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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2767
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Posted - 2016.12.26 23:33:51 -
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As some of you know, I recently got irked with Nauplius' insistence on creepily stalking women and speculating about their bodies. I threatened to smack him with a rolled-up datasheet, in the manner of an errant slaver hound, if he didn't stop.
He didn't stop.
So, irritated, I told him publicly that I was en route to Fovihi to his Grand Temple of the Red God in order to deliver the smack. At first, he refused to show up. He suggested I come to Rama. I told him I would not give him any excuses to run away, and this was going to happen in his hangar, on his citadel, with his security present. After some mockery on the part of third parties (Honorable third parties, no doubt) he agreed. I took a travelceptor to the immediate area, and acquired a shuttle for the final docking, so he wouldn't have to worry about autocannons in the hangar.
I've now been asked to make the external security feed from the shuttle available.
The Footage wrote:
**STATIC**
**The interior of a standard hangar bay on an Astrahus citadel comes into view, moving slightly as the shuttle makes its final trim adjustments and settles on its landing gear.**
Nauplius grunts.
Arrendis disembarks from the baseliner shuttle and comes into the hangar, looking more or less exactly the same as ever. Knee-length t-shirt, no visible foot- or leg-wear... and a rolled up datasheet.
Nauplius waves over a guard to perform an inspection for weapons.
Arrendis sighs as the guard comes over to inspect her. "Would it make you feel better to have me strip-searched?"
Nauplius grunts as the guard waves a scanner around. He approaches as the guard departs.
Arrendis holds up the datasheet as the guard does his thing, and when he's finished, starts toward Nauplius as well. "Just this. Wanna inspect it, too?"
Nauplius responds, "Very well, yes."
She sighs, and hands over the datasheet. Three pages thick, rolled up, nothing in it. The information appears to be market data on shield boosters.
Nauplius gives it a look, and then hands it back, and prepares himself.
Arrendis looks around. "I have to say, I'm actually surprised at you."
"I'd offer a tour of the ritual areas; however, I am a bit pressed for time at the moment," he replies, "I want to spread around knowledge of the Red God. Even unto the Minmatar, that they may learn of their destruction."
The Sebiestor nods, "I can imagine, still..." She whips around and brings the datasheet across his face hard enough to actually hurt before dropping it with a shrug. "I actually expected you'd let me get this far..."
Nauplius grunts and rubs his cheek a bit.
"Then when I go to leave," she continues, "the guards pop out to detain me. Can't really threaten one of us with death... but a few decades of brutal torture? Anyway. Stop being creepy." With that, she turns to go. She's only halfway to the shuttle's boarding ramp when he shouts out to her.
"I shall continue my creepyness, madam!"
Arrendis stops, and starts back toward him... well, toward the datasheet, actually, and bends down to pick it up.
Nauplius continues as she approaches, "Now please leave this holy place."
She doesn't respond to that 'request' right away. Instead, she pauses for a moment as if considering. Then, she delivers a savage backhand with the datasheet, harder than before. "I did tell you I'd smack you again if you gave me reason to do it."
"Enough." He points to the exit. "So much wrath you heap up for yourself in God's mighty storehouse of Wrath!"
"Mmmhm." She drops the datasheet again and once more starts for the shuttle. "Do yourself a favor and don't give me a reason to turn around again."
Nauplius grunts and waves.
The mics pick up the sound of the shuttle's loading doors closing with a dull boom, and the feed ends.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
682
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Posted - 2016.12.27 01:33:19 -
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Meet me like you met her Nauplius.
I promise I will not bring a datasheet.
As strength goes.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2228
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Posted - 2016.12.27 02:07:48 -
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I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 02:24:20 -
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The datasheet's paper, isn't it? Pretty old-fashion of you.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
163
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Posted - 2016.12.27 03:53:42 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good...
Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:00:37 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro.
At that range? Yes. But I say autocannons are better. They are infernally loud, which will cause many burst eardrums. They shred through the superstructure, leaving behind twisted metal that would be a safety hazard for anyone having to walk through the area to do repairs. The expended ammo casings leave collateral damage and even more mess for the repair crew to deal with. Then there are the wonderful secondary effects of the shells lobbed into the superstructure (massive puddles of melted metal via Fusion or Phased Plasma, fried electronics via EMP, multiple deck breaches via Titanium Sabot, shrapnel via Depleted Uranium).
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2773
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:03:08 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:The datasheet's paper, isn't it? Pretty old-fashion of you.
It was actually a fiber lattice, but... basically, not very different from processed wood pulp, yes. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
163
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:09:38 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. At that range? Yes. But I say autocannons are better. They are infernally loud, which will cause many burst eardrums. They shred through the superstructure, leaving behind twisted metal that would be a safety hazard for anyone having to walk through the area to do repairs. The expended ammo casings leave collateral damage and even more mess for the repair crew to deal with. Then there are the wonderful secondary effects of the shells lobbed into the superstructure (massive puddles of melted metal via Fusion or Phased Plasma, fried electronics via EMP, multiple deck breaches via Titanium Sabot, shrapnel via Depleted Uranium).
Bro, you're literally launching antimatter at someone, how isn't that just the coolest? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:10:50 -
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Arrendis wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:The datasheet's paper, isn't it? Pretty old-fashion of you. It was actually a fiber lattice, but... basically, not very different from processed wood pulp, yes.
