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Avio Yaken Sanxing 2249	Posted - 2016.12.18 11:49:56 - [1] - Quote So Diana recently challenged another pilot... I would like to remind all of the IGS that Diana Kim never refused or accepted a challange I purposed several months ago I'mean calling you out Diana. If someone didn't respond t9 your request within a ***** WEEK you would be screaming that they are a coward and have no honor. I waited several months but now I'm getting pretty tired. I'm giving Diana till the end of the current festive holiday to accept my challange. Otherwise I want the IGS to know that Diana Kim is a spinless coward who's too scared for a fair fight of lyrical power. There's no room on this table for another gauntlet Diana, either you put up or shut the up, got it? If you so much as try to renegotiate once or Dodge my challange, I will consider that rejection, thus you will have backed down from a challange, backing down from dueling me.** I'm not playing your games anymore. Yes or No Diana. Do you accept or will you run and hide from my challange? I'm waiting Diana, got till the 25th (.___________________________________________.)/
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2678	Posted - 2016.12.18 12:46:45 - [2] - Quote You know, while I really do wish you luck in getting her to accept your terms, reading through the older thread, I have to admit that she's right about one salient point: by the traditional rules of duelling etiquette, the challenger calls for the duel, and the challenged party gets their choice of weapons. Perhaps you should encourage the next person she challenges to choose 'battle raps'? She would, after all, be honor-bound to accept that choice.
Jason Galente SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1028	Posted - 2016.12.18 13:14:32 - [3] - Quote TL;DR! Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2681	Posted - 2016.12.18 13:18:50 - [4] - Quote I admit, I so very much thought that was going to be Diana saying 'And this is why Jason Galente must be destroyed.'
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2253	Posted - 2016.12.18 13:25:19 - [5] - Quote Arrendis wrote: You know, while I really do wish you luck in getting her to accept your terms, reading through the older thread, I have to admit that she's right about one salient point: by the traditional rules of duelling etiquette, the challenger calls for the duel, and the challenged party gets their choice of weapons. Perhaps you should encourage the next person she challenges to choose 'battle raps'? She would, after all, be honor-bound to accept that choice. Ok i won't deny that your point is fair. But first she would have to challenge someone who would have the guts to purpose a rap battle. I do, so I just figured i make it easier and put the challenge out that i challenge her to a battle..but its a rap battle. (.___________________________________________.)/
Sinjin Mokk Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 1059	Posted - 2016.12.18 14:45:33 - [6] - Quote While it would be beneath me to proffer or accept a challenge from her, I have invited her openly to visit . She refused, claiming 7RM-N0 was "too far" (18 jumps from her usual base of operations). She won't accept your challenge unless she can arrange it so that she has every tactical advantage over you. While this is clever of a pilot, don't confuse her claims of honor as being actual. At the end of the day, she's as dedicated to ganking an unaware pilot as anyone else. And having just lost one duel, I sincerely doubt she's up for losing another one so quickly. But good luck. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative 380	Posted - 2016.12.18 14:50:24 - [7] - Quote Two and a half years ago, nineteen separate threats were delivered to me, specifically, before I simply removed the jingoistic foolishness from my console. Not one was ever acted upon, even on the occasion we met in person. You're wasting your time. "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Wren Villeneuve University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.12.18 15:37:47 - [8] - Quote Arrendis wrote: You know, while I really do wish you luck in getting her to accept your terms, reading through the older thread, I have to admit that she's right about one salient point: by the traditional rules of duelling etiquette, the challenger calls for the duel, and the challenged party gets their choice of weapons. Perhaps you should encourage the next person she challenges to choose 'battle raps'? She would, after all, be honor-bound to accept that choice. Fun fact, she doesn't honor that either. She challenged me, and then got upset when I chose poetry as the weapon of choice.
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative 382	Posted - 2016.12.18 17:22:07 - [9] - Quote Wren Villeneuve wrote: Arrendis wrote: You know, while I really do wish you luck in getting her to accept your terms, reading through the older thread, I have to admit that she's right about one salient point: by the traditional rules of duelling etiquette, the challenger calls for the duel, and the challenged party gets their choice of weapons. Perhaps you should encourage the next person she challenges to choose 'battle raps'? She would, after all, be honor-bound to accept that choice. Fun fact, she doesn't honor that either. She challenged me, and then got upset when I chose poetry as the weapon of choice. I saw your half of it, at least. I should chide you for attacking the unarmed in a battle of wits, but honestly, it was too amusing. "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 787	Posted - 2016.12.19 07:49:11 - [10] - Quote I challenged Miss Kim to a duel recently and it was super fun! It took no time at all to set up, I had to do a bit of travelling but it was worth it! All I had to do was ask politely and not throw a tantrum. Now, this might sound shocking, but more often than not, ace piltots have a lot going on their plates to just drop everything and move accross half the cluster just to satisfy someone's bruised ego. A common theme I've noticed from some frustrated challengers like Mister Yaken, is that they make no effort in discussing and arrange a time and date that's convinient to both duelists! Some even asked Miss Kim to meet them inside a wormhole! With an entrance in Nullsec! Of course huffing and stomping on IGS is preferable than making a compromise to a duel. After all, if Miss Kim can't duel them, it obviously mean she is a coward, right? Moral victory!

