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Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 19:36:44 - [1] - Quote CCP not to store any kind of data on C:/ ..... AppData... or anywhere on C, unless installation dir.. I had to backup C from image and ofc, lost **** load of settings I made meanwhile.. That's rude...
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1834	Posted - 2016.12.12 19:40:28 - [2] - Quote Like 99% of modern games have their settings and saves on the C: drive. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 19:55:01 - [3] - Quote Some save in MyDocuments folder (which is not on my C)
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 38	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:01:08 - [4] - Quote How rude of CCP not to have the game designed for your specific data storage setup. I mean they should have it tailored specifically to you rather than using a default that is standard pretty much everywhere. If only there was some way you could have specified the file location. Maybe during game installation or something.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony Mordus Angels 908	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:08:24 - [5] - Quote Actually, [Users]/AppData is the standard... C:/ is not. Don't know which one was the first version, but Windows no longer allows saving data in Program Files; ergo, some developers took their entire directory out of that structure (foregoing the original intent), and some opted for Installer services with sufficient rights to do so, storing their data in [Users] where they are allowed to save files. The first is clean from a developer's point of view, and chooses to not get involved with ever-changing OS policies. The second is clean (for now) but requires yet another nasty service. This is a direct result of MicroSoft policy. Complain there.
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1222	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:12:59 - [6] - Quote AppData exists specifically to store logs, settings, modifications, plugins and so on for a specific user on your system. Windows is a multi user OS after all. That way, each user who logs in to your machine will have access to their specific setup, and only theirs. So it's not surprising that CCP are using it to do exactly that. If you don't want your apps and games to store stuff on C:, just move your Documents folder, My Games folder and so on as well as AppData to a different drive. Google it if you don't know how. Alternatively, you can also have Windows store your whole user profile on a different drive, if you so wish.
Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:31:07 - [7] - Quote Yes, I know what AppData serves for. I am developer and for the last 15 years, no one in the right mind ever use Window's everchanging ways to do things. Just because of things like this, and because it is everchanging.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony Mordus Angels 909	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:45:43 - [8] - Quote So ... what exactly is your request then? You want CCP to not follow MS Standard, and implement their own storage? Or you wish you had configured your PC appropriately but didn't and now feel the need to vent frustration? Either way, I feel your pain. Been coding for 25 years myself, can't even write my own registry keys anymore without "admin permission" FFFFUUUU
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1225	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:53:32 - [9] - Quote Hmhm, AppData has been around since Windows Vista, hasn't it? What has changed about it so significantly since then?
Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:53:41 - [10] - Quote Yes, this is exactly what I suggest. If I can choose where to store cache, why not where would I keep settings? And settings about storing settings can be in simple text file NAME=VALUE base in exe dir.

Sol epoch HELVEGEN Jetpack Viking 387	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:56:19 - [11] - Quote Voxin Tulon wrote: Yes, I know what AppData serves for. I am developer and for the last 15 years, no one in the right mind ever use Window's everchanging ways to do things. Just because of things like this, and because it is everchanging. You did!
Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:57:12 - [12] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: Voxin Tulon wrote: Yes, I know what AppData serves for. I am developer and for the last 15 years, no one in the right mind ever use Window's everchanging ways to do things. Just because of things like this, and because it is everchanging. You did! I did what?
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Jetpack Viking 387	Posted - 2016.12.12 20:59:12 - [13] - Quote Voxin Tulon wrote: Sol epoch wrote: Voxin Tulon wrote: Yes, I know what AppData serves for. I am developer and for the last 15 years, no one in the right mind ever use Window's everchanging ways to do things. Just because of things like this, and because it is everchanging. You did! I did what? for the last 15 years, no one in the right mind ever use Window's everchanging ways to do things.
Voxin Tulon EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2016.12.12 21:01:38 - [14] - Quote No, I didn't. Any of the software I designed when windows breaks, reinstall it, and if you kept app, just run it and it works.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony Mordus Angels 910	Posted - 2016.12.12 21:25:55 - [15] - Quote My customers complained when I didn't. So I made both work. Then they complained it was too complex to configure properly, so in the end I still wound up configuring it for them- same as before. The morale? Users complain. Next topic?
Another Posting Alt Zerious Fricken Biziness 201	Posted - 2016.12.12 21:59:04 - [16] - Quote Claims to be a developer. Doesn't have backups.
Nalia White Tencus 242	Posted - 2016.12.12 22:24:25 - [17] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: My customers complained when I didn't. So I made both work. Then they complained it was too complex to configure properly, so in the end I still wound up configuring it for them- same as before. The morale? Users complain. Next topic? I understand... Believe me :)
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1496	Posted - 2016.12.13 00:22:21 - [18] - Quote Another Posting Alt wrote: Claims to be a developer. Doesn't have backups. In my experience, developers are some of the worst people at backing up their own stuff. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1290	Posted - 2016.12.13 01:46:10 - [19] - Quote If you had to restore your C from a backup, why didn't you have your settings backed up too? Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony Mordus Angels 913	Posted - 2016.12.13 03:22:33 - [20] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: If you had to restore your C from a backup, why didn't you have your settings backed up too? AHA! Asking the real questions But ..... guilty as charged. I don't have an automated backup solution either. Couple of directory dumps on an external drive and an outdated piece of paper laying bob-knows-where containing passwords. I'd be fukkd too. #LivingDangerously #OneDoesNotSimplyBackupHomebrewKernel