I haven't written on paper or paper-like material for ages now. The only other person, besides yourself, whom I know who writes on paper-like material is currently busying herself with biotechnology in the next room.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:12:36 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. At that range? Yes. But I say autocannons are better. They are infernally loud, which will cause many burst eardrums. They shred through the superstructure, leaving behind twisted metal that would be a safety hazard for anyone having to walk through the area to do repairs. The expended ammo casings leave collateral damage and even more mess for the repair crew to deal with. Then there are the wonderful secondary effects of the shells lobbed into the superstructure (massive puddles of melted metal via Fusion or Phased Plasma, fried electronics via EMP, multiple deck breaches via Titanium Sabot, shrapnel via Depleted Uranium). Bro, you're literally launching antimatter at someone, how isn't that just the coolest?
But they aren't as annoying to the hangar manager.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2228
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:15:40 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro.
You assume I want to get that close?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
163
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:18:46 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:You assume I want to get that close?
You know I do. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:21:25 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. You assume I want to get that close?
You are *inside* the docking bay though. Everything is within reach of blasters. You can go ahead and launch the drones to wreck more shite if you want.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2773
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Posted - 2016.12.27 04:25:15 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:I haven't written on paper or paper-like material for ages now. The only other person, besides yourself, whom I know who writes on paper-like material is currently busying herself with biotechnology in the next room.
Oh, I don't write on it. I printed it out so I could smack him. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
6975
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Posted - 2016.12.27 06:18:51 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro.
Blasters are a random weapon, lacking artistry.
Railguns are far more precise.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2776
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Posted - 2016.12.27 07:16:31 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Blasters are a random weapon, lacking artistry.
I would just like to say that my data sheet was a very elegant weapon, and not as clumsy or random as a blaster.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
404 Alliance Not Found
546
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Posted - 2016.12.27 07:54:38 -
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Idiotic. To be expected on the IGS these days.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.27 08:22:32 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. Blasters are a random weapon, lacking artistry. Railguns are far more precise.
If one has to aim carefully for wanton destructive rampage, can it really be called wanton destructive rampage?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
359
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Posted - 2016.12.27 09:50:17 -
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This is just extremely weird on too many levels at once. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
801
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Posted - 2016.12.27 11:07:24 -
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Mister Nauplius is like that weird uncle nobody wants to talk to!
So that's why he wanted me to wear that Eternity suit. |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1883
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Posted - 2016.12.27 14:18:17 -
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Well, there's something you don't see every day.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2228
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Posted - 2016.12.27 15:10:46 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. Blasters are a random weapon, lacking artistry. Railguns are far more precise. If one has to aim carefully for wanton destructive rampage, can it really be called wanton destructive rampage?
Or one could just unload their entire magazine into the hanger without concern for careful aim.... multiple times.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1815
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Posted - 2016.12.27 15:17:40 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I would like to unload my rail guns into that bay, but alas, it wouldn't do any good... Using railguns? Tisk tisk. Blasters are better, bro. Blasters are a random weapon, lacking artistry. Railguns are far more precise. If one has to aim carefully for wanton destructive rampage, can it really be called wanton destructive rampage? Or one could just unload their entire magazine into the hanger without concern for careful aim.... multiple times.
Not nearly fast and messy enough. It just punches neat holes through the superstructure only to blow up into clouds of plasma somewhere.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1701
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Posted - 2016.12.27 15:40:11 -
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Three words, Rage. Nova. Rockets. Close range, big target, would be in the docking bay so shields wouldn't be much of a problem. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1815
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Posted - 2016.12.27 15:42:03 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Three words, Rage. Nova. Rockets. Close range, big target, would be in the docking bay so shields wouldn't be much of a problem.
As much as I love rage rockets, heavy assault missiles and torpedoes, I still think 'piercing then explode into a fusion blast' is much messier and far more of a pain to clean up.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Natheniel
Mostly Sober
The Bastard Cartel
116
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Posted - 2016.12.27 15:47:37 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Three words, Rage. Nova. Rockets. Close range, big target, would be in the docking bay so shields wouldn't be much of a problem. As much as I love rage rockets, heavy assault missiles and torpedoes, I still think 'piercing then explode into a fusion blast' is much messier and far more of a pain to clean up.
And Yet its quite a pretty thing to see when it goes off.
"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1701
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:02:30 -
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I have to agree with both of you.... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:17:05 -
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You guys remember he could see what I was flying, right? There's a reason he denied docking to my interceptor. While I certainly don't disagree with any of the weapons analysis going on, he wasn't going to let me in with anything I could use to mess u the hangar like that. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2806
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:29:27 -
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Arrendis wrote:You guys remember he could see what I was flying, right? There's a reason he denied docking to my interceptor. While I certainly don't disagree with any of the weapons analysis going on, he wasn't going to let me in with anything I could use to mess u the hangar like that.
Hee.
Yeah, people reacted a little like this when I met with him: "Why didn't you kill him?"
My answer then is the same as it is now: "It wouldn't have done any good." |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
889
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:33:26 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Arrendis wrote:You guys remember he could see what I was flying, right? There's a reason he denied docking to my interceptor. While I certainly don't disagree with any of the weapons analysis going on, he wasn't going to let me in with anything I could use to mess u the hangar like that. Hee. Yeah, people reacted a little like this when I met with him: "Why didn't you kill him?" My answer then is the same as it is now: "It wouldn't have done any good."