Avio Yaken Sanxing 2260	Posted - 2016.12.19 12:11:57 - [11] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Of course huffing and stomping on IGS is preferable than making a compromise to a duel. After all, if Miss Kim can't duel them, it obviously mean she is a coward, right? Moral victory! Her compromise is "fight me with ships" like every single ******* duel she's ever done. What's the point of my challange if I'm just gonna to her change all my terms to her terms? I'm challenging her to a duel both outside our normal activities. While not one of blades it's still a battle. Forgive me if this is also a "tantrum" but as stated before I been waiting VERY patiently and now I'm tired. I'm serious about this challange, I want a official response to this challange before the year is out. (.___________________________________________.)/
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 788	Posted - 2016.12.19 12:59:53 - [12] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Her compromise is "fight me with ships" like Oh, I'm sorry Mister Yaken. I thought the issue was the Miss Kim didn't had the availability to attend to a duel at your convenience, and made my reply based on that assumption. But this begs the question. Why would a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1779	Posted - 2016.12.19 13:05:58 - [13] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Her compromise is "fight me with ships" like Oh, I'm sorry Mister Yaken. I thought the issue was the Miss Kim didn't had the availability to attend to a duel at your convenience, and made my reply based on that assumption. But this begs the question. Why would a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat? Well, why won't a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 790	Posted - 2016.12.19 13:24:52 - [14] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Well, why won't a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat? Because swords and guns gives you ouchies and boo boos, and rap battles are downright silly.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1779	Posted - 2016.12.19 13:32:50 - [15] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Well, why won't a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat? Because swords and guns gives you ouchies and boo boos, and rap battles are downright silly. That's, like, your opinion man. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2261	Posted - 2016.12.19 13:36:07 - [16] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: But this begs the question. Why would a capsuleer ever duel someone in anything outside the sphere of spaceship combat? This is not about being a Capsuleer in a duel. But being a WARRIOR in a duel. A warrior of multiple skills. Ships, Firearms, blades, and microphones. I seek to test Diana Kim's skill at the microphones because lets admit it ladies and gentle men. Diana Kim likes to fight with her words a lot too. So lets make a duel out of it. (.___________________________________________.)/
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2691	Posted - 2016.12.19 13:36:34 - [17] - Quote Consider your own statement there: you had to do a bit of traveling to duel her. How far? She won't go 18j to duel Mokk. I'm quite certain if she suggested they meed in X-70, only a few jumps from him and controlled by neutral parties so she can come in with a stealth bomber, dock, fit up a proper duelling ship, and meet him at a point in-system, he'd agree.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9003	Posted - 2016.12.19 19:46:21 - [18] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Of course huffing and stomping on IGS is preferable than making a compromise to a duel. After all, if Miss Kim can't duel them, it obviously mean she is a coward, right? Moral victory! Ms. Ruil, with respect, Ms. Kim doesn't really want compromise. She wants pilots to bend to her whims. She expects all other pilots to travel to the warzone, and to fight her in her style, instead of occasionally compromising and doing as would be convenient to others. Compromise, as they say, is a two-way street. It's all well and good that she's a combat pilot with other matters to attend to. If, however, those matters are so important that she can't be taken away from them, why does she scream herself apoplectic when others don't bend to her will? What if they, too, have matters that demand their time and focus, that can't be left on a whim? Does she begin from a position of assuming herself superior, and her time more valuable? Clearly, if she can't be bothered to travel even twenty minutes for a duel, how could she consider it important, or even worth the time for a challenge? The duel itself must not be-- excepting that it provides her an excuse to metaphorically defecate on anyone who doesn't let her lord over them. Consider, if you will, how Funk treated you when you weren't her perfect pawn; this other example, while somewhat tenuous, is how Kim behaves toward those who don't inhabit her world of honorable spaceship duels, where the only worthy act is blowing up frigates in her metaphorical back yard. Yaken-haan's objective here is simple: make it clear what a farce Kim's notion of honor is. She has refused duels numerous times on a whim, because it's inconvenient, because she isn't as well-equipped in the challenge, because she prefers to yell. She parades herself around as the epitome of honor, as a singular, shining example of the dutiful Caldari officer, such that to insult her is to treasonously insult the State and the honor of its naval uniform. Essentially, the point is that Kim's is a hollow mimicry of honor, that her self-declared reputation is a sham. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1932	Posted - 2016.12.19 20:08:22 - [19] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Now, this might sound shocking, but more often than not, ace piltots have a lot going on their plates to just drop everything and move accross half the cluster just to satisfy someone's bruised ego. I want you to think very carefully about this statement, and figure out why your picks for the parties indicated within are entirely backwards. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium Owner, The Golden Masque
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 791	Posted - 2016.12.19 20:34:24 - [20] - Quote With all due respect, most of my views on Miss Kim are grounded on hero worship.

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2694	Posted - 2016.12.19 20:36:26 - [21] - Quote . . . I can only applaud what has to be a very well-executed trolling.
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 791	Posted - 2016.12.19 20:41:22 - [22] - Quote Arrendis wrote: . . . I can only applaud what has to be a very well-executed trolling. Calling Mister Yaken a troll is absolutely uncalled for!
