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NekoKitten
Neko Industry 'n' PvE Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.12.20 13:42:31 -
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When I approach a wreck with double clicking in the overview, I get the 'you need to be in range to execute this function' message spoken by the new Aura. This (annoying) feature has been added in the latest update, however its getting on my nerves by now. Is there a way we can make Aura shut up besides turning audio off entirely ? |
Zacharyne Kimbyl
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.20 13:51:37 -
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You could try right click, "approach"?
Is there not a slider for Voice in the audio options? |
Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:06:15 -
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Quote: you need to be in range to execute this function
Is the most awful thing ever added to Aura. It does it for drones and fighters and I'm getting utterly spammed with it. If Aura were a player she'd be banned for excessive spamming of players.
Also please don't tell me to turn Aura off or turn the volume down. I'm legally blind and rely on Aura voice prompts as well as other tools/screen readers to read the screen to me. Having Aura constantly spam this 1 message at me has made Eve suddenly very problematic. I've already sent support tickets requesting this be removed. Please show your support in getting this message removed from game!
And if you really think that turning Aura off is a good plan, please turn your monitor off and play Eve that way. Then we'll both have an even playing field for some good 1v1 pvp. :-)
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Cutter Isaacson
wiggle Tech. Pandamimic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:16:09 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Quote: you need to be in range to execute this function Is the most awful thing ever added to Aura. It does it for drones and fighters and I'm getting utterly spammed with it. If Aura were a player she'd be banned for excessive spamming of players. Also please don't tell me to turn Aura off or turn the volume down. I'm legally blind and rely on Aura voice prompts as well as other tools/screen readers to read the screen to me. Having Aura constantly spam this 1 message at me has made Eve suddenly very problematic. I've already sent support tickets requesting this be removed. Please show your support in getting this message removed from game! And if you really think that turning Aura off is a good plan, please turn your monitor off and play Eve that way. Then we'll both have an even playing field for some good 1v1 pvp. :-)
People have been successfully playing EVE for over a decade without sound. Just an FYI.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:33:52 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
People have been successfully playing EVE for over a decade without sound. Just an FYI.
Yep! And I've been successfully playing Eve without a Monitor for several years too. Don't ask me to go without sound and I won't ask you to go without a monitor :-)
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Cutter Isaacson
wiggle Tech. Pandamimic Legion
3169
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:37:50 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
People have been successfully playing EVE for over a decade without sound. Just an FYI.
Yep! And I've been successfully playing Eve without a Monitor for several years too. Don't ask me to go without sound and I won't ask you to go without a monitor :-)
How exactly do you play then? Because, if I recall correctly, Aura is not exactly specific with her directions. Certainly not enough to enable a completely blind person to play EVE without any third-party assistance.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:45:19 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
How exactly do you play then? Because, if I recall correctly, Aura is not exactly specific with her directions. Certainly not enough to enable a completely blind person to play EVE without any third-party assistance.
That would send this Eve discussion on a wild tangent, so let me help you get started:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=audio+screen+reader+for+gaming
http://www.blindcomputergames.com/howto/howto-screen-readers-games.html
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Cutter Isaacson
wiggle Tech. Pandamimic Legion
3169
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Posted - 2016.12.20 15:15:19 -
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OK, so low IQ, sarcastic LMGTFY links are your go to for these things huh? No chips on your shoulders. Still not seeing why you need Aura. None of the screen reader tech relies on her at all.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
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Posted - 2016.12.20 15:21:56 -
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The whole new Aura voice is annoying. Tank god you can turn off UI voice. |
Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 15:53:26 -
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Quote:OK, so low IQ, sarcastic LMGTFY links are your go to for these things huh? No chips on your shoulders. Still not seeing why you need Aura. None of the screen reader tech relies on her at all.
You're adamant about changing the subject aren't you!
Subject is: 'you need to be in range to execute this function' is annoying
If you'd like a discussion on technologies used for the blind/visually impaired and how they are used in gaming there is an entire world of knowledge and 100's of websites dedicated to that topic. The idea that I can sum it all up for you on an Eve forum is not realistic. However... I'll give it a try....
First, I'll directly answer the question on Aura. Aura and screen reader tech are completely independent. There is no reliance relationship between the two. Screen readers read text on screen aloud. I spent a lot of time with a sighted person (my wife) having her move the mouse to areas on the screen where important Eve information is. I have software that allows me to assign that position of the mouse cursor a hot key. I click the key, the mouse goes to that spot and the reader software reads me the text at that spot. It took hours to setup my UI with all the click spots for text.
