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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
1986
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Posted - 2016.12.13 19:23:01 -
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Fek Mercer wrote:You're an alpha, exploring out in nullsec in your frigate, the most you can fly with with your meagre income. Your wits have kept you safe thus far, away from nasty tech II frigate and destroyers.
You go through a gate and into what? there's a sabre waiting on the other side, and out pops the interdiction sphere. What now? You can run back to the gate... but the sabre follows and drops another sphere.
Let's say sabre will be fast enough. Then you both 12km off the gates, and sabre might be too far to even reach you with bubble. Burn back to gates again and then you are free: sabre won't catch MWD frigate in any case. In general: burn back to gates with MWD is like 99% of success for frigates.
Fek Mercer wrote: you can activate you micro warp drives and align to a planet... but the sabre follows, and drop another sphere. One. every. five. seconds.
5 seconds after sabre is like 20+km from you and you are free to go. (Again: sabre won't catch frigate with MWD)
Fek Mercer wrote: Now he's got you with a warp disruptor and you can't even use your micro warp drive.
Warp disruptor does not stop MWD. It can be done with scrambler and scrambler has very low range (<10km). You must be very unlucky to get caught by sabre with scrambler.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
1253
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Posted - 2016.12.13 19:53:45 -
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It could be a faction scrambler, used to increase range. |
DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2916
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:51:05 -
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use the covert ops trip. if your going to null fit whatever cloak an alpha can fit (i think they can use a protype, i'm not home so idk.)
fit a mwd.
Jump through gate.
Bubble goes up
take a deep breath, and quickly pick a spot in space, double click, turn on mwd, turn on cloak.
if your fast enough that one cycle of the mwd will push you far enough away that when you slow down they might not find you. best to try and change directions after you slow, but as dory says 'just keep swiming' just keep moving away. Eventually he will give up or you will get way out of his range, you can then align, decloak and warp off.
other things.
1) shoot the ****** dead
2) make some friends, and then shoot the ****** dead
3) don;t go to null
4) run, and when that fails.. shoot the ****** dead.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
1253
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Posted - 2016.12.13 21:03:17 -
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DaReaper wrote:use the covert ops trip. if your going to null fit whatever cloak an alpha can fit (i think they can use a protype, i'm not home so idk.)
fit a mwd.
Jump through gate.
Bubble goes up
take a deep breath, and quickly pick a spot in space, double click, turn on mwd, turn on cloak.
if your fast enough that one cycle of the mwd will push you far enough away that when you slow down they might not find you. best to try and change directions after you slow, but as dory says 'just keep swiming' just keep moving away. Eventually he will give up or you will get way out of his range, you can then align, decloak and warp off.
other things.
1) shoot the ****** dead
2) make some friends, and then shoot the ****** dead
3) don;t go to null
4) run, and when that fails.. shoot the ****** dead.
Alphas cannot use cloaks at all.
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Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
59875
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Posted - 2016.12.13 21:23:54 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote: Kill the sabre. Pod him in his own bubble. Collect his corpse.
Ah, the good old Rohrschach maneuver. I like that.
One further thing to consider for OP: those warp disrupt probes aren't exactly cheap, they cost around 200-300k isk each. So if you were flying a cheap t1 frig, chances are you already won the isk war by the time he launched the third probe. Not very satisfying, I know, but if it makes you feel better, you could consider it a pvp victory for you.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:10:16 -
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Pretty sad a ship can drop a bubble on a gate stopping all traffic on that gate and it isn't considered agro at all.
It is one thing if it was a drag bubble but he is using a interdictor. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
261
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:30:22 -
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Okay so here's the thing.
Interdictors have one job. That job is to bubble all the things ever.
They're generally weaker in combat than similarly sized ships because of this (thought not useless by any means)
Now, you're flying through gates in null. It is a very real possibility that there could be a sabre behind the next gate, or 20 dudes in smart bombing battleships and a deployable bubble. Bubbles are, for non-residents, the primary difference between losec and null.
You DO have the tools to avoid them though!
Firstly, your starmap. It has filters. One of which is "pilots in space in the last 30 minutes" Once you plot a course to wherever you want to be, turn that on and look LOOK at the systems it is directing you through. If somebody is gatecamping (like your sabre) thay're going to add +1 to that count. If someone is patrolling up and down a chain of systems, they're going to add a lot to a lot of systems.