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9006	Posted - 2016.12.19 23:55:17 - [23] - Quote Arrendis wrote: . . . I can only applaud what has to be a very well-executed trolling. What can I say? Ruil's usually just so earnest and adorable you can't help but pinch her cheek and tell her why she's wrong! (that, and sometimes it's fun to point out Kim's multitude of flaws for newer participants in our tempest-in-a-teapot generator here.) Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 2369	Posted - 2016.12.20 01:55:01 - [24] - Quote Good luck in your attempt to get an honorless troll the likes of Kim to agree to a fair fight Pilot Yaken. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Jason Galente SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1031	Posted - 2016.12.20 02:34:38 - [25] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: I challenged Miss Kim to a duel recently and it was super fun! It took no time at all to set up, I had to do a bit of travelling but it was worth it! All I had to do was ask politely and not throw a tantrum. Now, this might sound shocking, but more often than not, ace piltots have a lot going on their plates to just drop everything and move accross half the cluster just to satisfy someone's bruised ego. Tell that to her, she's usually the one challenging people and demanding they come to "civilized space" because of her bruised ego (CALDARI OFFICER.) Pfft. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3003	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:15:07 - [26] - Quote Okay, that floaten up crap went a bit too far already. I will probably repeat myself, but since that... person... decided to start another discussion over this foolishness (which is actually against the rules of conduct), I will have to give explanation here. First and foremost, this is a "challenge" to trolling, not to a duel of sort. According to his own words, the meaning of this sort of activity is Quote: Start a rivalry with someone (or "Beef") and proceed to smoke their ass in a battle where we take turns dropping phrases that ryheme ("Bars") that also insult the opposing party. In other words - mutual insulting with a limitation of putting said insults into certain linguistic patterns. We have enough trolling already. We have enough mutual insults, and these forums are already sinking in this. We REALLY don't need more. Second. This is really a thing where you can lose only by starting to play. There are no winning conditions. "Winner" doesn't get anything. "Loser" doesn't lose anything. They just throw mud at each other ad nauseum. There is no thrill. There is nothing to lose. And claims about "being afraid" to participate in this is again nothing but a pure trolling - because there is simply NOTHING to be afraid of in such sort of 'contest'. Third. My reason of not participating in this fool's show is DISGUST of the process. And finally. If you are a real man, if you are a real pilot, a real person, a real capsuleer, then at least try to issue a real challenge. A challenge where you actually RISK something, something that you could really be afraid of participating in. I always give a choice to those whom I challenge to choose their weapon, will it be a ship one or a personal weapon, and so far I have honored all the options (with exclusion of obvious trolling like Wren Villeneuve did - who were just raining back insults in form of so-called terribly executed 'poetry'). If you really want a challenge - then either pick a normal weapon, or challenge me properly according to code of honor and let me choose the weapon... unless you are a coward, of course, who is capable only of slinging insults with verbal beef and verbal bars. In any way, if you insist on throwing insults at me or challenging me into mutual insult-throwing contest, I will just have to block your feeds. Enjoy your day. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3003	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:21:16 - [27] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Essentially, the point is that Kim's is a hollow mimicry of honor, that her self-declared reputation is a sham. Oh oh oh, who would bark about honor, but not as dishonorable liar as you, Makoto. You were caught on your slanders. You couldn't answer for your lies. You cowardly refused a real challenge. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 If you have chosen to live in disgrace, then leave and do so silently without poking your coward dishonorable nose out. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2263	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:22:09 - [28] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. So what you're telling me is... You're too much of a coward to accept my duel? WELP, YOU HEARD IT FIRST IGS TELL GUTTER PRESS TELL TL;DR (Assuming its still a thing..)) TELL THE DISCOURSE TELL THE SCOPE Diana Kim is too scared to accept a honorable challenge to a rap battle! (.___________________________________________.)/
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3004	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:28:40 - [29] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. So what you're telling me is... You're too much of a coward to accept my duel? WELP, YOU HEARD IT FIRST IGS TELL GUTTER PRESS TELL TL;DR (Assuming its still a thing..)) TELL THE DISCOURSE TELL THE SCOPE Diana Kim is too scared to accept a honorable challenge to a rap battle! Yaken, have you forgotten how to read letters? I stated already there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Special for those with reading disability, I will relink it second time. Diana Kim wrote: This is really a thing where you can lose only by starting to play. There are no winning conditions. "Winner" doesn't get anything. "Loser" doesn't lose anything. They just throw mud at each other ad nauseum. There is no thrill. There is nothing to lose. And claims about "being afraid" to participate in this is again nothing but a pure trolling - because there is simply NOTHING to be afraid of in such sort of 'contest'. Considering amount of caps in your text, maybe I should have replied the same? CAN YOU READ IT LIKE THIS? DO I NEED TO TRANSLATE ALL TEXT INTO CAPS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO READ? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2263	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:39:56 - [30] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. So what you're telling me is... You're too much of a coward to accept my duel? WELP, YOU HEARD IT FIRST IGS TELL GUTTER PRESS TELL TL;DR (Assuming its still a thing..)) TELL THE DISCOURSE TELL THE SCOPE Diana Kim is too scared to accept a honorable challenge to a rap battle! Yaken, have you forgotten how to read letters? I stated already there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Special for those with reading disability, I will relink it second time. Diana Kim wrote: This is really a thing where you can lose only by starting to play. There are no winning conditions. "Winner" doesn't get anything. "Loser" doesn't lose anything. They just throw mud at each other ad nauseum. There is no thrill. There is nothing to lose. And claims about "being afraid" to participate in this is again nothing but a pure trolling - because there is simply NOTHING to be afraid of in such sort of 'contest'. Considering amount of caps in your text, maybe I should have replied the same? CAN YOU READ IT LIKE THIS? DO I NEED TO TRANSLATE ALL TEXT INTO CAPS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO READ? Diana, all you do is throw mud at people. evidence of this is your posting. You call them cowards, stupid, dishonorable (coming from you thats adorable) and bootlickers. But if someone dares insults you then you go out on them Also i just like to remind everyone that this women takes pride in being a Strike commander of the militia. She is speaking down too and rejecting the duel request of a pilot who holds the rank of Brigadier General AND Divine Commodore. Get on my level "Strike Commander". Since you think your rank means so much (.___________________________________________.)/

Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1684	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:49:27 - [31] - Quote BURN!
