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Posted - 2003.12.28 06:53:00 -
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Please rename the region currently known as Querious to "The Fix". The people who have been living there forever should have some influence upon the naming of number designated areas. Renaming the afore mentioned region would add depth to the game, and players can point to the REAL not imagined history and development in the region by its etymology. This is good thing, why make fantasy when the real story is FAR more compelling? Please post your support here for changing the name, if we get enough posts I'll bet it gets changed. thanks : )
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Atandros
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Posted - 2003.12.28 07:31:00 -
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/me supports 
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Pripps
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Posted - 2003.12.28 10:23:00 -
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You got my support.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.12.28 10:45:00 -
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pleaase change it back....PLEASE
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.12.28 11:17:00 -
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I had a whole long rant in another thread about this same topic, but in summary, random (and lame...seriously, Querious? That name wouldn't last 10 seconds on the playground with my 10 year old cousin, much less with some of the people in this game) remove players hope that they can effect the game in any way. When the random afterthoughts of Devs can overwhelm months of local culture without news or explaination, something is wrong.
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MSDborris
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Posted - 2003.12.28 11:36:00 -
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/got my support
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voogru
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Posted - 2003.12.28 13:48:00 -
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This has my support too.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.12.28 15:22:00 -
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there are official names, and there are nicknames. Querious is the official name, you can call it whatever the hell you want to. The idea of naming systems was brought up in a potw and probably wont be thought of more untill player statons with formalized ownership of space. First and foremost, squatter rights arent enough, pay for it.
this unoriginal idea belongs somewhere else.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.12.28 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sphalerite on 28/12/2003 16:09:33
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there are official names, and there are nicknames. Querious is the official name, you can call it whatever the hell you want to. The idea of naming systems was brought up in a potw and probably wont be thought of more untill player statons with formalized ownership of space. First and foremost, squatter rights arent enough, pay for it.
JK-FIX was the official name, then without IC or OOC explaination some dev decided he liked Querious better. What's to stop them from naming it Potato Chip next week and 6TRE-21 the next?
Why should we care about anything IC if they'll just change or remove it on a whim? It's not like they renamed a quake map here, this is supposed to be our home.
We're not asking for it to be renamed "CFS southern holdings" or something, we just want our old name and some sense of permenance back. If they don't want alphanumerics, Fix or the like would work fine.
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this unoriginal idea belongs somewhere else.
Where would you suggest we review this feature of the latest patch?
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.28 17:44:00 -
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PLZ Name it M0O-PWN
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.28 17:46:00 -
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L3-3TY?
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Silmarien
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:16:00 -
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I support this too..
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Missa
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Missa on 28/12/2003 22:38:20
Dear Devs.,
Please rename the region "Querious" back to "JK-FIX" like it used to be. For countless reasons that have been stated over the last few weeks and the glaring undersight in the name change as it too closely resembles something which might be seen as offensive to English speaking members of the playerbase (which there are a lot of). Frankly it puts CCP in a bad light , one which I don't want to see them in. I am sure that whatever person renamed it had no ill intentions when they did so. But this is one change like the "5% drop in all ratings" which not only makes no sense, but was not asked for, and seems to be against what many players would like to see in the game.
Please reconsider changing Querious to a less offensive name please.
*added* Another thread that also supports this change:Click Me
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2003.12.29 04:12:00 -
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Motion ninthed
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Nareau
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Posted - 2003.12.29 04:16:00 -
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/supports
JK-FIX is much better then "Querious".
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Xailia
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Posted - 2003.12.29 04:45:00 -
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I support it, even though I don't live there. 
I'd suggest it being named just plain 'Fix', as JK-FIX is meant to be a temporary name, but since people started calling it 'The Fix', it works as an official name.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.12.29 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 29/12/2003 09:25:18
Yep please change the name back to the FIX.
Tal
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2003.12.29 09:53:00 -
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Better still how about letting those with good standings with the NPC corporations (if any) in a region use their influence to "petition" for any given name change?