Not disagreeing with you on the "it wouldn't do any good" bit, but you could have left an old school nuke behind... I mean, the shuttle does have a cargo hold, and you can remote active the thing.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1701
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:52:49 -
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Industrial explosives, think ya can fit one in a shuttle.... 7.5m3 right? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2806
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Posted - 2016.12.27 17:58:35 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Arrendis wrote:You guys remember he could see what I was flying, right? There's a reason he denied docking to my interceptor. While I certainly don't disagree with any of the weapons analysis going on, he wasn't going to let me in with anything I could use to mess u the hangar like that. Hee. Yeah, people reacted a little like this when I met with him: "Why didn't you kill him?" My answer then is the same as it is now: "It wouldn't have done any good." Not disagreeing with you on the "it wouldn't do any good" bit, but you could have left an old school nuke behind... I mean, the shuttle does have a cargo hold, and you can remote active the thing.
My intention at the time was to save lives, Mr. Toov. I succeeded mostly because I stuck to the agreement, letter and spirit. In the time since, Mr. Nauplius has actually exceeded what I thought the agreement was-- he's continued turning over his captives. That may be coming to an end, now, but....
Even if at some point I might actually have had a chance, I can't regret that I didn't harm him.
Maybe it's hypocritical for someone like me to care about such a thing, but, I guess I'd rather be a hypocrite than someone who consistently lets people die. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
2374
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Posted - 2016.12.27 18:30:56 -
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I just wish I had thought this meeting up! I'm laughing so hard now that I'm almost crying.
So it turns out that Naups is really just a bog standard horny old pervo with a kink for getting slapped by Matari women. Hilarious!
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2229
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Posted - 2016.12.27 20:54:15 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I just wish I had thought this meeting up! I'm laughing so hard now that I'm almost crying.
So it turns out that Naups is really just a bog standard horny old pervo with a kink for getting slapped by Matari women. Hilarious!
If it will get him to calm down on the whole "sacrifice minmatar" thing, I can point him in the direction of a couple of pleasure hubs that cater to that kind of fetish. 100% discreet.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
361
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Posted - 2016.12.27 20:57:40 -
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Quote:So it turns out that Naups is really just a bog standard horny old pervo with a kink for getting slapped by Matari women. Hilarious! More like really disgusting. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2016.12.27 21:29:46 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:I mean, the shuttle does have a cargo hold, and you can remote active the thing.
Baseliner shuttle. Had to actually fly the thing in manually. No pod. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2016.12.27 21:31:14 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:If it will get him to calm down on the whole "sacrifice minmatar" thing, I can point him in the direction of a couple of pleasure hubs that cater to that kind of fetish. 100% discreet.
Better chances of contracting the hub employees to go to him. He won't step inside one, remember? They're wicked and vile. Maybe Vwickled, even. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2229
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Posted - 2016.12.27 21:44:51 -
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Arrendis wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:If it will get him to calm down on the whole "sacrifice minmatar" thing, I can point him in the direction of a couple of pleasure hubs that cater to that kind of fetish. 100% discreet. Better chances of contracting the hub employees to go to him. He won't step inside one, remember? They're wicked and vile. Maybe Vwickled, even.
That might pose a bit of a problem, given his reputation. Think a meeting on neutral ground could be arranged? Because I own a small hotel chain on Callie that could host him. I'll even comp the room fee...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2786
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Posted - 2016.12.27 23:18:06 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:That might pose a bit of a problem, given his reputation. Think a meeting on neutral ground could be arranged? Because I own a small hotel chain on Callie that could host him. I'll even comp the room fee...
Caillie? Gallente space. Too Vwickled. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2231
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Posted - 2016.12.28 01:58:53 -
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Arrendis wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:That might pose a bit of a problem, given his reputation. Think a meeting on neutral ground could be arranged? Because I own a small hotel chain on Callie that could host him. I'll even comp the room fee... Caillie? Gallente space. Too Vwickled.
Delightfully so.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
1074
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Posted - 2016.12.28 04:53:58 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Three words, Rage. Nova. Rockets. Close range, big target, would be in the docking bay so shields wouldn't be much of a problem.
I found Mega Pulse Lasers worked out a lot better.
Thanks for the inspiration though.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1707
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Posted - 2016.12.28 04:58:21 -
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Any time! |
Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
1078
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Posted - 2016.12.28 18:07:21 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Any time!
Cheers!
Having gone over the ship's logs...I think I may have overdone it a bit.
Nauplius won't be using that hanger again for quite some time. A shame he has others though. I wonder if he'll let me dock up again?
Ah well.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1707
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Posted - 2016.12.28 18:41:55 -
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Well, you can only do so much, ya know? Highly doubt I'd be able to test my rocket theory... |
Jason Galente
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
1040
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Posted - 2016.12.28 22:28:20 -
[45] - Quote
Sheesh, get a room you two.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1707
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Posted - 2016.12.28 22:36:50 -
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Wait... what? |
Jason Galente
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
1040
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Posted - 2016.12.28 23:02:41 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Wait... what?
