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Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:25:47 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:But when you are setting up initially, how would you do it? Through the probes in the scanner window, or in the system map? Just a point of personal feedback on the UI in question: I see the scanner window as a list of information about probe status, and if you wanted to remove the option to resize probes from the scanner window, I wouldn't miss it. Clicking on probe edges in the system map works best for me. Its not clear which probe in the scanner list is connected to which probe in the system map.
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:29:13 -
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Can't currently respond with useful information right now, but could you sticky this thread so it's easier to find? I nearly missed it doing my morning check of the forums because it looked like an old thread someone had necro'd. |
James Duadoulin
modro
Swords of Damocles
2
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Posted - 2016.12.16 22:34:42 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Hey folks,
Team Psycho Sisters here with some questions.
1.Do you use custom probe formations when scanning?
2.What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible
3.Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations?
4.Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both?
We are asking because we would like to deal with the current state the scanning system is in where we have 2 systems and 1 is kind of in beta but not really but both systems have pros and cons and we are seeing about 50% usage across both of them.
Going off the feedback thread created by the CSM and the above reasons we have started taking a look at what needs to be done to address the primary player concerns, but we are also coming across areas of the feature that we do not have data on player usage such as, custom formations.
Please try and keep this focused on custom formations. We have gathered the other feedback from forums and other sources, but there are some gray areas we would like some more information from you all on.
So just custom formations for now, as required we will make new threads for other specific areas.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Team Psycho Sisters.
I love the new scanner interface even if it is only for the use of the short cut keys. they make things so much faster and smoother.
1. I have skills level 4 haven't maxed out pinpointing and time skills yet. I only ever use a custom formation for sleeper sites. typically at my skill level I can get them just by using control+mousewheel to tighten the formation up. and that is all I do to get them. of course if I were not scanning in a bonused ship with scanning rigs and virtue implants then I would have to do that more often.
so my custom formation to get sleeper sites is just an ever tightening ball of probes.
3 the only reason I do that is to up scan strength.
4 only explorer scanning I never combat scan much.
I think the current new scanning system is fine. but if you wanted to add in the ability to make your own custom formations and save it I'm sure some players would use it.
I think the thing that makes the most difference in scanning time for me (once you get max or nearly max skills) is the short cuts.
I typically can do a k-space system in 3-5 minutes depending on the number or sigs.
I never get in a hurry when I'm exploring unless someone is in local and I see probes out.
The other day a guy who was blue to me entered system at the same time as me and we both put out probes. I was already in the first relic site and half way done with it before he even warped in.
that's been my experience YMMV |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3165
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Posted - 2016.12.17 08:03:56 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Yes, I was using custom formations for faster results while I was not max skilled for all kind of sigs. The formation contains 4 narrow probes and 4 wide probes, pinpoint like but in a plane, 4xformation centered, overlapping and 2 steps apart (e.g. 2AU+8AU, or 4AU+16AU). Today I'm just lazy and use pinpoint 95% of the time (except Thera).
BTW: I'm not using the beta because: lack of probe handling accuracy (speed of probing), performance. Both are showstoppers and not some inconvenience. Interesting, will take a look. So how do you change the size of the probes in this example? Resizing the whole formation like with the standard ones, So I start with the 4AU+16AU (the actual saved preset), then resize to 2+8, and so on down (or skip one step). But when you are setting up initially, how would you do it? Through the probes in the scanner window, or in the system map?
What I did the first time iirc, I started the pinpoint formation with system map on fullscreen (I don't use the new scan interface, nor the new map), then set the size of the probes individually within the probe window (4 at 4AU + 4 at 16AU) and dragged them into position with mouse+keyboard in the map until satisfied, then saved this formation for further use. When scanning, I use the button to launch the custom formation, and the rest is mouse+keyboard like with the inbuilt formations. Does this answer your question?
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
682
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Posted - 2016.12.17 16:35:27 -
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Yes, I use an extremely tightly collected custom formation for signatures I cannot 100% at 0.25 AU.
While you're at it, can you make Pinpoint the default formation?
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
436
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Posted - 2016.12.19 04:06:46 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:While you're at it, can you make Pinpoint the default formation?
I rarely use the spread formation. Having the pinpoint as default would be very helpful.
I am a bit lazy in my scanning so I don't use custom formations. However, if I had a custom formation set up, adding it as a personal preset would be nice. Being able to share it, as with overview settings, would be doubly nice.
As an aside: the map icons for signatures really need to be brighter - beta needs the same brightness as in the traditional map.