Sort of like:
1. you need a standing of at least X to submit a "name" for a "vote"
2. everyone who has a positive standing with ano of the NPC corps. settled in that region can then "vote" for one of the submitted options.
3. based on number of stations (influence) by each NPC corp. in a region and the standings with those who voted, a "winner" is chosen.
Or something like that... not thought it through thouroughly though... and you'd need some way of ensuring even less "suitable" names than Quirious get chosen... 
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.03 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 03/01/2004 04:07:01
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Better still how about letting those with good standings with the NPC corporations (if any) in a region use their influence to "petition" for any given name change?
Sort of like:
1. you need a standing of at least X to submit a "name" for a "vote"
2. everyone who has a positive standing with ano of the NPC corps. settled in that region can then "vote" for one of the submitted options.
3. based on number of stations (influence) by each NPC corp. in a region and the standings with those who voted, a "winner" is chosen.
Or something like that... not thought it through thouroughly though... and you'd need some way of ensuring even less "suitable" names than Quirious get chosen...
Standing with NPC corps present in the region would be a Bad Idea.
Do you really think that the empires would agree to naming a region based on the wishes of the criminal corporations (Serpentis, Angel Cartel, etc.) that inhabit most of the "unnamed" regions?
I do agree that players should be allowed to have some influence on naming. They named a planet in the Amarr Empire after Ecliptic, why not call JK-FIX "The Fix" as most players apparently called it?
I agree, Querious is a crap name. I'm not an inhabitant of that area, but I support naming it something better than Querious.
OTOH I think Period Basis is a cool name.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.01.03 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Redundancy on 03/01/2004 16:42:59
Querious isn't in the dictionary, and the rules of pronunciation do allow a certain lattitude (especially for the person that coins a word) in the pronunciation of e.
You could either pronounce it with a long 'e' (as 'querist') or with a shorter 'e' (bed) as 'querulous'. It's also worth noting that the word to which we're refering has an original, completely uninsulting meaning in the english language, and that the word is also undergoing a transformation by being accepted and used in a positive manner by those that it was used as a label against to diminish the offensiveness. Something similar has happened with a number of the racist labels of the past.
My personal opinion on it is that it would be a shame to rule out the use of any word which could phonetically resemble another in part which may have any negative connotations (especially if it's only ~2 syllables and I can't write SQL 'queries' any more). Given the more modern transformation of the word from something that's an insult into something that's acceptable, it may actually be counterproductive to react against this word based on the older interpretation, which could reinforce the view that the insult is still the current use or meaning.
Anyway. Just providing food for thought to provide a bit of balance to that earlier point.
Edit: I'm not arguing against the changing of the name for other reasons, such as because it's established to everyone as FIX, just debating those particular reasons.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.01.03 16:58:00 -
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interesting point, but just as the words 'query' and 'querist' aren't the same word as that, the word 'Querious' isn't either.
On a forum, there's often the nessecity of preventing the use of words that can still be used as insults despite their valid uses (although sometimes this needs to be tailored carefully for on-topic words that may get hit). The word in question isn't in common enough use as it's original meaning, and discussions of sexuality aren't on topic to the game enough to warrant it either when weighed against its possible remaining use for insult. However, you'll also notice that the forum filters aren't filtering out any of the words I've typed that sound similar.
My point is not about the original word, but about extending the coverage of possible meanings of that word to anything that sounds similar.
the word ending -ist can be described as 'denoting a member of of a profession', just as a 'querist' is derived from a root of 'query': a person who asks questions. This forms an example of a word with a 'quer' base that isn't from that word at all.
-ious implies 'full of' or 'characterised by', but querious can just as easily be a word meaning 'characterised by questions'. It's also worth noting that -ious in english forms an adjective - the controversial word under discussion is itself *already* in use as both a noun and an adjective, so using -ious to form an adjective from an existing one would make less sense than doing so for another word that doesn't have an adjective form already.
it's also easy to note that all english derivatives of that word share the same 'ueer' in the root, rather than 'uer'. This makes it unlikely to the extreme that 'querious' could actually be based off it.