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2697	Posted - 2016.12.20 13:59:53 - [32] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. Avio post Diana post. Avio post Well, she's not wrong that you haven't listed any consequences for losing/rewards for winning. Maybe if you did? Like: rap battle, to be judged by 5-member panel agreed upon by the participants, loser has to reimburse the winner's ship losses for a month, or something?
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2263	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:03:15 - [33] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. Avio post Diana post. Avio post Well, she's not wrong that you haven't listed any consequences for losing/rewards for winning. Maybe if you did? Like: rap battle, to be judged by 5-member panel agreed upon by the participants, loser has to reimburse the winner's ship losses for a month, or something? I find that consequence acceptable. but first obstacle then would be to agree on a panel before we even work on our material (.___________________________________________.)/
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2698	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:08:45 - [34] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: I find that consequence acceptable. but first obstacle then would be to agree on a panel before we even work on our material No, the first obstacle would be getting Diana to agree to those terms, rather than calling her a coward for raising a valid point.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2263	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:13:51 - [35] - Quote So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. (.___________________________________________.)/
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:18:56 - [36] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Diana post. So what you're telling me is... You're too much of a coward to accept my duel? WELP, YOU HEARD IT FIRST IGS TELL GUTTER PRESS TELL TL;DR (Assuming its still a thing..)) TELL THE DISCOURSE TELL THE SCOPE Diana Kim is too scared to accept a honorable challenge to a rap battle! Yaken, have you forgotten how to read letters? I stated already there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Special for those with reading disability, I will relink it second time. Diana Kim wrote: This is really a thing where you can lose only by starting to play. There are no winning conditions. "Winner" doesn't get anything. "Loser" doesn't lose anything. They just throw mud at each other ad nauseum. There is no thrill. There is nothing to lose. And claims about "being afraid" to participate in this is again nothing but a pure trolling - because there is simply NOTHING to be afraid of in such sort of 'contest'. Considering amount of caps in your text, maybe I should have replied the same? CAN YOU READ IT LIKE THIS? DO I NEED TO TRANSLATE ALL TEXT INTO CAPS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO READ? Diana, all you do is throw mud at people. evidence of this is your posting. You call them cowards, stupid, dishonorable (coming from you thats adorable) and bootlickers. But if someone dares insults you then you go out on them You are mixing -¦ consequence with a cause. Though it is not surprising for someone, who likes insulting contest in a style of such primitive and unintelligent species as Brutors. Yuck. Shame on you. This is basically, becasue I throw mud at those people, who dare to insult me first. And yea... lets do this way. I'll discard your words as empty until you will prove me otherwise - by providing at least one single case where I called people coward, stupid or dishonorable, if they didn't insult me first. You do it - I'll bring apologies and contunue conversation with you. You fail to do it - I'll just keep referencing this line back to you, because I have no time to deal with your foolishness and haberdashery. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:37:20 - [37] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. Oh my! This is very very abusable. What if the winner will start losing expensive ships on purpose one by one? Diana might have an affinity of losing carriers to drive-by doomsdays! (( If you are a roleplayer, please join official CCP channels ingame for roleplayers and support roleplaying community: Intergalactic Summit - IC router Out of Character - channel for discussion of roleplay, live events and lore ))
Wren Villeneuve University of Caille Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:41:08 - [38] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: You are mixing -¦ consequence with a cause. Though it is not surprising for someone, who likes insulting contest in a style of such primitive and unintelligent species as Brutors. Yuck. Shame on you. First of all, this is pretty racist. Diana Kim wrote: This is basically, becasue I throw mud at those people, ... Also racist Diana Kim wrote: You do it - I'll bring apologies and contunue conversation with you. You fail to do it - I'll just keep referencing this line back to you, because I have no time to deal with your foolishness and haberdashery. Don't do it, Avio, you have an out!
