solution: Add level 5 courier missions that require a freighter so you can once again outclass these vagabonds!

"we need proof of bots to listen to you", then you lack a lot of wisedom/knowledge.

I'm just saying : making a distribution bot does not require much work and so the ratio LP/h/invested time is interesting, even though you think the sole LP/hour is bad.
When you farm, the ratio you consider is your ISK/played_hour ; when you create bot, the ratio is max_bot*ISK/bot_hour/dev_hour, because even if the sole ISK/hour is ten time worse, if you can launch 10 times more bots using it and it requires less dev time it's worth it.

you can easily script clicks on a window, the only issue is to know WHEN and WITCH click to perform - and for that you may need packet sniffing.

But can you really Ask CCP to do something on a random players theory? How many times have people said that the drop rate of X has change because their last X sites drop very little or something along those lines.

The issues I have with the OP is that he keeps on calling people stupid for having an opinion other than his and its not so much that he can't provide proof of bots but that he has no proof of any kind. Maybe check all LP items and look at their history since ascension, if the vast majority of items (ones farm able in HS) have come down a lot since then, then maybe he is right.

So this is a very valid concern IF we knew for a fact CCP wasn't blocking multiple alpha log ins from the same machine/IP. However as you can see by a simple and quick test, CCP does indeed block the ability to log in multiple alpha accounts or even a single alpha account if you have an Omega account running.

But can you really Ask CCP to do something on a random players theory? How many times have people said that the drop rate of X has change because their last X sites drop very little or something along those lines.

The issues I have with the OP is that he keeps on calling people stupid for having an opinion other than his and its not so much that he can't provide proof of bots but that he has no proof of any kind. Maybe check all LP items and look at their history since ascension, if the vast majority of items (ones farm able in HS) have come down a lot since then, then maybe he is right.

Can you possibly think of something more profitable or easier bot that involves zero risk?

The problem is that you are an utter moron.

its not a random player theory. It is common sense. I don't need to provide proof that bots exist. It is common sense that people will do this. The better question to ask is, why not prevent alphas from being able to bot level 4 missions? Its not that people have a different opinion, it is that they are actually stupid. You demand proof of things that are common sense and extremely likely. And only CCP has the data that would provide concrete evidence.

Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting.

maybe....switch bot on, go to work, come home, switch bot off and cash in lp and send to main, profit?

Yea I mean CCP won't be able to pick up on it being a bot at all.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

well if bots are an issue then clearly not

You're making a circular logic.

Many things cannot be proven false or true, ESPECIALLY in mathematics which people consider to be the most logic science. So your sentence about what can be asserted without proof is false ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems ).

I don't think the alpha bots are a problem at the moment, it does not mean I could learn from his point.

Some food for thought. If your intentions are to have a fruitful discussion with other people, comments like these can be very counter productive. In my experience, personal attacks don't strengthen a person's argument, but instead can take away from their credibility.

I'm not saying you're wrong (in fact, I think you are onto something), but your phrasing might have stolen some focus from the subject matter. Lots of people seem to think you're post is about whether bots do/don't exists (or how to eliminate them) instead of a conversation about limiting Alpha clone abilities to make botting less profitable for them.

Just my two cents. Sorry for pushing my views on you.

. Still, it's amusing to watch the flailing.

But all we get when we ask for proof is name calling and personal attacks. Still, it's amusing to watch the flailing.

Well, you just don't have the knowledge required. I bet you didn't even know T1 industrials like the Mammoth are the "top end" of industrial ships in EVE.

But don't worry, I didn't know either! I guess I have to sell my transportships now and replace them with Mammoths.

You're making a circular logic.

Many things cannot be proven false or true, ESPECIALLY in mathematics which people consider to be the most logic science. So your sentence about what can be asserted without proof is false ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems ).

I always knew that Eve Online has nothing to do with mathematical, logical or evidenced !! #CCP

Having read the moronic drivel of the OP, you're dam right, especially with the logical or evidenced part.

You clowns really didn't think to say what it is you are even on about?

What is it exactly that you are too stupid to understand? The intelligent people in this thread seem to have no issue understanding the problem as explained. Evidence? Mathematics? LOL! Is common sense really such a challenge for you?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, dumbass, and it is practically common sense that botting level 4 couerier missions is worthwhile


You must be quite the idiot if you expect anyone to take your baseless criticism seriously in light of all this.

please stop the insults. This is boring and makes your argument unreadable.

What is it exactly that you are too stupid to understand? The intelligent people in this thread seem to have no issue understanding the problem as explained. Is common sense really such a challenge for you?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, dumbass. It is logical, and practically common sense that botting level 4 couerier missions is worthwhile

Why would anyone need to provide proof that that the sky is blue? Open your eyes.


You must be quite the idiot if you expect anyone to take your baseless criticism seriously in light of all this.

Listen up dude,

When your able to write a sentence without insults, we can start a conversation, if that is beyond your mental horizon just eff off.

Why would I care to converse with someone who is too incompetent to even understand the topic? You haven't provided any arguments, and have only brought baseless criticism. You are a joke.

I'll just call you out for your blatant display of stupidity and leave you looking the fool that you clearly are.

Thanks for the bumps

Miner calm down!

Miner calm down!

Thank you for proving my point about your mental horizon. You should try YouTube, it is more appropriate for your low par trolling level.

Otoh, could it be that all those botters only exist in your head, I mean, like the obvious voices do?
After the insult laden rampage from you in this thread, I would assume it is highly likely.