As I said, I haven't got any problems with the other reasons for changing the name to something based off the popular name for the region, but I think that this particular reason is mistaken.
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Lola
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Posted - 2004.01.03 18:57:00 -
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I agreed wholeheartedly that it should be either changed back to JK-FIX, renamed to "The Fix" or some sort of in character role played reason should be given as to why the name was changed.
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true sight
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Posted - 2004.01.03 23:01:00 -
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i agree... "The Fix" would be a great name than the current one i cant even remember :)
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Serge
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Posted - 2004.01.04 21:46:00 -
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As a member of CFS that lives in this area I strongly beg you guys to change the name of the former "JK-FIX" into "The FIX" as we used it for months now.
Querious is really ridiculous :/
Thank you
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.01.04 21:51:00 -
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Plz change it back to what we've all become used to. CFS 1500 members uses "Fix" region every day.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Val Duane
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Posted - 2004.01.04 21:53:00 -
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Please, please we beg of you go back to "FIX" or similar!! As the people who live down here, we all still call it the FIX. I think pretty much everyone still calls it that.
And tbh, the name is a little offensive! Similar to maybe...um.... See C Pee would be offensive to CCP.
K Thx Bye
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Andvari
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Posted - 2004.01.04 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Andvari on 04/01/2004 21:58:15
"Fix" is what it's been known as by all of us down here for the last serveral months, and I would rather see it named as that than something that the Devs came up with off the top of their heads. (No offense.)
BTW, for me this has nothing to do with the whole "q-u-e-e-r"/"querious" similiarity at all. For me it is just that "Fix" is my home, "Querious" is not.
EDIT: Funny how that word is banned.
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Fallen SEAL
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Posted - 2004.01.04 22:03:00 -
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I support this post too.
Rename Querious back to JK-FIX (THE FIX)
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.01.05 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vacuole on 05/01/2004 01:22:02
About the similarity to that insulting word and thus thinking it's offensive...
Recently, a school teacher in the US was repremanded by the school board of education because a parent complained about her use of the word 'nigardly'. Of course, the word has absolutely no relation to the racial slur that sounds phonetically similar.
In any case, I support the idea of changing it back to 'JK-FIX' or even better, 'THE-FIX'. I think 'Querious' is dumb-sounding for other reasons. :)
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:09:00 -
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please change it
thanks
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:15:00 -
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We continue to call it 'FIX' anyway, so the new name is quite irrelevant.
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Dell
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Posted - 2004.01.05 18:03:00 -
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WE WANT "THE FIX" BACK!
thats goes for my 2 alts and my 2nd account! we all agree! so make it so!
RN Killboard
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.01.05 18:22:00 -
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Yes, change it to "Fix" or "The Fix"....
Querious sounds really akward, especially to change the name so sudden....
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Janos
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Posted - 2004.01.05 18:40:00 -
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Aye! Change it back to the Fix! I just don't identify with this new querious or whatever the heck name it is... neither does anyone else. IMO the dev's have better things to do then sit around for hours and come up with new names for systems... (like fixing bugs AHEM) Not to be nasty about it but c'mon! Whats goin on here?
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Kasha
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:08:00 -
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I vote to keep the name "Querious" !!!
I find it quite amusing that the region with the largest concentration of carebears was renamed to "Querious".
Nicely done CCP!
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2004.01.05 22:07:00 -
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I vote to keep the name "Querious" !!!
I find it quite amusing that the region with the largest concentration of carebears was renamed to "Querious".
Nicely done CCP!
0.0 region... Largest concentration of carebears...
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Jolo
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:55:00 -
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I vote to keep the name "Querious" !!!
I find it quite amusing that the region with the largest concentration of carebears was renamed to "Querious".
Nicely done CCP!
I'm amused by this, because the CFS does more PVP then all of you combined. So if PVP=Carebear, then I say engage carebear stare.