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:42:42 - [39] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. Oh my! This is very very abusable. What if the winner will start losing expensive ships on purpose one by one? Diana might have an affinity of losing carriers to drive-by doomsdays! Could you... pretty much.... be so kind to... SHUT THE HECK UP, PLEASE! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 995	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:44:33 - [40] - Quote Talking to yourself is a sign you might need to go have a talk with a professional.

Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 793	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:44:54 - [41] - Quote I stand by my statement that rap battles are silly.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:47:01 - [42] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. Oh my! This is very very abusable. What if the winner will start losing expensive ships on purpose one by one? Diana might have an affinity of losing carriers to drive-by doomsdays! Could you... pretty much.... be so kind to... SHUT THE HECK UP, PLEASE! But you won't deny this? (( If you are a roleplayer, please join official CCP channels ingame for roleplayers and support roleplaying community: Intergalactic Summit - IC router Out of Character - channel for discussion of roleplay, live events and lore ))
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 211	Posted - 2016.12.20 14:53:30 - [43] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. I'd be happy to be one of the judges!
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 39	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:02:42 - [44] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Talking to yourself is a sign you might need to go have a talk with a professional. Claiming that two different pilots can be the same person is a typical symptom of CDS (Capsuleer Dementia Syndrome). Under a constant sensory deprivation caused by capsule interface pilots lose connection to reality. While having multiple active clones for a pilot is a capital offense against CONCORD and a reason for the license termination (simply because it violates basic principles of casualty in the current judicial system), affected by CDS pilots are known for utilizing a concept of pseudo-alternative personalities (that they refer simply as 'alts'). Pilots, who claim to be such alternative personalities often build subconscious empathic bonds and behave similarly to try to convince others that they are the same person. *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:09:35 - [45] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: So be it then. Diana Kim. i retract my statement calling you a coward and instead offer you a request to a rap battle with the consequences of the loser being forced to pay the winner SRP for a month. We can work out a date to get our material ready along with getting together a 5 judge panel. Oh my! This is very very abusable. What if the winner will start losing expensive ships on purpose one by one? Diana might have an affinity of losing carriers to drive-by doomsdays! Could you... pretty much.... be so kind to... SHUT THE HECK UP, PLEASE! But you won't deny this? First, using such tactics will not be honorable. Whom do you consider me to be to use it?! I am a Caldari Officer, not a some sort of... Brutor! Second, my ships have crew, you know? Third, it happened just once. Fourth, claiming I have AFFINITY to this is an obvious lie and trolling. And five. This is unrelated to the conversation. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:24:03 - [46] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: But you won't deny this? First, using such tactics will not be honorable. Whom do you consider me to be to use it?! I am a Caldari Officer, not a some sort of... Brutor! Second, my ships have crew, you know? Third, it happened just once. Fourth, claiming I have AFFINITY to this is an obvious lie and trolling. And five. This is unrelated to the conversation. Hmm, okay, I am sorry for saying you have affinity to losing them. I though only wanted to help, and the reason I brought it, it was actually related to the conversation, as it was just an example how offered rules are not thought thoroughly out and can be abused. (( If you are a roleplayer, please join official CCP channels ingame for roleplayers and support roleplaying community: Intergalactic Summit - IC router Out of Character - channel for discussion of roleplay, live events and lore ))
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2264	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:29:02 - [47] - Quote I can tell i'm putting on the pressure now... ((Diana Kim alts - Luna Hanaya - Mika Firestorm )) (.___________________________________________.)/
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 277	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:40:12 - [48] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: This is basically, becasue I throw mud at those people, who dare to insult me first. And yea... lets do this way. I'll discard your words as empty until you will prove me otherwise - by providing at least one single case where I called people coward, stupid or dishonorable, if they didn't insult me first. Diana Kim wrote: such primitive and unintelligent species as Brutors.
Woodrow Ormand Un4seen Development Sev3rance 19	Posted - 2016.12.20 15:51:03 - [49] - Quote Seeing Diana claim that she cares so much for her crew is laughable. She endangers her crew needlessly when a non violent option is presented here. It's also laughable to see someone who is directly responsible for all caldari deaths to care for her crew. Remember, one who does not strive for peace when offered an olive branch is directly responsible for every death, military and civilian, from that time to the end of the conflict.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1685	Posted - 2016.12.20 16:41:17 - [50] - Quote Wait, if the caldari support the whole notion of order and respecting ranks, shouldn't the strike commander be jumping to obey the brigadier general? Do I sense dissidence in the ranks?

Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1154	Posted - 2016.12.20 21:45:44 - [51] - Quote Are you implying that a Hethist supporter and capsuleer is somehow deeply ingrained in the ranks? Mouth-breathing retards are able to sign up with the STPRO. Those with decent social skills tend to look for company among equals and join or found corporations. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1688	Posted - 2016.12.20 21:51:37 - [52] - Quote Have to admit, thats very true...
