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Almarez
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:06:00 -
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All,
I follow the territorial map and have seen some massive shifts as of late. Can anyone please tell me how accurate it is. I have also seen the influence map, but that one doesn't make much sense to me. Any thoughts?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:13:00 -
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How does the influence map not make much sense?
Its just an automated map based on sovereignty. Its pretty accurate from what I've seen, and doesn't need to be manually updated.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:16:00 -
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Yeah, the influence map is the one I look at, personally
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
How does the influence map not make much sense?
Its just an automated map based on sovereignty. Its pretty accurate from what I've seen, and doesn't need to be manually updated.
Okay, I guess I have heard someone mention that before. But the thing is that having sovereignty doesn't mean you "control" that space. I guess that is what I am trying to understand. Is all that blue true?
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:21:00 -
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I hope you aren't looking at Josh's map.
(if you are look closely at lower right)
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Schnuur
Gallente
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:23:00 -
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Think the influence map is pretty accurate - think it is totally unbiased (if that is possible)
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Schnuur
Gallente
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:26:00 -
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And kudos to Mister creator - that and EveMon is to best noncommercial programs
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
I hope you aren't looking at Josh's map.
(if you are look closely at lower right)
Don't I feel like an arse. Thank you. 
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:45:00 -
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How can the influence map not make sense to you? 
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Jebidus Skari
Amarr
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:48:00 -
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I like the influence map for no other reason than it's very pretty 
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Lasakywa
Caldari
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:03:00 -
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UNL Influence Map is just the best map !
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BossNova
Guiding Star Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: BossNova on 09/04/2007 19:22:27
Um, it's very easy to have trouble understanding the influence map. What color a particular pixel is depends on the inverse of the square distance from all claimed systems. It also depends on the sovereignty of all systems it's connected to, no matter the distance. It's difficult to grasp that Jita is influenced by BOB's sovereignty in JV1V, for example, but it is.
It is rather interesting, but I would personally prefer influence to only be defined at systems rather than at every pixel of the map. Influence then would spread through jumps only. Space would still be colored to facilitate visuals though: simply put a buffer around each system to be colored whatever the neighboring systems' sovereign alliance is colored. If multiple alliances contest the neighbors, color the buffer a mixture (background plus shaded lines).
One question that I have, for example, is whether this UNL influence map's calculation of distance is 2D or 3D. The galaxy is actually three-dimensional, and as we all know, because flattening the map distorts certain distances relative to others, is that taken into account when calculating inverse-square distances?
Edit: One thing I don't think most people realize about the influence map: It displays an arbitrary thing called influence, not sovereignty. So for example, BOB could have sovereignty in a Fade system and still not get a piece of blue on that part of the map because of the proximity of D2 sovereign systems. It's like Civ4's cultural borders, except the city is in this case the system, and therefore a tiny, tiny dot whose color nobody notices.
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Tercano Nuruva
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tercano Nuruva on 09/04/2007 19:35:24
BossNova, your question, and several other useful tidbits, are available in the discussion thread for the map in question. There is a link to that thread near the link to the map.
It is well worth reading (even through all the crud), and it describes exactly what it does and doesn't show, including (mostly) how it does it.
Joshua's map is nice, showing political borders and warzones (Update it already!), and the Influence map is updated more often, impartial and accurate (discussions regarding 2D/3D space aside).
It would be well worth using both maps at all times.
EDIT: Spelt your name wrong, sorry about that
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Tercano Nuruva
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tercano Nuruva on 09/04/2007 19:35:24
BossNova, your question, and several other useful tidbits, are available in the discussion thread for the map in question. There is a link to that thread near the link to the map.
It is well worth reading (even through all the crud), and it describes exactly what it does and doesn't show, including (mostly) how it does it.
Joshua's map is nice, showing political borders and warzones (Update it already!), and the Influence map is updated more often, impartial and accurate (discussions regarding 2D/3D space aside).
It would be well worth using both maps at all times.
EDIT: Spelt your name wrong, sorry about that
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Garrett Smith
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:48:00 -
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eve influence map is awesome
Originally by: El Yatta
they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn". |
Garrett Smith
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:48:00 -
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eve influence map is awesome
Originally by: El Yatta
they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn". |
Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:40:00 -
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At first I was put off by the EVE Influence Map, I thought it looked a bit rubbish.
However, I am pleased to say its the only map I check, accruate (as accurate as possible anyway) and updated regually. It gets my stamp of approval.
* Man I need to check my spelling *
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:49:00 -
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Stupid question, but didn't we have three maps? Josh, Influence and one of the goons?
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Dokter
Stupid question, but didn't we have three maps? Josh, Influence and one of the goons?
Goon guy "took a break" or something. Said another goon will take over but doesn't seem to have happened.
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: The Dokter
Stupid question, but didn't we have three maps? Josh, Influence and one of the goons?
Goon guy "took a break" or something. Said another goon will take over but doesn't seem to have happened.
Oke, tnx didn't know that 
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TheHumanity
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:51:00 -
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Josh's map is currently worthless.
Not only did he get his April Fool's joke a week late, he left it up 
He couldn't have failed at more if he'd been on Pop Idol.
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: TheHumanity
Josh's map is currently worthless.
Not only did he get his April Fool's joke a week late, he left it up
He couldn't have failed at more if he'd been on Pop Idol.
DO IT YOURSELF THEN
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: TheHumanity
Josh's map is currently worthless.
Not only did he get his April Fool's joke a week late, he left it up
He couldn't have failed at more if he'd been on Pop Idol.
1) April fools edition on April fools would be too obvious.
2) If you take it down people cant see it.
3) People are still falling for it
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