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tigress
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Posted - 2004.01.06 03:16:00 -
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Ye, the fix is what everyone calls it.. if a noob whats to get a grip - rename it :)
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ArcLight
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Posted - 2004.01.06 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: ArcLight on 06/01/2004 18:23:43
[quoteMy personal opinion on it is that it would be a shame to rule out the use of any word which could phonetically resemble another in part which may have any negative
Shame or nto you know people always shorten the type. It's just troll food.
Theres no reason why it was changed to that, Just change it back and forget about it.
And yes, the name does sound *** even if its not
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Amai Fritz
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Posted - 2004.03.09 16:09:00 -
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since it looks like ccp isnt going change it back to the fix why not go the whole way and name Fountain****ious, curse could be *******iounis, and maybe empire space could be called homosexualous? 
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.03.09 16:15:00 -
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I agree. We all call it "The FIX", forcing all new members to say "wth is 'The FIX'"?
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.03.09 23:20:00 -
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I'll add a vote to change it back to JK-FIX or "The Fix" or just "FIX"
I don't really live down there but I zip through from time to time.
Mostly I want to see it changed back because:
A) Just has a better ring to it
B) FIX is how everyone knew it anyway
C) Of ALL the things that need changing in EVE why in heaven's name is anyone in CCP spending even 10 seconds on thinking of changes to stuff like this?
D) While it is a bit of a stretch to find the word similar to a possibly offensive word in English clearly many have made that connection. Regardless of intent a game like this should steer clear of anything that smacks of bigotry. Political correctness run amok? Maybe but this is a public game with a broad user base and so an effort should be made...if only for financial reasons...to tip-toe carefully in such areas. For my money I find the word inoffensive and barely took note of it but I can see this being used as flame bait in the future (e.g. "All you q-u-e-e-r-ious peeps hangin down there", etc.)
This will be an interesting litmus test to see if CCP actually listens to its player base. Here you have an issue that is near universally agreed upon should be changed back (I think so far one person has voted to keep the new name?). It is also really just a cosmetic change and has no balance impact whatsoever and is not about one faction petitioning for a name change. Everyone just wants it put back like it was.
I wonder what CCP will do...
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Shannon Foraker
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Posted - 2004.03.10 01:30:00 -
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I remember cutting my teeth on the 50k cruisers in The Fix... So the Fix has sentimental value to me...
Querious sounds more like Queeers R Us to me...
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Avernus
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Posted - 2004.03.10 04:34:00 -
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Rename it The FIX, always has been, always will be for those of us who reside there.
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Meffert
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:07:00 -
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Rename Yulai plz!
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 10/03/2004 13:58:48
Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 10/03/2004 13:44:42
Yeah rename it, you should have seen the looks I got when I said to some corp mates "I'm in the que*r" they never looked at me like that when I said "Im in the FIX".
Rename it and stop funny looks now !!!
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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CubePusher
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:01:00 -
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/supports this to.
I donÆt go to "The Fix" all that much, infact I donÆt think IÆve been there at all other than cutting through on auto pilot, And I donÆt really care about the name but as far as requests go I donÆt think this one is asking to much. 1500 members who call that region "home" want the name changed back to something that they are used to, think about it, 1500 members, even if they are using all 3 characters per account thatÆs 500 people paying subscriptions of more or less 8000 a month. Its not about changing peoples attitudes towards a word, we're not fighting oppression here (unless you happen to be a RP mini) they just think the name sucks, and now I think about it im inclined to agree; Curse, Stain, Fountain, Outer ring, Cloud ring, Syndicate, vale of the silent, Scalding pass, Fade, Venal, Great Wildlands, Paragon Soul. So many cool names and what do these guys get? Querious.......wtf is that? 
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Conrad
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:28:00 -
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Curse, Stain, Fountain, Outer ring, Cloud ring, Syndicate, vale of the silent, Scalding pass, Fade, Venal, Great Wildlands, Paragon Soul. So many cool names and what do these guys get? Querious.......wtf is that?
Yeah if your going to rename the fix at least make a cool name. The Fix works as a great name as itself and is how Querious is referred to.
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