Jason Galente SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1032	Posted - 2016.12.20 23:07:30 - [53] - Quote I challenge Diana Kim. My weapon of choice is silence. Only a fool underestimates the power of silence. Here are the terms of this duel stemming from my choice of weapon: first of us to post on the IGS, or appear in a public fluid router channel, loses this duel of honor, which starts at the moment it is accepted by Diana. IGS, you're welcome. I consider this one a public service. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.20 23:31:36 - [54] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Are you implying that a Hethist supporter and capsuleer is somehow deeply ingrained in the ranks? Mouth-breathing retards are able to sign up with the STPRO. Those with decent social skills tend to look for company among equals and join or found corporations. Ahh, I see all the scum turn in to show their face. It's nice that this retardation isn't part of our Caldari State anymore. Go back to your little hiding spot, pirate, and keep radio silence. You are irrelevant. Deitra Vess wrote: Wait, if the caldari support the whole notion of order and respecting ranks, shouldn't the strike commander be jumping to obey the brigadier general? Do I sense dissidence in the ranks? Retired and working on Enemy. That makes him traitor. Woodrow Ormand wrote: Seeing Diana claim that she cares so much for her crew is laughable. She endangers her crew needlessly when a non violent option is presented here. It's also laughable to see someone who is directly responsible for all caldari deaths to care for her crew. Remember, one who does not strive for peace when offered an olive branch is directly responsible for every death, military and civilian, from that time to the end of the conflict. Special for extra half-wit gallentean breed I will repeat it... yes, one more time. I offered to fight in person without ships as well. This is always an option I include when I challenge others. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.20 23:38:58 - [55] - Quote Kolodi Ramal wrote: Diana Kim wrote: This is basically, becasue I throw mud at those people, who dare to insult me first. And yea... lets do this way. I'll discard your words as empty until you will prove me otherwise - by providing at least one single case where I called people coward, stupid or dishonorable, if they didn't insult me first. Diana Kim wrote: such primitive and unintelligent species as Brutors. This is not insult. First, it wasn't targeted at anyone in particular (except Mr. Yaken, but as you can see he earned this). Second, according to YC107 census Brutors has been found to be the least intelligent bloodline among all other bloodlines, hitting as low rating as 4 for all tested ancestries. For comparison, the top intelligence rating was found to belong to Achura, ranging from minimal 8 to highest possible recorded of 12 for different ancestries. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1689	Posted - 2016.12.20 23:48:17 - [56] - Quote Respectable answer. Also, where do the Sebiestor place on that census?
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2714	Posted - 2016.12.21 01:16:45 - [57] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Also, where do the Sebiestor place on that census? We place at a uniform 15, but because we don't want people to feel inadequate, we falsified our test scores to come in around 7-12, letting the Achurans take it by half a point on average. We're just nice like that.
Woodrow Ormand Un4seen Development Sev3rance 22	Posted - 2016.12.21 01:44:51 - [58] - Quote Diana, you mistake my comments for a gallente nationalist but you couldnt be more wrong. I support the gallente ideals, not the government. the only way to end the killing is for the capsuleers to stop fighting. the empires are not the ones fighting, we are. if capsuleers stop fighting their proxy war then they will be wasting money and be forced into a peace. and you say you will accept offers of challenges that do not require ships, but not his. he offers a peaceful channelge and you would rather waste more lives by doing so.
Casiella Truza Ecliptic Rift 79	Posted - 2016.12.21 02:02:03 - [59] - Quote Anyone who thinks Brutor (or Achura or whatever) are a separate species is uneducated enough that their opinions and assessments can be disregarded based solely on that.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 223	Posted - 2016.12.21 04:17:13 - [60] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: I challenge Diana Kim. My weapon of choice is silence. Only a fool underestimates the power of silence. Here are the terms of this duel stemming from my choice of weapon: first of us to post on the IGS, or appear in a public fluid router channel, loses this duel of honor, which starts at the moment it is accepted by Diana. IGS, you're welcome. I consider this one a public service. You won. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥

Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1156	Posted - 2016.12.21 09:39:42 - [61] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Ahh, I see all the scum turn in to show their face. It's nice that this retardation isn't part of our Caldari State anymore. Go back to your little hiding spot, pirate, and keep radio silence. You are irrelevant. What, no duel request? Disappointing. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3006	Posted - 2016.12.21 10:09:03 - [62] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Also, where do the Sebiestor place on that census? We place at a uniform 15, but because we don't want people to feel inadequate, we falsified our test scores to come in around 7-12, letting the Achurans take it by half a point on average. We're just nice like that. In fact, official Census scores Sebiestor 7-11, just right below Achura by one point. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2267	Posted - 2016.12.21 11:13:41 - [63] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Ahh, I see all the scum turn in to show their face. It's nice that this retardation isn't part of our Caldari State anymore. Go back to your little hiding spot, pirate, and keep radio silence. You are irrelevant. Shining example of a Caldari Officer ladies and gentlemen! On some glanet message board calling people ******! Also PY-RE represent. Diana Kim wrote: Retired and working on Enemy. That makes him traitor. "Retired and working WITH THE enemy. That makes him A traitor" If you are gonna post that people are r etarded then get your *** grammar sorted out. Diana Kim wrote:** Special for extra half-wit gallentean breed I will repeat it... yes, one more time. I offered to fight in person without ships as well. This is always an option I include when I challenge others. Meet me in person and have a rap battle with me. (.___________________________________________.)/
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1157	Posted - 2016.12.21 11:24:11 - [64] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Also PY-RE represent. As always, service guarantees citizenship. To this day, even. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Masuyo Yuan Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 3	Posted - 2016.12.21 11:28:20 - [65] - Quote As current CEO I can confirm that this agreement is still in place and ties with Kaalakiota are upheld, even with our current shift in projects and activities. My interest in the squabbling between capsuleers is fleeting, so I will not comment on the matter of musical challenges. Please forgive me for my interjection but I've felt that a clarification, or rather a confirmation, was in order before more rumours are being spread around.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1692	Posted - 2016.12.21 14:01:33 - [66] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Arrendis wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Also, where do the Sebiestor place on that census? We place at a uniform 15, but because we don't want people to feel inadequate, we falsified our test scores to come in around 7-12, letting the Achurans take it by half a point on average. We're just nice like that. In fact, official Census scores Sebiestor 7-11, just right below Achura by one point. Well, I prefer to think Arrendis is right, but since you actually have the official info thanks!
