EVE Search - If you had ONE remap to train EVERY skill in EVE it should be PER/IN...

Check My IP Information

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

If you had ONE remap to train EVERY skill in EVE it should be PER/IN...

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 1	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:28:37 - [1] - Quote Disclaimer: This is just for fun and not very practical! (unless you are in fact planning to train every skill on one remap ) Though it could provide some insight Hi all, I was curious so I did some math to see how certain remaps would fair for training EVERY skill in EVE. Time (years) to train every EVE skill per remap (+5 implants) PRI SEC SP/Hour Time (years) per int 2,343 24.01 per mem 2,324 24.21 per wil 2,297 24.50 int per 2,293 24.54 per cha 2,263 24.86 mem per 2,262 24.86 int wil 2,236 25.16 wil per 2,233 25.19 wil int 2,223 25.30 int mem 2,220 25.35 mem wil 2,210 25.45 wil mem 2,209 25.46 mem int 2,206 25.50 int cha 2,181 25.80 mem cha 2,155 26.11 wil cha 2,153 26.13 cha per 2,135 26.35 cha int 2,102 26.77 cha mem 2,088 26.95 cha wil 2,087 26.96 nul nul 1,980 28.41 PRI = 27 + 5 = 32 with implants SEC = 21 + 5 = 26 with implants Other = 17 + 5 = 22 with implants Yes, I know there are other combinations of attributes but I only calculated the format of PRIMARY \| SECONDARY, and PER/INT is provably the fastest when training EVERY skill. I obtained these numbers by grouping all skills into their "attribute groups" based on PRI and SEC attributes, totaling the SP from these groups, applying the math for implants and remaps to each of them, and summing their totals. The equations are simply as follows: Training(minutes) = SP / ( (PRIMARY) + (SECONDARY/2) ) so... SP/Hour = ( (PRIMARY) + (SECONDARY/2) ) * 60 Example: Perfect INT/MEM remap = ( (32) + (26/2) ) * 60 = 2700 SP/Hour (with +5 implants) In fact, you can calculate any combination of implants and remaps by using the above formulas with the below data. 'Attribute Group' SP Share: Every Skill in EVE falls into one of the below attribute pairs PRI SEC Group SP cha int 7,168,000 cha mem 7,168,000 cha per 18,432,000 cha wil 3,072,000 int mem 143,616,000 int per 11,008,000 mem cha 9,472,000 mem int 24,320,000 mem per 33,024,000 mem wil 2,048,000 per wil 196,352,000 wil cha 1,280,000 wil int 7,168,000 wil per 28,672,000 TOTAL 492,800,000 Note how perception only has one combination where it's a primary attribute, and it still wins! (spaceship command OP) This next chart shows the total SP each attribute can affect as both PRI and SEC SP 'involved' per Attribute PRIMARY SECONDARY cha 35,840,000 10,752,000 int 154,624,000 38,656,000 mem 68,864,000 150,784,000 per 196,352,000 91,136,000 wil 37,120,000 201,472,000 So yeah, most of this information isn't particularly useful, but I hope you've had some fun viewing it! PLEASE actually USE your remaps :) If you have any questions or want me to calculate something with other combinations let me know, I couldn't upload anything as I've done this at work, but I may be able to create a spreadsheet at home later if anyone is interested. And please let me know if you find any errors as this was all done manually -THE PROG
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 1	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:28:54 - [2] - Quote reserved
Frostys Virpio Yet another corpdot. 3041	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:32:50 - [3] - Quote The only "useful" conclusion I get from that is that charisma sucks.
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 1	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:35:04 - [4] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: The only "useful" conclusion I get from that is that charisma sucks. well... PER/CHA at #5! But yeah the worst by FAR as it's used in the least skills and the (mostly) least useful
Frostys Virpio Yet another corpdot. 3041	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:51:57 - [5] - Quote THE PROG wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: The only "useful" conclusion I get from that is that charisma sucks. well... PER/CHA at #5! But yeah the worst by FAR as it's used in the least skills and the (mostly) least useful Worst primary and even worse secondary. It's in its very own class of bad.
Kamala Sakar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2017.01.04 17:58:22 - [6] - Quote I like to start of with Int 23/Per 21/Mem21 myself. Most early core skills are Int/Mem and for the others it still provide a decent SP/Hour score. Diplomatic envoy on the Forum
Memphis Baas 2659	Posted - 2017.01.04 18:01:37 - [7] - Quote Yeah we know. But here's a thought exercise: Assume you want to use as few of the bonus remaps as possible, and compare the speed of training the skills a newbie would typically need to train at first, including some basic Social and Trade, and compare the speed gain from Per/Int vs. the default (no remap), and tell us if you think it's worth wasting a remap to go Per/Int. As opposed to leaving your attributes as they are for the first month as you train basic skills to about 3, and THEN remapping Int/Mem for a year to get the support skills trained enough for prerequisites for T2 ships.
Othran Route One 761	Posted - 2017.01.04 18:36:25 - [8] - Quote After the first couple of years (bonus/holiday remaps were more of a thing then) I went on a 3 year per/will; will/per plan and am now at the end of my last ever 2 year int/mem plan. Its all bollox now anyway as you can do it all in minutes with SP injectors. Drones/Leadership stuff are the only outliers to deal with if you're not using injectors.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58183	Posted - 2017.01.04 19:11:23 - [9] - Quote +1 to the OP, that's definitely some good work. I don't do Neural Remaps since I basically do a lot of jumping around training different skills. I have my attributes set up like a 'Jack Of All Skill Groups'. Also I'm not sure where my Attributes would be rated in your list. Attributes & Augmentations : Intelligence 22 +5 Improved Perception 20 +5 Improved Willpower 20 +5 Improved Memory 20 +5 Improved Charisma 17 +5 Improved DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 4	Posted - 2017.01.04 19:29:05 - [10] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: +1 to the OP, that's definitely some good work. I don't do Neural Remaps since I basically do a lot of jumping around training different skills. Because of that I've set my attributes up like a 'Jack Of All Skill Groups'. Attributes / Augmentations : Intelligence 22 / +5 Improved = 27 Perception 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Willpower 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Memory 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Charisma 17 / +5 Improved = 22 Anyway, I'm not sure where my Attribute set up would rate on your list. DMC Your mapping does pretty well for training all skills: SP/Hour Time (years) custom 2,274 24.73

Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1365	Posted - 2017.01.04 20:30:06 - [11] - Quote No need to wait 24-28 years, it can be done in just a couple of hours: http://eveboard.com/pilot/IronBank Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1176	Posted - 2017.01.04 20:42:35 - [12] - Quote What would Per 5 Intel 4 and Will 1 work out too? Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 5	Posted - 2017.01.04 20:51:38 - [13] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What would Per 5 Intel 4 and Will 1 work out too? Not sure what you mean, you get 14 remap points if everything is reset to lowest
Akali Mid Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2017.01.04 21:06:50 - [14] - Quote There were MANY skills removed and added to the game in 10 years, you have no guarantee that this is how it's gonna be for 20 years, and probably it will not. CCP can change skills, can change training, can change attributes, hell they can even remove training. And lastly if you wanna train 100 mil sp, all you gotta do is buy 200 injectors for $300 . Or even become a GM and have your skills simply maxed out through a click of an enter key.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 635	Posted - 2017.01.04 21:51:37 - [15] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: There were MANY skills removed and added to the game in 10 years, you have no guarantee that this is how it's gonna be for 20 years, and probably it will not. CCP can change skills, can change training, can change attributes, hell they can even remove training. And lastly if you wanna train 100 mil sp, all you gotta do is buy 200 injectors for $300 . Or even become a GM and have your skills simply maxed out through a click of an enter key. Your math is terribly, terribly wrong. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Memphis Baas 2660	Posted - 2017.01.04 22:06:08 - [16] - Quote Extremely terribly wrong, heh. 1 injector = 630m ISK. First 5 million SP = 9 injectors = 5.7 B ISK. 5m - 50 m SP = 113 injectors = 71 B ISK. 50m - 80m SP = 100 injectors = 63 B ISK. 80m - 100m SP = 134 injectors = 84 B ISK. Total 100m SP = 224 B ISK = 224 PLEX = $4,000
Akis Talanas School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 10	Posted - 2017.01.04 22:40:54 - [17] - Quote Aren't you people have other hobbies than to post strange mathematics that no one cares about? :-) This is a game and no math class...... Man i hate this theory craft thing in all its forms like hell...... And everybody else should think the same..... :-)
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1177	Posted - 2017.01.04 23:29:57 - [18] - Quote THE PROG wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What would Per 5 Intel 4 and Will 1 work out too? Not sure what you mean, you get 14 remap points if everything is reset to lowest Yes my bad Im thinking the ten points and forgot the other 4. So would be Per 6 Intel 6 and Will 2. /me goes outside behind the barn with a gun Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 58191	Posted - 2017.01.04 23:30:50 - [19] - Quote THE PROG wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: +1 to the OP, that's definitely some good work. I don't do Neural Remaps since I basically do a lot of jumping around training different skills. Because of that I've set my attributes up like a 'Jack Of All Skill Groups'. Attributes / Augmentations : Intelligence 22 / +5 Improved = 27 Perception 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Willpower 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Memory 20 / +5 Improved = 25 Charisma 17 / +5 Improved = 22 Anyway, I'm not sure where my Attribute set up would rate on your list. DMC Your mapping does pretty well for training all skills: SP/Hour Time (years) custom 2,274 24.73 Thank you for figuring that out. I also wanted to add that I don't use Skill Injectors either. Course I did use half a dozen of the Blood Raider Cerebral Accelerators gained from The Crimson Harvest event a couple months ago. Was nice having +10 added to my attributes, each one lasting for 48 hrs. I will definitely take advantage of that option again whenever it becomes available in the future. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Black Locust Black Flag CommonWealth Fidelas Constans 12	Posted - 2017.01.05 09:58:40 - [20] - Quote Thank goodness I found this thread, I was only just this morning contemplating what to do for the next 20 years of my life I am useless at managing remaps, too focused on Gunnery / Spaceship Command, so support skills normally suck to train ( Damn you fighters 5 )

Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 267	Posted - 2017.01.05 13:23:11 - [21] - Quote Akis Talanas wrote: Aren't you people have other hobbies than to post strange mathematics that no one cares about? :-) This is a game and no math class...... Man i hate this theory craft thing in all its forms like hell...... And everybody else should think the same..... :-) It seems you hated your english classes as well.
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 12	Posted - 2017.01.05 19:16:59 - [22] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: THE PROG wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: What would Per 5 Intel 4 and Will 1 work out too? Not sure what you mean, you get 14 remap points if everything is reset to lowest Yes my bad Im thinking the ten points and forgot the other 4. So would be Per 6 Intel 6 and Will 2. /me goes outside behind the barn with a gun It would be at #3 on my current list: SP/Hour Years custom 2,311 24.34 Keep in mind you can't beat PER/INT overall, but yours would be more flexible.
morion Lighting Build 174	Posted - 2017.01.05 20:26:08 - [23] - Quote The autism is strong .
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 814	Posted - 2017.01.05 21:00:59 - [24] - Quote Nice info. I think it would be much more useful back in 2003 when people had no clue what to do with attributes. For example Chribba once told me he had a bad start with his attributes, I am guessing they did not have remap back then.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15802	Posted - 2017.01.05 21:14:46 - [25] - Quote We did not have remaps back then no, took what like 5-6 years before remaps got into play All hail Dr Caymus for picking the right ** back then! /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba**

u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 814	Posted - 2017.01.05 22:21:49 - [26] - Quote Chribba wrote: We did not have remaps back then no, took what like 5-6 years before remaps got into play All hail Dr Caymus for picking the right **** back then! /c Haha, that was my 2nd thought. If Dr. Caymus was first, he must have picked the correct attributes. Well, it mattered until last February. Glad to see the "Eagle eye" is watching the Internet, Chribba.
THE PROG WHAT THE HEK. 16	Posted - 2017.01.08 17:28:00 - [27] - Quote u3pog wrote: Chribba wrote: We did not have remaps back then no, took what like 5-6 years before remaps got into play All hail Dr Caymus for picking the right **** back then! /c Haha, that was my 2nd thought. If Dr. Caymus was first, he must have picked the correct attributes. Well, it mattered until last February. Glad to see the "Eagle eye" is watching the Internet, Chribba. Couldn't he have just trained whatever "fit" his attributes?
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 816	Posted - 2017.01.09 02:34:38 - [28] - Quote THE PROG wrote: u3pog wrote: Chribba wrote: We did not have remaps back then no, took what like 5-6 years before remaps got into play All hail Dr Caymus for picking the right **** back then! /c Haha, that was my 2nd thought. If Dr. Caymus was first, he must have picked the correct attributes. Well, it mattered until last February. Glad to see the "Eagle eye" is watching the Internet, Chribba. Couldn't he have just trained whatever "fit" his attributes? I think we're talking about Charisma here and now that he mentioned 5 years, not so much to train with it. He just chose the worst of 'em all.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15804	Posted - 2017.01.09 10:05:34 - [29] - Quote u3pog wrote: THE PROG wrote: u3pog wrote: Chribba wrote: We did not have remaps back then no, took what like 5-6 years before remaps got into play All hail Dr Caymus for picking the right ** back then! /c Haha, that was my 2nd thought. If Dr. Caymus was first, he must have picked the correct attributes. Well, it mattered until last February. Glad to see the "Eagle eye" is watching the Internet, Chribba. Couldn't he have just trained whatever "fit" his attributes? I think we're talking about Charisma here and now that he mentioned 5 years, not so much to train with it. He just chose the worst of 'em all. Yep, I went with max Charisma in the start because that sounded like a good choice, and it was only like the Leadership skills that used Charisma which was only a few million SP in total at the time /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba**

Major Trant Mass Collapse It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake 1567	Posted - 2017.01.09 10:35:54 - [30] - Quote OP - have you accounted for the fact that many of the T2 ships in Spaceship Command are mapped Primary=Willpower, Secondary=Perception. In particular: Assault Frigates x 4 Black Ops x 10 Command Destroyers x 6 Command Ships x 8 Electronic Attack Ships x 4 HAC x 6 HIC x 6 Interceptors x 4 Interdictors x 6 JF x 14 Logistics x 6 Logistics Frigates x 4 Marauders x 10 Recons x 6 Transports x 6



Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.