Since you're invading null for whatever reason (I'm assuming exploration) you're looking for "dark" systems, or systems with no pilots in space in the last 30 minutes. If you can reroute your travel path through nothing but dark systems, great. if you can't, at least attempt to avoid the most obvious choke points. If there's only one way in to or out of an area of space, and it has anyone in it, assume it is camped at all times. It's probably not camped at all times, but in most cases it is at least gate bubbled at all times.
However, if you ARE exploring one wonders why you're taking gates in to null in the first place. You have a probe scanner. Scan down wormholes. You'll find more signatures and its easier to avoid hostiles.
Finally, if you're trying to run away from people and warp off you may want to consider an afterburner in stead of a MWD. You can use the AB even when scrambled to try and break range, and unlike the MWD it doesn't bloom your sig size. I'm not sure if anyone explained this to you, but microwarp drives increase your signature radius significantly when you use them. Bigger sig makes it easier to get a lock on you, and easier to hit you with weapons, meaning your MWD is generally only useful if you can use it to get out of targeting or effective weapons range of the other guy without getting melted by his guns in the process.
An Afterburner may be slower, but it also makes you actually harder to hit (assuming you don't pilot away in a straight line) by increasing your transversal velocity (or just your velocity in the case of missiles) and in many cases on a frig is quite fast, often fast enough to get you out of a bubble before the guy in it can shoot you up. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:57:19 -
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Except
Targeting someone with a warp scrambler (1 person) = you are not allowed to gate jump due to you aggroing
Interdiction bubble from interdictor (many people) = no agro yet instead of warp scrambling one person you can scramble literally groups of people and safely dock right back to your station like you did nothing
Difference in effect of warp scrambler and interdiction bubble = none
Amusing |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8357
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Posted - 2016.12.13 23:20:55 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Except
Targeting someone with a warp scrambler (1 person) = you are not allowed to gate jump due to you aggroing
Interdiction bubble from interdictor (many people) = no agro yet instead of warp scrambling one person you can scramble literally groups of people and safely dock right back to your station like you did nothing
Difference in effect of warp scrambler and interdiction bubble = none
Amusing
The bubble affects the sabre as well.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Iain Cariaba
3376
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Posted - 2016.12.14 00:07:54 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:meaningless elitism Who even are you? There was nothing adversarial in his OP at all. Frustration? Yes. Understandable frustration? Hell yes, you even admitted you understand it yourself. He wasn't having a go at the game though, or even the players that caught him. He actually asked, how do I handle that situation? But any excuse to shiptoast those 'beneath' you I guess. Let me tell you what I've learned about this guy so far, just from this thread. He wants to learn how to get better. Do you know what that means? It means he'll get better. People like you who think you already know it all and have nothing left to learn, you won't get better. You'll stagnate, and leave your old-person stank all over the forums like the ****** posts you've left on this thread so far. Leave the guy alone, or give him some real pointers. Sure, subscribing is a good idea, but it's not the only option. If you think it is, then you have a lot more to learn about this game than you probably want to admit. Which, I understand, is frustrating. I suggest actually reading the thread before spewing unimportant drivel. If you had, you'd have realized that I was the one that actually gave advice.
Double check and make sure you have Reading Comprehension queued up, you need to train another level.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8080
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Posted - 2016.12.14 08:36:25 -
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Fek Mercer wrote:You're an alpha, exploring out in nullsec in your frigate, the most you can fly with with your meagre income. Your wits have kept you safe thus far, away from nasty tech II frigate and destroyers.
You go through a gate and into what? there's a sabre waiting on the other side, and out pops the interdiction sphere. What now? You can run back to the gate... but the sabre follows and drops another sphere. you can activate you micro warp drives and align to a planet... but the sabre follows, and drop another sphere. One. every. five. seconds.
Now he's got you with a warp disruptor and you can't even use your micro warp drive. It's over. and for what? you went through a gate. spin the the wheel, oh it's a sabre. **** you. you're dead.
I would say the best thing you can do at this point and in the situation you are in would be these 2 things:
1. Be glad you are only using a frigate(and the ammo used on you would cost more than said frigate in some case) and 2. Be happy this is not costing you money.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
264
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Posted - 2016.12.14 10:36:24 -
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Would this work: burn back to the gate but don't jump. Don't aggress. When he uses some offensive mods you can jump but he can't because of the timer. Will only work on single opponents of cause and if you can tank the first volley. |
Bivk Dvtt
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.12.14 11:20:46 -
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Another Posting Alt wrote:OP has no friends.
You meant: OP has no alts |
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