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2720	Posted - 2016.12.21 14:05:43 - [67] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Jason Galente wrote: I challenge Diana Kim. My weapon of choice is silence. Only a fool underestimates the power of silence. Here are the terms of this duel stemming from my choice of weapon: first of us to post on the IGS, or appear in a public fluid router channel, loses this duel of honor, which starts at the moment it is accepted by Diana. IGS, you're welcome. I consider this one a public service. You won. She hasn't accepted yet. Jason's free to keep posting.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2721	Posted - 2016.12.21 14:07:37 - [68] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Well, I prefer to think Arrendis is right, but since you actually have the official info thanks! They probably shaved off the '12's as outliers.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1692	Posted - 2016.12.21 14:10:22 - [69] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Well, I prefer to think Arrendis is right, but since you actually have the official info thanks! They probably shaved off the '12's as outliers. That wouldn't suprise me honestly, **** cluster bringing the tribal man down....
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1157	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:21:09 - [70] - Quote Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Skyweir Kinnison Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 354	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:25:13 - [71] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? Like most of her racist claptrap, one suspects - a certain bigoted officer's pointy behind. Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3008	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:25:59 - [72] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? CONCORD. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3008	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:29:29 - [73] - Quote Skyweir Kinnison wrote: Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? Like most of her racist claptrap, one suspects - a certain bigoted officer's pointy behind. And here you can see a typical gallentean propagandist slanderer. Jumps into threads just to insult Caldari officers with usual groundless lies. Would anyone even believe other things this Skyweir Kinnison tells after he degrades himself with such a trolling? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1692	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:33:51 - [74] - Quote Shouldn't everything be taken with a grain of salt to begin with?
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1157	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:38:17 - [75] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? CONCORD. Where? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Avio Yaken Sanxing 2268	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:39:04 - [76] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Skyweir Kinnison wrote: Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? Like most of her racist claptrap, one suspects - a certain bigoted officer's pointy behind. And here you can see a typical gallentean propagandist slanderer. Jumps into threads just to insult Caldari officers with usual groundless lies. Would anyone even believe other things this Skyweir Kinnison tells after he degrades himself with such a trolling? Man, ** the Caldari state (I'm doing this to ** her off) (.___________________________________________.)/
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1790	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:40:35 - [77] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Arrendis wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Well, I prefer to think Arrendis is right, but since you actually have the official info thanks! They probably shaved off the '12's as outliers. That wouldn't suprise me honestly, **** cluster bringing the tribal man down.... The Matari are bloody everywhere. Makes certain population groups nervous. Taking our jewbs and all that. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3008	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:45:17 - [78] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? CONCORD. Where? Use GalNet search, isn't hard to find. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 156	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:45:20 - [79] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Desiderya wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Desiderya wrote: Actually.... Sebestiors being exceptionally crafty aside. What's the source for that census? CONCORD. Where? Use GalNet search, isn't hard to find. Considering you said it, isn't it your job to prove it?
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1157	Posted - 2016.12.21 18:18:50 - [80] - Quote Can't find what isn't there. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 628	Posted - 2016.12.21 18:36:51 - [81] - Quote Oh boy, another case of "the laws we use daily are super secret". Let's see how this one turns out and if insults will start flying around. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1157	Posted - 2016.12.21 18:42:37 - [82] - Quote I'm more hinting at the fact that today's data does not see any measurable differences in the peak scores in CONCORD tests, as can be confirmed if you just take the test score results of the masses of capsuleer graduating in the last, say, 5 years. If there's any non-capsuleer related census done by CONCORD I'd be highly surprised and as such am happily calling bullshit where I see it. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 628	Posted - 2016.12.21 18:48:42 - [83] - Quote I don't know. Hundreds of "Intellectual charts of the cluster!"s of all sorts around galnets. Pick the one where Achur are like low-end and go with it if you want to trigger Diana. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1158	Posted - 2016.12.21 19:09:05 - [84] - Quote I don't need a chart to know that that one is low-end. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Quartz Jori Pan Eden Industries 0	Posted - 2016.12.21 19:21:25 - [85] - Quote I wouldn't be terribly surprised if CONCORD published a census specifically to disparage the Matari. Isn't the Elder Fleet the only entity to have attacked CONCORD and come out on top? They were stuck in an auxiliary command center for a pretty long time, if memory serves. I imagine it's just some clerk blowing off steam.