I'm talking about Arrendis and Nau(ghty Boy)
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1707
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Posted - 2016.12.28 23:08:21 -
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Heh oh, my bad. |
Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
86
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Posted - 2016.12.28 23:20:52 -
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I heard a rumor he got smacked with more than a bit of paper. |
Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
1079
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Posted - 2016.12.28 23:52:51 -
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Casiella Truza wrote:I heard a rumor he got smacked with more than a bit of paper.
See above
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2799
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Posted - 2016.12.29 03:10:01 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Sheesh, get a room you two.
Oh, don't even, Jason. The next time I have to deal with him face to face, I'm gonna lock him in a sensory deprivation tank and keep him fed through a tube for 90 years. Let's see if he can maintain his license fees that long without an income. |
Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
97
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Posted - 2016.12.29 05:28:02 -
[52] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:
Oh, don't even, Jason. The next time I have to deal with him face to face, I'm gonna lock him in a sensory deprivation tank and keep him fed through a tube for 90 years. Let's see if he can maintain his license fees that long without an income.
Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2800
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Posted - 2016.12.29 05:51:30 -
[53] - Quote
Vlad Cetes wrote:Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there. |
Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
97
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Posted - 2016.12.29 06:07:04 -
[54] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Vlad Cetes wrote:Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there.
Put him onboard a facility so far out in nullsec any of his friends or mercenaries cannot rescue him |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
695
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Posted - 2016.12.29 12:38:08 -
[55] - Quote
Multiple acts of terrorism by Sinjin Mokk, Thal Vadam, and Vlad Cetes against the Grand Temple to the Red God have damaged the various demon summoning circles and triangles contained within. The barrier between the Materium and the Immaterium is breached, and unbound demons now rampage throughout New Eden. (I'm not sure what the Materium and Immaterium are, but they are apparently part of the cosmology taught in the Church of the Crimson Savior.)
The last time demon summoning operations were disrupted in one of my then Towers, demons rampaged throughout Delve and Khanid space, as reported by Gutter Press. (Oh yes, the Empress was assassinated, too, but God did that, not the demons.)
The Blood of innocent demon victims is on your hands, pilots. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
402
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Posted - 2016.12.29 13:16:53 -
[56] - Quote
The irony of Nauplius complaining about demons... That's more hypocrisy than I've seen mustered a while.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1709
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Posted - 2016.12.29 14:14:07 -
[57] - Quote
By demons, do you mean one of them unleashed marines? |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
403
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Posted - 2016.12.29 14:39:26 -
[58] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Vlad Cetes wrote:Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there.
I'm reminded of an unrelated, but not irrelevant, situation regarding a hangar in Umokka, Nauplius, Ston Momaki, and a number of unfortunate individuals recovered from jet cans...
Maybe anchor a container somewhere at the hind end of w-space? All you'd need are some drones, and a few pieces of equipment in said container.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2803
|
Posted - 2016.12.29 15:05:17 -
[59] - Quote
Saya Ishikari wrote:Maybe anchor a container somewhere at the hind end of w-space? All you'd need are some drones, and a few pieces of equipment in said container.
If he's in space, he can be found. The can might be destroyed. Then his softclone would activate, and he'd be free.
Put him on ice for a century or two, make sure he hasn't been able to keep his license active.
Then shoot him in the head, when there is no clone. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2803
|
Posted - 2016.12.29 15:09:01 -
[60] - Quote
Vlad Cetes wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vlad Cetes wrote:Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there. Put him onboard a facility so far out in nullsec any of his friends or mercenaries cannot rescue him
If I were going to do that, I wouldn't take him through a gate myself. I'd bubble-wrap him and contract him over to a freighter service that's registered with MiniLuv and CODE, and let them JF him around. Never take gates. Gates just offer enemies a choke-point. |
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
403
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Posted - 2016.12.29 15:31:55 -
[61] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:Maybe anchor a container somewhere at the hind end of w-space? All you'd need are some drones, and a few pieces of equipment in said container. If he's in space, he can be found. The can might be destroyed. Then his softclone would activate, and he'd be free. Put him on ice for a century or two, make sure he hasn't been able to keep his license active. Then shoot him in the head, when there is no clone.
Eh, I suppose there isn't a need to be fancy about it, really. But I did have this thought of having otherwise dead clones sculpted and seeding them all over the place for his "friends" to find, cryo preserved. Just to keep it interesting.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2813
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Posted - 2016.12.29 15:48:01 -
[62] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Put him on ice for a century or two, make sure he hasn't been able to keep his license active.
Then shoot him in the head, when there is no clone.
Arrendis? Just to mention-- whether that even works will depend on what sort of parameters he has set up for his soft clone activation conditions. We're not allowed to have two copies active at once, but the point where we're considered "presumed dead" has some wiggle room in it.
I have mine set up with the possibility of me ending up considerably worse-than-dead at the hands of Nation or the Sani Sabik in mind. If it means I get stripped of personhood while still breathing and "rescue" means a bullet in the head, well, that's a price I'm kind of willing to pay.
I mention this here because I'm pretty sure if he hasn't already thought of this, one of his minions has, and also since I'd actually kind of recommend it to anybody who doesn't want to risk having a True Slave wandering around with their name and assets. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
403
|
Posted - 2016.12.29 15:49:51 -
[63] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Arrendis wrote:Put him on ice for a century or two, make sure he hasn't been able to keep his license active.