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Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University
Ivy League
313
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Posted - 2016.12.19 15:12:46 -
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Wormhole dweller here.
First, I have to say that you'll have to pry the old map+scanner out of my cold, dead hands. I just can't stand the new ones. Although I apreciate that you try hard to improve them. I supose there's no evil in having both, and let everybody decide which one they like best.
Regarding custom probe formations... I just use the pin-point default one but with a range of 8 AU to begin with the scanning, then change to the premade pinpoint one and keep reducing the range. |
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
21
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:59:43 -
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It would be nice to be able to centre the probes around celestial with a right click centre.
I get when you are trying to probe down a site, there is no central large object so you should have to move them around yourself.
But say for example the SUN. (or a gate or a planet) Like come on we should be able to center the probes with a click or two around large celestials or indestructible objects, if its big enough to be on the map without probing it down we should be able to center around it with a click. If we can right click warp to it, why not center.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1530
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Posted - 2016.12.20 01:43:13 -
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My first formation for probing the system I am in is always 8AU pinpoint and then down in size and for combat probing I first use the 16AU spread, then go back to pinpoint.
I saw the new map once and found the off button an hour later, sorry.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
502
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Posted - 2016.12.20 11:52:20 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:Hey folks,
Team Psycho Sisters here with some questions.
1.Do you use custom probe formations when scanning?
2.What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible
3.Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations?
4.Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both?
We are asking because we would like to deal with the current state the scanning system is in where we have 2 systems and 1 is kind of in beta but not really but both systems have pros and cons and we are seeing about 50% usage across both of them.
Going off the feedback thread created by the CSM and the above reasons we have started taking a look at what needs to be done to address the primary player concerns, but we are also coming across areas of the feature that we do not have data on player usage such as, custom formations.
Please try and keep this focused on custom formations. We have gathered the other feedback from forums and other sources, but there are some gray areas we would like some more information from you all on.
So just custom formations for now, as required we will make new threads for other specific areas.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Team Psycho Sisters.
1. Yes, but I only have like 1-2 I use over and over again. Sometimes I still use the default options, though.
2. They're like the default options, just with some probes moved or AU-range adjusted for my comfort.
3. Comfort. (Sometimes I still use the defaults!)
4. Both. |
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34589
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Posted - 2016.12.21 19:43:52 -
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I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map.
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Aurora Athonille
Athonille Logistics and Provisions
0
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Posted - 2016.12.21 21:09:10 -
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Reading this thread I find myself wondering if anyone else is using the Alt key + mouse wheel to control the scanning radius of their probes...
As for the question at hand, I have just used the default pinpoint formation since it was introduced. I did other things before, but never bothered to build my own custom formation since then. Guess I'm just too lazy. I probably should at least try it out and come back with more constructive comments.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2995
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Posted - 2016.12.21 23:10:11 -
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Before probe formations were introduced, I would always scan with just 4 probes arranged in a diagonally-canted horizontal square (aka diamond) formation. The only advantage to using more probes seems to be when you're not sure of the target's location. At lower skills, it's especially tricky to determine where the object is, but with a bit of deductive reasoning combined with an understanding of how the probe results work, one can determine how to move the probes such that the location is hit by all 4 probes, thus giving a maximum accuracy result and allowing you to scan at a lower radius.
I feel that the built-in formations should be adequate yet sub-optimal. There should be some (small) benefit to a player who manipulates the probes manually, which should be especially important to characters with lower skillpoints in scanning skills.
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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
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Posted - 2016.12.22 13:48:40 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map.
Was saying the same thing. We dont need to make it overly easy, but for large warpable objects we should be able to do this.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2995
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Posted - 2016.12.22 14:39:27 -
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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I use the poinpoint formation. I'd love a snap-to behavior that centers the probe formation on something I select, either a line item in the scan results or an icon on the map. Was saying the same thing. We dont need to make it overly easy, but for large warpable objects we should be able to do this.
Howabout a center control arrow-box that is simply connected to your formation and can be moved to move all your probes at once?
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University
Ivy League
266
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Posted - 2016.12.22 18:24:05 -
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When you are upgrading the probe system could you introduce a new rig "SD card reader" where you can safe scan results. Even if the results are saved locally for 6h it would be a big improvement. |
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
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Posted - 2016.12.23 14:00:58 -
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edit: removed misunderstood a post. |
Eldeni
Kurwidolek Eldeniego
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:29:36 -
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Hi, im WH dweller for over 5 years and a scanner:
95% i use pinpoint, 4% spread, 1% custom - with custom is just the pinpoint but more narrow if one of my alts cant scan to 100%, sometimes i use cube or anyother just for fun and expermineting. I never use custom in combat scanning, too much time it is needed, custom only in exploration.