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 276	Posted - 2016.12.21 19:42:50 - [86] - Quote I recall the studies Commander Kim is referring to (as an aside, we Intaki were noted in the same reports to have the most well developed faculty of memory). If I am remembering correctly, prior to YC109 CONCORD kept detailed records of capsuleers' mental faculties (or attributes) assigning a numerical value to them. On average Achura scored highest out of the gate in Intelligence. This was prior to the age of cheap and freely available neural remaps, now-a-days it's not too hard for a Brutor pilot to match the intelligence of an Achura pilot.
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1158	Posted - 2016.12.21 19:51:24 - [87] - Quote It's CONCORD assigning values to standard tests for the end training results of capsuleers. Whether that is applicable to the populations at large is questionable - and obsolete since streamlined training and neural technology allows us to overcome this. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Persephone Alleile Tartarus Covert Operations 277	Posted - 2016.12.21 20:00:39 - [88] - Quote Desiderya wrote: It's CONCORD assigning values to standard tests for the end training results of capsuleers. Whether that is applicable to the populations at large is questionable - and obsolete since streamlined training and neural technology allows us to overcome this. No argument here, I just wanted to share that little bit of information in the spirit of mutual understanding.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 12	Posted - 2016.12.22 17:13:35 - [89] - Quote Of course the Amarr have always known the true value of the Minmatar. CONCORD was never needed for that even there report shows just how how one small sampling dooms the whole race. For the Amarr and for the longest time, the Scriptures served as that source of reliable information. That is if I trusted such antiquated documents. If I have learned anything from being on the IGS, nothing is to be taken at face value. There are depths to be explored. For example this "rap" battle. Mr Yaken has made, what I considered, a fair a reasonable offer. Not to mention and inspiration to each other's crew. Ms. Kim has rejected the offer. What I find interesting is that Mr. Yaken's confession that he is mediocre to horrible with this "rap". Thus an easy win for Ms. Kim unless she was truly just as bad. Now why am I interested in this discussion? Because the nature of duel. The challenge for both. It would be a circle of equals for both and Ms. Kim and Mr. Yaken. It may not be a fair fight since the loss of face is even more valuable then the loss of material or cloned body. Should this "duel" come to fruititon I would be very interested to watch.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2729	Posted - 2016.12.22 20:37:15 - [90] - Quote I'm just curious, and this is clearly not a defense of Diana, as she makes use of this kind of thing all the time herself, but... when did accepting a challenge or duel become obligatory? At what point was it suddenly mandated that someone can't just be an adult and say 'no thanks, I don't feel like it'?

Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3786	Posted - 2016.12.22 23:56:25 - [91] - Quote Arrendis wrote: I'm just curious, and this is clearly not a defense of Diana, as she makes use of this kind of thing all the time herself, but... when did accepting a challenge or duel become obligatory? At what point was it suddenly mandated that someone can't just be an adult and say 'no thanks, I don't feel like it'? When Diana mandated it a long time ago by attacking anyone who refused a duel as having no honour, and also has equated having no honour as worthy of a tea ceremony. One can of course obviously have a different honour code, but I really believe this one is a case of doing what you demand other people do.
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative 392	Posted - 2016.12.23 13:56:12 - [92] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Arrendis wrote: I'm just curious, and this is clearly not a defense of Diana, as she makes use of this kind of thing all the time herself, but... when did accepting a challenge or duel become obligatory? At what point was it suddenly mandated that someone can't just be an adult and say 'no thanks, I don't feel like it'? When Diana mandated it a long time ago by attacking anyone who refused a duel as having no honour, and also has equated having no honour as worthy of a tea ceremony. One can of course obviously have a different honour code, but I really believe this one is a case of doing what you demand other people do. Would a hypocritically ludicrous double standard in such an infantile mindset truly surprise you? "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2733	Posted - 2016.12.23 15:08:05 - [93] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: When Diana mandated it a long time ago by attacking anyone who refused a duel as having no honour, and also has equated having no honour as worthy of a tea ceremony. Right. Like I said: not a defense of Diana. My question is more: why are you validating her by reinforcing that position?
Morgan Agrivar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 720	Posted - 2016.12.24 05:21:56 - [94] - Quote Please, let us have a moment of silence for those precious seconds and minutes that were lost during the creation and continuation of this pathetic thread. hangs head in silence
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6967	Posted - 2016.12.24 09:55:00 - [95] - Quote Arrendis wrote: I'm just curious, and this is clearly not a defense of Diana, as she makes use of this kind of thing all the time herself, but... when did accepting a challenge or duel become obligatory? At what point was it suddenly mandated that someone can't just be an adult and say 'no thanks, I don't feel like it'? I'm surprised that people aren't more outraged that when two capsuleers duel the only lives on the line are their poor crews. "Let's them and them fight" so as to speak. I don't think any duel in anything other than a single-manned fighter can be considered anything other than murder-by-proxy or appointing champions. Obviously the Amarr culture has a long history of appointing champions, which is all fine and well for Amarr, but I'm not sure that Caldari duelling has the option of choosing proxies to fight for you. Someone inform me if I'm wrong. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.


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