Then shoot him in the head, when there is no clone. Arrendis? Just to mention-- whether that even works will depend on what sort of parameters he has set up for his soft clone activation conditions. We're not allowed to have two copies active at once, but the point where we're considered "presumed dead" has some wiggle room in it. I have mine set up with the possibility of me ending up considerably worse-than-dead at the hands of Nation or the Sani Sabik in mind. If it means I get stripped of personhood while still breathing and "rescue" means a bullet in the head, well, that's a price I'm kind of willing to pay. I mention this here because I'm pretty sure if he hasn't already thought of this, one of his minions has, and also since I'd actually kind of recommend it to anybody who doesn't want to risk having a True Slave wandering around with their name and assets.
A very, very good point.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2805
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Posted - 2016.12.29 15:53:16 -
[64] - Quote
Saya Ishikari wrote:Eh, I suppose there isn't a need to be fancy about it, really. But I did have this thought of having otherwise dead clones sculpted and seeding them all over the place for his "friends" to find, cryo preserved. Just to keep it interesting.
He'd need friends. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
403
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Posted - 2016.12.29 15:55:04 -
[65] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:Eh, I suppose there isn't a need to be fancy about it, really. But I did have this thought of having otherwise dead clones sculpted and seeding them all over the place for his "friends" to find, cryo preserved. Just to keep it interesting. He'd need friends.
True... Alright, let's just lock him in a hangar and throw in some food each day.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
98
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Posted - 2016.12.29 19:13:46 -
[66] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arrendis? Just to mention-- whether that even works will depend on what sort of parameters he has set up for his soft clone activation conditions. We're not allowed to have two copies active at once, but the point where we're considered "presumed dead" has some wiggle room in it.
I have mine set up with the possibility of me ending up considerably worse-than-dead at the hands of Nation or the Sani Sabik in mind. If it means I get stripped of personhood while still breathing and "rescue" means a bullet in the head, well, that's a price I'm kind of willing to pay.
I mention this here because I'm pretty sure if he hasn't already thought of this, one of his minions has, and also since I'd actually kind of recommend it to anybody who doesn't want to risk having a True Slave wandering around with their name and assets.
Consider also installing a dead-man switch self-destruct in your clone in that event. Our sentient nodes have such a thing to prevent forcible disconnection and retrieval of Nodes.
Also Arrendis, the place he would be kept would require over 100 Drifters to attack just to destroy him, it is properly fitted after all. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2813
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Posted - 2016.12.29 20:07:07 -
[67] - Quote
Vlad Cetes wrote:Consider also installing a dead-man switch self-destruct in your clone in that event.
That has its own problems, though.
If it requires a signal to prevent triggering, the signal can be jammed to trigger it or replicated to cause failure. If it requires none, it can be jammed to cause failure or spoofed to trigger it. Either way it renders the clone vulnerable to remote attack in addition to all the other ways sabotage or malfunction can already get to us.
Sometimes an eraser might be worth it. Usually, not so much. It works best if you decide case by case whether you need one and use a different kind each time you do. |
Praevus
16
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Posted - 2016.12.29 20:53:40 -
[68] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:I have mine set up with the possibility of me ending up considerably worse-than-dead at the hands of Nation or the Sani Sabik in mind. If it means I get stripped of personhood while still breathing and "rescue" means a bullet in the head, well, that's a price I'm kind of willing to pay.
Just a cursory side note - but you already were "stripped of personhood" once, ms. Jenneth. And, what does you new ego has to say about the one that existed before?
Aria Jenneth wrote:In another sense, the person with those memories is a really unhappy person. Maybe I shouldn't be forgiven my past just because I can't remember it anymore, but, knowing that it's hard to draw a hard, principled line between her and me doesn't make me want to be her.
It's just irrational, basic human fears, like fear of death, or fear of change. You were remade anew in a random, barbaric, destructive way, but yet you got accustomed to it, grew another personality around it, like a tree grows around the damaging object and lives on, and now don't want to go back to your previous self you consider really unhappy.
It's all relative, you see.
Back on topic. I expected to see a practical businessman in mr. Mokk, but it seems that he's just as driven by petty emotions and pontless vendettas as most other blind people in the cluster. Looks like the entire topic of selling slaves to Nauplius was raised just to infiltrate his citadel and cause as much damage as possible.
A shame, really.
But well executed, so I guess congratulations, mr. Mokk. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2806
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Posted - 2016.12.30 00:31:01 -
[69] - Quote
Vlad Cetes wrote:Also Arrendis, the place he would be kept would require over 100 Drifters to attack just to destroy him, it is properly fitted after all.
Or a rorqual and a dozen dreads.
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Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
99
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Posted - 2016.12.30 05:52:48 -
[70] - Quote
After Action Report: Operation Haji
Objective: Infiltrate and destroy services on the citadel: Grand Temple of the Red God
Intelligence: Citadel had been reinforced by Amarr Orthodox forces and assaulted by special operations forces, decimating work force.
Method: Acquire a new workforce that could infiltrate the citadel and perform the mission. Acquired several undesirable humans: Free Slaves, Homeless, Tourists, and Marine guards. Implant each one with a remote control TCMC. Also surgically remove gallbladder, appendix, part of liver, part of small, and part of large intestine. Insert in the cavity a Imperial Armaments model HBIED-175 matter/antimatter sapper charge along with remote and timed detonators.