About the new and the old - i use old. Tried several times the new, but its slower than the old one. I need less shinny and more useful tool. From what i know from my former copr scanners where using only the old system. Saddly WH life is slowly deing.
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CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
403
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Posted - 2017.01.02 10:45:22 -
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Hey folks,
Thanks for all the feedback so far, just catching up on it all now after some Christmas vacation.
Quality Assurance Analyst
Team Psycho Sisters
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uhnboy ghost
retard hills
85
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:28:43 -
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1. Do you use custom probe formations when scanning?
for almoste all combat sites i use the pinpoint but for combatprobing hard to scan ships and mtus and the the superior sleeper cache data site i use a custom "cube" to get the last 2%
2. What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible
http://i.imgur.com/EKKF3KT.png the "cube" i use
3. Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations?
to get the last 1-5% on realy hard to hit sites/ships, but the standard ccp made pinpoint is realy good from the start
4. Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both?
see 1.
on a side note, i scan ALOT everyday and still use the old probe window etc in the new one i just cant see anything, BUT the new d-scan is amasing so i have tryed to force my self to use it but its so hard to see what sig you scanning etc, whit the small lines and not all of the sig filled up like the old one, and having to use the new map whit the new scan window.
so i always give up and go back to the old one
//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2802
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Posted - 2017.01.03 14:42:23 -
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I use pinpoint formation for almost everything, custom formation to nail down particularly hard scans. If I need to cover a wider area to establish a rough position, I'll just use a larger pinpoint formation instead of a spread formation.
I've found that EvE is far too three dimensional to justify using a two dimensional scan pattern.
Suggestion: rename pinpoint formation to something along the lines of "spherical formation". It would still be descriptive and it wouldn't imply that it isn't effective at broad volume searches.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.03 16:44:32 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I use pinpoint formation for almost everything, custom formation to nail down particularly hard scans. If I need to cover a wider area to establish a rough position, I'll just use a larger pinpoint formation instead of a spread formation.
Same here. I avoid spread formation not because I don't spread my probes out, but because the spread formation just isn't a very good formation. One of the ways I ever use a custom formation is to make a custom spread formation, which is a bit flatter than pinpoint but mostly just overlapping less.
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Danbert
Running with Dogs
Stella Nova
8
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Posted - 2017.01.03 20:00:01 -
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1.Yes
2.Super tight Pin Point formation.
3.Gives a slight improvment on scan strength, sometimes required to get that last few % on a difficult sig.
4.Usually only when exploring. |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2017.01.04 01:42:19 -
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I use cube custom formation with two presets as far as sphere distances and sizes go (though I scan rarely these days). Other than that I change range/distances on the fly as needed
I once experimented (shortly) with 2 tertahedrons to do 2 signatures at the same time but .... that was one giant PITA, as the interface is not exactly friendly towards treating them as 2 separate groups. The idea behind it was to use the scan-strength-power-creep for something useful but .... yea.
That brings me to ....
.... not that a custom formation is that much different in practice from predefined formations - sadly the whole scanning "game" has been rather dumbed down since the initial introduction, mixed with aforementioned power-creep boosting on top of everything - so you can handle any signature with nearly anything with main difference being like what - one more step ?
TBH, would be nice to go [back] to no-predefined formations / skills determine amount of probes times.
On a related not, can we please get damn checkbox to turn off damn, irritating, frustrating and now pointless bubble grabbing; as we have have 3 - three ! - other ways to do so) ? For crying out loud, you had good thing going for a moment on SiSi.
Same goes for few other suggestions that were diligently ignored when the threads about probe maps were active.
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Nuhrp
The Ascended Refugees
1
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Posted - 2017.01.06 01:22:47 -
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Hello.
I am an extensive user and use custom formations. Related suggestion.
Choosing from the menu of what to see on the new map is difficult; believe it ro not - too many unused choices in my opinion. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.06 04:04:10 -
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I have an idea: remove the two default probe formations, put in a basic mediocre formation that lazy people can go to, and allow players to create and save their own probe formations for future use, and allow sharing of probe formation setups.
Don't bother making a good formation for us. Let us make them for ourselves. That's the kind of game this is.
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CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
405
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Posted - 2017.01.06 11:32:55 -
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Hey folks,
Thanks for all the feedback.
Your replies have been great and really interesting to see how people use them. Going to close this thread now as I think we have enough information.
Quality Assurance Analyst
Team Psycho Sisters
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