Aura was/is a fantastic addition to Eve. It brings a lot more Audio to the game and in general makes Eve a lot better for those with vision impairments. It in some ways gives me instant audio feedback for things that were in a pop up window that I never got any audio information on, unless I was super lucky and got my mouse right where that window pops up at the moment the pop up occurs. However, 'you need to be in range to execute this function' is repeated way too frequently and isn't actually all that useful to know. I already know my distance from target and I already know the range on the drone/fighter/weapon I am using. I is goods as maths and don't need Aura to tell me that dozens of times. It is interfering with other things on screen I'm trying to get read to me at the same time. It's one of the worst cases of having multiple voices in your head at the same time. As another aside.... I play with fleet coms in 1 ear and Eve audio / screen reader in the other ear. So I have an FC and all that chatter in my left ear and the screen reader/Aura in my right ear. I take lots of headache medicine.... Love Eve tho!! great fun.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.12.20 16:44:39 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Quote:OK, so low IQ, sarcastic LMGTFY links are your go to for these things huh? No chips on your shoulders. Still not seeing why you need Aura. None of the screen reader tech relies on her at all. You're adamant about changing the subject aren't you! Subject is: 'you need to be in range to execute this function' is annoying If you'd like a discussion on technologies used for the blind/visually impaired and how they are used in gaming there is an entire world of knowledge and 100's of websites dedicated to that topic. The idea that I can sum it all up for you on an Eve forum is not realistic. However... I'll give it a try.... First, I'll directly answer the question on Aura. Aura and screen reader tech are completely independent. There is no reliance relationship between the two. Screen readers read text on screen aloud. I spent a lot of time with a sighted person (my wife) having her move the mouse to areas on the screen where important Eve information is. I have software that allows me to assign that position of the mouse cursor a hot key. I click the key, the mouse goes to that spot and the reader software reads me the text at that spot. It took hours to setup my UI with all the click spots for text. Aura was/is a fantastic addition to Eve. It brings a lot more Audio to the game and in general makes Eve a lot better for those with vision impairments. It in some ways gives me instant audio feedback for things that were in a pop up window that I never got any audio information on, unless I was super lucky and got my mouse right where that window pops up at the moment the pop up occurs. However, 'you need to be in range to execute this function' is repeated way too frequently and isn't actually all that useful to know. I already know my distance from target and I already know the range on the drone/fighter/weapon I am using. I is goods as maths and don't need Aura to tell me that dozens of times. It is interfering with other things on screen I'm trying to get read to me at the same time. It's one of the worst cases of having multiple voices in your head at the same time. As another aside.... I play with fleet coms in 1 ear and Eve audio / screen reader in the other ear. So I have an FC and all that chatter in my left ear and the screen reader/Aura in my right ear. I take lots of headache medicine.... Love Eve tho!! great fun. Solution is "turn the sound off." Whether it's for the whole game, or just one part of it, if you don't like the sounds, turn them off. Crying about how much you dislike them isn't going to make CCP change them back.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 16:50:53 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Solution is "turn the sound off." Whether it's for the whole game, or just one part of it, if you don't like the sounds, turn them off. Crying about how much you dislike them isn't going to make CCP change them back.
OMG you should try and actually read what I wrote before replying..
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Lemmi ChillMister
Acid Tech. 303
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:12:14 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:The whole new Aura voice is annoying. Tank god you can turn off UI voice.
^ this... slider UI speech sound to 0... Did the same, old Aura voice was better... Maybe if they just would tweak the sound a bit, turn the pitch a little down and let the voice samples run a tad slower....
#ProjectNovaWhen?
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:18:05 -
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Lemmi ChillMister wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:The whole new Aura voice is annoying. Tank god you can turn off UI voice. ^ this... slider UI speech sound to 0... Did the same, old Aura voice was better... Maybe if they just would tweak the sound a bit, turn the pitch a little down and let the voice samples run a tad slower....
Honestly I want voice samples to go faster. :-)
Again stop suggesting to turn the speech off. Unless you want me to suggest that you to turn your monitor off.. It isn't a solution.
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Lemmi ChillMister
Acid Tech. 303
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:32:43 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Lemmi ChillMister wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:The whole new Aura voice is annoying. Tank god you can turn off UI voice. ^ this... slider UI speech sound to 0... Did the same, old Aura voice was better... Maybe if they just would tweak the sound a bit, turn the pitch a little down and let the voice samples run a tad slower.... Honestly I want voice samples to go faster. :-) Again stop suggesting to turn the speech off. Unless you want me to suggest that you to turn your monitor off.. It isn't a solution.
Yes, it is a solution... I wonder why you don't want us to mute the speech... Dev-alt? Related to voice actress? And if you don't like what you're reading then you should turn your monitor off...
#ProjectNovaWhen?
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Paranoid Loyd
9972
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:46:26 -
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I suggest you turn off the speech
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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nezroy
Nice Clan
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:58:22 -
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Blind man massacres trolls, film at 11. |
Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 17:59:22 -
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Are you seriously trying tell a blind person to turn off speech? That would be considered rather inflammatory and discriminatory. Like stealing a wheelchair from some one with no legs. Or telling a deaf person to listen to your iPod.