Result: Undesirables turned over to Nauplius in the citadel and moved inside. Detonations did occur (our firing circuits showed that all successfully detonated). Require sending in a reconnaissance team for battle damage assessment. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1040
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Posted - 2016.12.30 07:39:46 -
[71] - Quote
So is this the thread where we pretend we can bypass the very same security measures that have - with 100% success rate so far - kept capsuleers on all sides from turning stations and hangars into slag for well over a decade? Okay okay, I got one too. I just totally activated my Fleet Typhoon's weapon systems inside a station. Oh and had armed forces in the hangar which totally means the station was invaded too.
For some reason the hub station in Amarr seems unaffected, and the freeport Citadels nearby too. Can't imagine why. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2814
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:41:12 -
[72] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:So is this the thread where we pretend we can bypass the very same security measures that have - with 100% success rate so far - kept capsuleers on all sides from turning stations and hangars into slag for well over a decade? Okay okay, I got one too. I just totally activated my Fleet Typhoon's weapon systems inside a station. Oh and had armed forces in the hangar which totally means the station was invaded too.
For some reason the hub station in Amarr seems unaffected, and the freeport Citadels nearby too. Can't imagine why.
Eh ... there's apparently no dispute among the various people involved that it happened, Miz. I gather Mr. Mokk managed to bypass the safety lockouts somehow, so I guess there was a vulnerability somewhere.
I wouldn't expect Upwell or CONCORD to leave it alone, whatever it was. Probably the patch is already in place by now. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2808
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Posted - 2016.12.30 15:00:31 -
[73] - Quote
Well, with Mokk, I'd assume Nauplius let him land to make a sale. |
Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
500
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Posted - 2016.12.30 15:08:15 -
[74] - Quote
A madman being a bit slapdash with the official security implementations?
Inconceivable.
Das ist schmutzig, falsch und moralisch höchst verwerflich. Bin dabei.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2816
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Posted - 2016.12.30 16:06:07 -
[75] - Quote
Praevus wrote: Just a cursory side note - but you already were "stripped of personhood" once, ms. Jenneth. And, what does you new ego has to say about the one that existed before? Aria Jenneth wrote:In another sense, the person with those memories is a really unhappy person. Maybe I shouldn't be forgiven my past just because I can't remember it anymore, but, knowing that it's hard to draw a hard, principled line between her and me doesn't make me want to be her. It's just irrational, basic human fears, like fear of death, or fear of change. You were remade anew in a random, barbaric, destructive way, but yet you got accustomed to it, grew another personality around it, like a tree grows around the damaging object and lives on, and now don't want to go back to your previous self you consider really unhappy. It's all relative, you see.
Actually I'm way less horrified by her than I was when I first found out who I was.
Also, I've never been stripped of personhood, only of my personal memories. It was touch and go for a bit whether I'd be allowed to be "Aria Jenneth," but nobody could find a better copy, so, I got to be treated as a person instead of a patch of temporarily malfunctioning biomass. (I'd argue I was a "person" anyway-- just, maybe not one who was legally supposed to exist. It seems like there are places where the law chooses to be cruel because the alternative is to be crazy.)
So, here I am, arguably a usurper if the original "me" is still out there somewhere. Then again, she abandoned this identity and disappeared, so....
I don't say she was an unhappy person as a matter of moral judment; it's more just a sense I get about her from her public essays and private journals: that she was really depressed. I do seem to have a little both physiological and psychological predisposition towards depression, but it's not just that, either.
She self-identified as a murderer and a monster, and even if she went out of her way to justify being both of those things, comparing one's self to an organ-eating, shape-shifting fairy tale creature that pretends to be a sweet little girl or young woman so it can murder whole families in their beds isn't ... normally something happy people do?
I wouldn't think?
Her last "Children of Naught" essay, "End State," described floating away on a sea of abstraction and uncaring nothing, which is pretty close to the symptoms of clinical depression-- pathological apathy, being unable to care.
It also indicated that she had departed from the capsuleer class. Wherever she went, I hope she found some peace.
So, yeah. I don't think her having been a pretty unhappy person is very relative, except in the sense that there might be people who are even unhappier. It doesn't seem like something that ought to be some kind of race, though.
I do think morality is relative, but I also think that it's okay to say there are things human beings shouldn't do. So did she, but I try not to be the kind of person who says things like, "If I'm human, I should slit my own throat." I try to be someone I can be okay with living as, as a small and kind of fragile mortal being, not as a monster or a god.
And I think I'm a little happier for it. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1043
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Posted - 2016.12.30 16:36:01 -
[76] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:So is this the thread where we pretend we can bypass the very same security measures that have - with 100% success rate so far - kept capsuleers on all sides from turning stations and hangars into slag for well over a decade? Okay okay, I got one too. I just totally activated my Fleet Typhoon's weapon systems inside a station. Oh and had armed forces in the hangar which totally means the station was invaded too.
For some reason the hub station in Amarr seems unaffected, and the freeport Citadels nearby too. Can't imagine why. Eh ... there's apparently no dispute among the various people involved that it happened, Miz. I gather Mr. Mokk managed to bypass the safety lockouts somehow, so I guess there was a vulnerability somewhere. I wouldn't expect Upwell or CONCORD to leave it alone, whatever it was. Probably the patch is already in place by now.