Glathull Warlock Assassins 1273	Posted - 2016.12.13 07:59:06 - [21] - Quote Voxin Tulon wrote: No, I didn't. Any of the software I designed when windows breaks, reinstall it, and if you kept app, just run it and it works. May I ask what magical place you install stuff where things don't go missing when you wipe your c: drive? If there's a place you can reliably put stuff that isn't C:/ I would really like to know about it. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Iain Cariaba 3367	Posted - 2016.12.13 08:07:03 - [22] - Quote Voxin Tulon wrote: Some save in MyDocuments folder (which is not on my C) Um... yeah, it is. To find your My Documents folder, the full path is c:\users\[username]\documents. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 383	Posted - 2016.12.13 08:13:11 - [23] - Quote Long time ago CCP did store some files on C:\ , and that file was called 'boot.ini' XD Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3284	Posted - 2016.12.13 08:25:26 - [24] - Quote Just make sure you don't have a C: drive. Visit the Linux forums to find out how. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Cedille Mureau Institute of Archaeology 11	Posted - 2016.12.13 08:30:58 - [25] - Quote Voxin Tulon wrote: CCP not to store any kind of data on C:/ I thought that the syntax was C:\ Not sure though, I haven't used Windows in years. OP must be using too much Unix.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1499	Posted - 2016.12.13 08:49:30 - [26] - Quote Toobo wrote: Long time ago CCP did store some files on C:\ , and that file was called 'boot.ini' XD Too soon man. Too soon. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Another Posting Alt Zerious Fricken Biziness 203	Posted - 2016.12.13 09:10:42 - [27] - Quote Cedille Mureau wrote: Voxin Tulon wrote: CCP not to store any kind of data on C:/ I thought that the syntax was C:\ No wonder he lost it.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8324	Posted - 2016.12.13 09:28:45 - [28] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Just make sure you don't have a C: drive. Visit the Linux forums to find out how. Ah Linux, the only proven cure for Windows. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1232	Posted - 2016.12.13 09:40:28 - [29] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Voxin Tulon wrote: Some save in MyDocuments folder (which is not on my C) Um... yeah, it is. To find your My Documents folder, the full path is c:\users\[username]\documents. Right click the My Documents folder -> Properties -> Location -> move it to wherever you want. It's magic! The link will stay in C:\Users\... but the files will actually be stored wherever you want them to. Same goes for about everything else in your user folder, including AppData. It's just the default location Windows assigns to them, but that doesn't mean they need to stay there. If not in the system users home folder, where else would the Eve client store personal data such as logins and user profiles? If it just stored them in the app folder itself, it would mean that every user on the system could access them. It's just an internet spaceship game, and most gamers don't share their system, so it's not all that important, but it's still good practice to store things that only one user is supposed to have access to inside that one users home folder. The same happens on unixoids too, so it's not a Windows specific practice either. If as a developer you don't do that because it's more convenient for your users or yourself, that's all fine and dandy, however you are ignoring the fact that the Windows home desktop line has been a proper multi user OS ever since XP, and you are introducing an unnecessary privacy/security risk. Now, what the client puts there aren't technically documents, so they wouldn't go to "My Documents". They are settings for a game so they could arguably go into "My Games", but really, that's a folder that's awfully specific. In the end, the Eve client is an application, and I don't see a reason for it to not store its user specific application data in the users "AppData" folder. It's not CCPs fault that OP apparently was smart enough to move "My Documents", but overlooked "AppData". He probably lost all kinds of application specific settings that way as well besides Eves, because Eve is nowhere near the only application that stores its settings there.


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