Some forum rules for you:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping, hate speech, and sexism are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.
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Paranoid Loyd
9972
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Posted - 2016.12.20 18:06:45 -
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So Mr Blind man, do you tell your computer to type out emoticons?
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.20 18:14:23 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:So Mr Blind man, do you tell your computer to type out emoticons?
He said 'legally blind' not totally blind. Also emoticons are just text codes you can type them yourself without clicking them above. |
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d0cTeR9
Serenity Cartel Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2016.12.20 18:45:06 -
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So we picking on blind people now?
Not cool.
Been around since the beginning.
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Paranoid Loyd
9973
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Posted - 2016.12.20 18:54:51 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:So we picking on blind people now?
Not cool. Only after he started off his rant with a lie.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Trevize Demerzel
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Posted - 2016.12.20 19:12:01 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: Only after he started off his rant with a lie.
You've completely lost me there.
#1 - My post was not a rant. #2 - I sure can't find a lie...
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ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.12.20 19:33:24 -
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Quote:Forum rules2. Be respectful toward others at all times.The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 5. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Let's be respectful guys. Trevize, if the new sound are seriously detrimental to your gameplay, file a petition. I'm sure you will get more and better feedback through that channel. In the meantime, i'm locking this thread
ISD Chanisa Nemes
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.12.23 01:06:34 -
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This thread has been butchered clean and unlocked, as it deals with a valid concern.
Several people have already either permanently or temporarily lost their forum posting privileges for being abusive and derogatory in this thread.
Don't be that guy.
As for the question and concern, at this point in time we can't really give and answer on this, given that most of the Dev team are away on Holiday vacation, but I'll bring the concern to the attention of the team working on Aura.
If anyone else feels the need to throw insults around in this thread, be aware that I'll happily hang the battered remains of your forum posting privileges on my Christmas tree as a decoration.
Keep it civil, I don't wanna have to clean this thread again.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 03:33:05 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote: Again stop suggesting to turn the speech off. Unless you want me to suggest that you to turn your monitor off.. It isn't a solution.
Dude, kudos to you for learning to play Eve blind. I couldn't imagine playing without being able to see the many little spreadsheets that make up the game. And if you ever want 1v1 PvP message me and I will meet you somewhere in a poorly fit frigate, far from sober and giving zero fucks.
That being said, the aura thing is annoying. I know if I'm too far away when the can doesn't open. Please take that out. |
Sir Dude
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.23 03:51:34 -
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Yeah....the voice addition is annoying and unnecessary. Also, not entirely happy about the 5-10 second wait you now have to comply with when you dock-up, change ship and want to quickly undock again, got to wait till the ship comes to rest in the circle. That's new too with a rather lame explanation about fluid changing issues.
In both of these cases there didn't seem to be anything wrong with the situation, as was, before the patch and appear to be cases of fixing things that were not broken or meddling. Or was there a legit reason for the new undocking time wait like it was messing with a process or script etc. or causing programing problems?
If not, then I rather liked the fast docking/change ship and undocking process that was before. Obviously not a huge deal...just mentioning. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.23 04:48:53 -
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I think Aura could say "approaching" instead of the distance comment.
I like my player units to be responsive? Just adding my vote here. I think there could be a voice pack that has different voice actors repeating your commands. Games like Starcraft have unit chatter if you simply touch them
Somebody_Call_For_An_Exterminator.3gp
Warships has a series of bells if you change speed or rudder. Something like that.
Battlecruiser_Reporting.wav
For_King_And_Country.wav
Warp_Drive_Active.mp3
Help, I can't download EVE
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7komerz
30plus Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.12.23 05:28:03 -
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A shout out to Actress|Producer >> Melissa Leo http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502425/
for her voice pattern and phrasing which seemed to have inspired the CCP producer of this modification.
Some of her voice work: Oblivion 2013 (Sally) Wayward Pines (TV Series 2015) Olympus Has Fallen (Movie 2013) |
Big Booty Bob
CheeZy NuggeTs
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Posted - 2016.12.23 09:18:31 -
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I need to be within range to execute this function? Is that why my ship is burning/warping there now? Oh hey, I'm in range and executing the function with no additional input!
That particular voice clip is approaching "the gong" in annoyance level. I could see how new players could be confused by their ship moving to a container before opening it, but once someone learns how the process works, the voice becomes redundant and annoying. Please check the situations where that clip is played and narrow it down to only operations that fail when not in range, rather than things like opening a wreck that automatically approach the target and proceed normally.
Try to use a warp scrambler or stasis webifier when out of range? It's not going to work so the error sound is justified. It could still be very annoying for those of us who watch our modules, but at least it's meaningful. Try to open a can from 5km away? The ship will just approach it and open the can when it's in range, so a message that sounds like an error is confusing and out of place. |
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