Mmm. A completely unprecedented event took place using some unknown and undocumented 'bypass' that would with certainty have led to immense and horrifying destruction and carnage across New Eden - hell, I'd be one of the people doing it - should this have been documented somehow. But no, one capsuleer came up with this bypass and used it to swat a clown a bit.
I think I'll just err on the side of reason and sanity here and say everyone involved are likely making something up. It wouldn't be all that surprising given the backlash against Sinjin already, that he convinced his trading partner to play along with a little charade.
A bit more likely than a sudden, unique and completely unprecedented vulnerability appearing, and just as quickly disappearing without some pretty hefty notice taken by certain official entities.
In the mean time, I'll be sending some sternly worded letters to the Emperor Family station managers in Amarr demanding an explanation as to why my imaginary Typhoon Fwoosh and quite real armed militia baseliners haven't taken control of or destroyed that station yet. That's just rude, isn't it? I mean, since we're apparently capable of such things. |
morion
Lighting Build
167
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Posted - 2016.12.30 16:38:05 -
[77] - Quote
Aria Jenneth your split away from reality be that what it may is evolving nicely;
into what I have only curiosity in the strange places your mind goes.
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Praevus
17
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Posted - 2016.12.30 16:57:41 -
[78] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:So, yeah. I don't think her having been a pretty unhappy person is very relative, except in the sense that there might be people who are even unhappier. It doesn't seem like something that ought to be some kind of race, though.
I do think morality is relative, but I also think that it's okay to say there are things human beings shouldn't do. So did she, but I try not to be the kind of person who says things like, "If I'm human, I should slit my own throat." I try to be someone I can be okay with living as, as a small and kind of fragile mortal being, not as a monster or a god.
And I think I'm a little happier for it.
So, in the end, the change was for the better, and this is good - not only for the current you, but, perhaps, for many others as well.
Perhaps, you might take this into account one day when putting a bullet in the head of a "monstrosity" that you would consider a victim, "stripped of personhood", for example, by works of the Nation.
Because, the victim in question might not think of self as a victim at all, be totally sure that the change was for the better, and fight tooth and nail to prevent their new state of body and mind taken from them. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2817
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Posted - 2016.12.30 17:07:10 -
[79] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I think I'll just err on the side of reason and sanity here and say everyone involved are likely making something up. It wouldn't be all that surprising given the backlash against Sinjin already, that he convinced his trading partner to play along with a little charade.
Believe what you like, Miz. It probably won't matter a lot for anybody involved. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2817
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Posted - 2016.12.30 17:18:43 -
[80] - Quote
Praevus wrote:So, in the end, the change was for the better, and this is good - not only for the current you, but, perhaps, for many others as well.
Perhaps, you might take this into account one day when putting a bullet in the head of a "monstrosity" that you would consider a victim, "stripped of personhood", for example, by works of the Nation.
Because, the victim in question might not think of self as a victim at all, be totally sure that the change was for the better, and fight tooth and nail to prevent their new state of body and mind taken from them.
I'm aware.
But just because a perspective is sincerely held, doesn't bind me not to snuff it out. If it's one held by a hostile version of myself, it might make it all the more important that I do. |
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Praevus
17
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Posted - 2016.12.30 18:42:52 -
[81] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources. So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow.
...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
410
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Posted - 2016.12.30 18:44:37 -
[82] - Quote
Praevus wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources. So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow. ...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet.
I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
502
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Posted - 2016.12.30 18:53:19 -
[83] - Quote
Patience. It's early days to call a definite lifelong purpose for a second-year capsuleer, and none of these things are mutually exclusive in any case.
Das ist schmutzig, falsch und moralisch höchst verwerflich. Bin dabei.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2821
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Posted - 2016.12.30 20:07:06 -
[84] - Quote
Saya Ishikari wrote:Praevus wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources. So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow. ...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet. I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger.
I hope so. I'm not sure that line's very clear to me in all cases.
Jev North wrote:Patience. It's early days to call a definite lifelong purpose for a second-year capsuleer, and none of these things are mutually exclusive in any case.
The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.
It's a belief in tune with Sani Sabik principles, corrosive of social bonds-- and thus, of civilization itself. It erodes trust on both the individual and community levels, encouraging people to exploit and betray each other for their own advantage and advancement.
The Takmahl already charted this course for us. Taken as a model for behavior on a large scale, it's a formula for collapse. It only works if the "truly worthy" have a durable structure of trusting people to abuse and exploit, which is probably why Sani Sabik has been more successful as a parasite on other civilizations than as a civilization unto itself.
The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.
It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.
I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.
Right now, I have a light I want to follow, myself. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
411
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Posted - 2016.12.30 20:11:30 -
[85] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:Praevus wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:I have a role to play in this world, Mr. Praevus. I accepted that I would be a killer the day I chose to be useful in the ways my training and resources made possible, instead of just live off of those resources. So, you are a weapon, Ms. Jenneth? This is, of, course, a path as good as any other, but your intellectual capacity suggests that you could be so much more. A thinker. A mastermind. A philosopher and an artist, defining the paths for the future generations to follow. ...Oh well, one day we'll see the world where those who are truly worthy can realize the entirety of their potential. But alas, not now, not now yet. I, for one, personally admire an intelligent "weapon". Such an individual knows when not to pull the trigger. I hope so. I'm not sure that line's very clear to me in all cases.
