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Junara
Legion of the Obsidion Star
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Posted - 2016.12.19 04:15:01 -
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I know it's an older ship and not the best but I generally run incursions as myrimary source of income. There are a few ships in game I really like the look of so I try to see if I can get a workable fit for my solo L4 missions. It doesn't need to be the fastest ship or the best I just need to try to make the best fit possible to make it work and not blow up lol.
I like to fly ships I really like the look of outside of incursions. I was hoping for some help with this one. I have pretty solid skills and a decent amount of is so I can fit T2 or faction if it is better. I can always tweak it down if I needed to so it can be a money is no issue fit to use as a template.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2341
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Posted - 2016.12.19 04:58:17 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=501950&find=unread
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1528
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Posted - 2016.12.19 19:18:31 -
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The Hyperion is a fine battleship and as far as mobility goes not too bad. Make sure you have a mwd on to move around quickly and look cool doing it.
So railguns are an option but just in case have some blasters too. Some missions have everything at close range, so you want close range guns.
If you are fighting Serpentis or Guristas a lot, blasters all the way.
Eve Minions is recruiting.
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Junara
Legion of the Obsidion Star
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Posted - 2016.12.19 22:58:46 -
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Thank you both. I read thru that thread as well. If I can figure out how to export the build I think I'm going to use I'll post it. I think it's pretty decent. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2390
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Posted - 2016.12.21 16:12:54 -
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If you end up going the rail gun route - use 350s over 425s. They track better, so over the entire L4 mission they will do better damage. 425s do great on BS, but damage drops off as the targets get smaller. The moral of the story is that 350s do better damage overall due to better tracking when you look at the whole mission. 425s do better 'on paper' damage which doesn't work out when you are shooting at things that are moving. The discrepancy between paper and actual DPS gets smaller as your support skills get better.
Using 350s also frees up a ton of grid/cpu so that you can do some spectacular things in your mids and lows.
As a general rule, when asking for fitting advice on the forums - you tend to get max/min eft fitting 'experts'. I'm not commenting on the 2 fits linked above, but in general many of the max/min fits are teh suxors once you get them out of EFT and into a mission.
Also keep in mind that the performance of the ship varies greatly based on skills. Support skills included. When using guns, look at those gunner skills that support your guns. Their bonus to your weapons adds up.
The real proof for you on the 350s vs 425s argument is easy to solve. Run a couple of missions with each. It will be obvious to you which you prefer. The guns are relatively cheap and you can sell the ones you decide not to use. This goes for a lot of fitting advice. When given several options - try them. Fitting has a lot to do with play style, so an optimal fitting is relative at best. There is not single fit that is right. |
Junara
Legion of the Obsidion Star
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Posted - 2016.12.21 18:43:13 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:If you end up going the rail gun route - use 350s over 425s. They track better, so over the entire L4 mission they will do better damage. 425s do great on BS, but damage drops off as the targets get smaller. The moral of the story is that 350s do better damage overall due to better tracking when you look at the whole mission. 425s do better 'on paper' damage which doesn't work out when you are shooting at things that are moving. The discrepancy between paper and actual DPS gets smaller as your support skills get better.
Using 350s also frees up a ton of grid/cpu so that you can do some spectacular things in your mids and lows.
As a general rule, when asking for fitting advice on the forums - you tend to get max/min eft fitting 'experts'. I'm not commenting on the 2 fits linked above, but in general many of the max/min fits are teh suxors once you get them out of EFT and into a mission.
Also keep in mind that the performance of the ship varies greatly based on skills. Support skills included. When using guns, look at those gunner skills that support your guns. Their bonus to your weapons adds up.
The real proof for you on the 350s vs 425s argument is easy to solve. Run a couple of missions with each. It will be obvious to you which you prefer. The guns are relatively cheap and you can sell the ones you decide not to use. This goes for a lot of fitting advice. When given several options - try them. Fitting has a lot to do with play style, so an optimal fitting is relative at best. There is not single fit that is right.
Thank you for the excellent advice. I came up with a fit that so far has proven quite good at L4 solo PvE, but I do not think the Hyperion will be able to handle the L4 epic arcs, so I will need to re-think for those. Maybe moving my Hyperion fit into a Navy Mega, Vindicator would prove to be a solid upgrade. I am not sure yet. I did not see this reply and have not yet tried the 350 Rails. I will do that though.
425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
425mm Railgun II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermal Hardener
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Ionic Field Projector II
Large Capacitor Control Ci
Warden II x 5
Augmented Hobgoblin x 5
Any idea which ship would serve as a sort of upgrade to this ship? For rails I'm guessing something Caldari or Gallente.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2390
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Posted - 2016.12.22 11:45:16 -
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The rokh seems like it would be a pretty good mission boat. You're not worried about scrams and whatnot, so I think you could mount a sizeable tank (which I'm assuming is your epic ark issue?? - never ran one) and use the lows for damage enhancement (mag stabs and tracking stuff) and maybe a cap mod or 2 if you need them.
As someone who ganks mission runners for a week or so every year or two (it's a corp team building thing we do from time to time), your hyperion would end up on the 'gank this' side of the ledger with all that bling. Be careful when you load a mission ship up to this extent for empire pve. If you want some be careful tips, send me a mail. I'm not inclined to help the entire eve community spoil my corp's team building!
Mission runner ganking is all about the math. I don't know where you are at as far as skill points, but the more skilled you are the better it is to move to T2 mods or even to cheaper passive armor resist mods (not the eanm ones - they are pricey). Armor comp skills make cheap faction passive mods a really good deal. If you over bling you're just asking to be harvested for sweet loots. Always remember you're not playing space WOW - someone will pee down your air hose if you make it worth their time. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2016.12.22 13:39:16 -
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I can assure you that I used my Rohk as a mission boat for a while and yes, she does pretty well.
Serendipity, don't forget that you can use grapplers in missions too. You can use them for small ships for great effect.
The Hyperion with the 5 mids can use a web and a grappler for orbiting frigates and has a generous dronebay.
Eve Minions is recruiting.
This is the law of ship progression!
Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2392
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Posted - 2016.12.22 14:17:36 -
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elitatwo wrote:I can assure you that I used my Rohk as a mission boat for a while and yes, she does pretty well.
Serendipity, don't forget that you can use grapplers in missions too. You can use them for small ships for great effect.
The Hyperion with the 5 mids can use a web and a grappler for orbiting frigates and has a generous dronebay.
That's a great point. Grapplers didn't exist the last time I ran a mission. |
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