All we can do is what we can do, miss Jenneth. That you concern yourself at all is admirable.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Praevus
17
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Posted - 2016.12.30 20:55:54 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.
It's a belief in tune with Sani Sabik principles, corrosive of social bonds-- and thus, of civilization itself. It erodes trust on both the individual and community levels, encouraging people to exploit and betray each other for their own advantage and advancement.
The Takmahl already charted this course for us. Taken as a model for behavior on a large scale, it's a formula for collapse. It only works if the "truly worthy" have a durable structure of trusting people to abuse and exploit, which is probably why Sani Sabik has been more successful as a parasite on other civilizations than as a civilization unto itself.
The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.
It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.
I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.
Right now, I have a light I want to follow, myself.
I see that the Empire faifthul had quite an influence on you, Ms. Jenneth. Anyway, good luck on your chosen, or yet unchosen, path.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2821
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Posted - 2016.12.30 21:09:09 -
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Praevus wrote:I see that the Empire faifthul had quite an influence on you, Ms. Jenneth. Anyway, good luck on your chosen, or yet unchosen, path.
Kind of inevitably, yes. It's tricky to build a society that lasts for four thousand years without having a few good ideas. I'm not sure I'm actually much closer to being one of them, though. The whole "God" thing is a bit of a sticking point.
Even so, this is pretty much "home." Probably for the foreseeable future.
Be well, pilot. I kind of get the sense we might be talking a few more times. |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy
Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2016.12.30 21:51:46 -
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I've got something of an idea where you're at, Jenneth, in one sense. I've never lost my memories (that I know of), but I've had to start over more than once in life. Give it time, make a plan if you can, and you'll do alright. Best wishes on the matter, even if i did take a bit of glee in heckling your corporation at the time you were your old self. |
Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
504
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Posted - 2016.12.31 00:48:20 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:The whole "achieving your full potential" idea is a pretty pernicious piece of work, anyway. Directly or implicitly, it encourages the idea that "the truly worthy" should "realize the entirety of their potential" ... at whatever cost to others.
Like they say, somebody who tells you you're destined for great things is probably trying to fleece you in some way. Go short on the ones who think they themselves are destined for greatness. (And stay out of their direct path.)
Aria Jenneth wrote:The last time I played the philosopher, I tried to carve out a new Path of Achur practice-- a way of understanding our place in things, a moral code. It was basically hostile to the idea that we were even still human beings.
It was an arrogant thing for me to do, though I guess I was a little desperate at the time.
I hope I'll be slower, this time, to do such things. After all, one who lights a trail of beacons for others to follow while lost, herself, is apt to end up just leading people right into whatever abyss she ends up in.
Oh, I don't know, that's going pretty hard on your former self.
I think the grim tone of her writing was a consequence of the pain she was experiencing; she didn't want to be a human being, because she realized on some level that she'd make a pretty dodgy specimen of one. The paradox there is that this understanding, the capacity to feel this guilt and the perceived need to be punished for it with dehumanization, arguably made her more of a decent human being than most capsuleers.
Your existence might be an interesting resolution to that paradox.
In any case, I found her philosophy useful as a springboard for my own, if you can call the smattering of thoughts I have on the subject a philosophy. I think there's a great deal of merit in some of the core ideas -- taking a bird's eye view of our existence as a caste in society, figuring out what our values and mores towards each other and the rest of the Cluster should be.
I think the needle on the question of whether we are human or not is still quivering somewhere on the "Yes" side of the scale, but that ultimately, it's not a very relevant question. Being human doesn't get us a place at the table by itself. Not being human won't excuse us of anything. We'll have to carve.. no, let's say make -- a space of our own to live.
Who lives literally by stuff they read off the IGS, anyway?
Das ist schmutzig, falsch und moralisch höchst verwerflich. Bin dabei.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
146
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Posted - 2017.01.04 22:57:23 -
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Vlad Cetes wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vlad Cetes wrote:Already tried that, TEST gatecamp ended that escapade.
Why would I bother taking him through a gate? Just dock up, rent a hangar, and leave him there. Put him onboard a facility so far out in nullsec any of his friends or mercenaries cannot rescue him
And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2837
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Posted - 2017.01.05 03:06:26 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him
None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours. |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
897
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:00:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours.
Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1853
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:02:41 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Arrendis wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours. Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.
You do realise that you are asking for a permanent settlement to be erected around Napkin's prison?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2838
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:21:17 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.
Which means you're advertizing where he is. No matter what you put in there, it's always possible to amass enough force to overcome the defenses for a few hours. |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy
Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2017.01.05 18:11:34 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Arrendis wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:And I would personally deal with any mercenaries who try to rescue him None of us can be everywhere at once, Slayer. Not even an organization the size of yours. Don't need to be everywhere, just on the gates and station in the system you're keeping him in.
Think small. Very small. A grandiose set of protections are a red flag, and a dream come true for someone like myself. And while I'd never take a contract to do anything that might help this guy, it will be someone just like me who would. |
morion
Lighting Build
174
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Posted - 2017.01.05 19:32:38 -
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If you / I ever meet the RED God ask them for a toy train. |
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