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Spineless Pokemon
Minmatar THe B Spies
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Spineless Pokemon on 14/04/2007 17:25:04
Quote: D2 != ASCN. We won't and can't die. Most of you are probably mad or demoralized but I see clearly where this path will lead us. We can't lose and soon our enemies will pull back home, ashamed, while we hunt them down and are being close to their heels. And if they destroyed all of our POSs and took all our stations, I will be there with 0 ISK on my wallet and in my last Omen to defeat or push back their Capital fleet. And it's not like we didn't do that before already.
The point is that I know many d2 warriors which feel the same. So it is very possible that we will build a fleet of Omens, a Revelation fleet. In enemy territory. To make them feel the pain.
Please read this and understand:
Quote: Some quote nobody cares about
Time For Changes! Most will have noticed it already there was a CEO meeting on d2 ts yesterday. We discussed 3 main subjects. These subjects are specifically:
1. Language Barrier:
Communication is one of the oldest problems mankind has. I can't understand you, you can't understand me, oh my god, your slang is horrible! I think most of you did experience that several times already. Those who participate in Fleet operations can understand the stress, after a long day at work, to find the appropriate words in a foreign language. This increases the stress level of all participants which results in the fact that people are getting nervous and petulant, communication slows down and errors and disorder appear.
This is, even it is a big problem, absolutely normal. Even when you talk proper english it still demands more effort than using his mother language.
To adapt to those problems we will go a radical way. We hope that this will solve the problems at it's basis.
From now on all fleet operations will be split in 2 gangs. Each gang will use an own teamspeak channel plus it's own fleet commander. The important point in this is the language separation. One gang will be lead in german the other in english.
This should ensure a healthy communication and a rising effectivity plus less stress and more fun, which should be the most important.
2. Improved Communication and Flow of Information
Communication and Information are the keys which the judgement of issues are based on.
In the past few months the communication was not very good inside of d2, even worse, it was miserable. Informations were only spread with the Fleet Command Orders.
Why was it like that? Well, sadly I have to say that one of the main reasons is paranoia. Metagaming increased alot the past year in Eve and it reached new planes. Forums were hacked, Teamspeak servers attacked with dDOS and in front of all we had the invention of BoB, "Social Engineering". They are proud of getting people based on untruths into corporations and to lie to the people all day and try to generate the largest havoc possible within those.
There's not much we can do about it since the moral of some people seems to be very flexible as soon as they enter the anonymity of the internet. Consequence of those actions were thinning out the informations, less writing and implementing of new security systems.
In the end it didn't contribute at all because it pushed hard on our players fun, because they were always left out in the blue and didn't know what was going on, why and when.
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Spineless Pokemon
Minmatar THe B Spies
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Spineless Pokemon on 14/04/2007 17:25:55
Quote: We will still drop the past "improvement in security" because the fun of our members is more worth than the problem of security, which can't be secured by 100% anyways.
Firstly, we will approve a few players which will post regular threads on the forums about what will/has happen(ed), when and where.
But this is only a small piece of the whole. Additionally we will build up an IRC network to erect an out-of-game communication network. This allows all people to inform themselves and ask questions where needed without being logged into eve or TS.
3. The Need of Talk
Lag is and was always a downside of eve. rising player numbers, bugs in the code and insufficient hardware made this to an almost daily problem in Eve. Larger Fleet Battles nowadays are being decided by "God Lag". Whomever has it on his side has a huge advantage which is hardly to equalize by the opposition. Most of you will agree that this is not a reason to play Eve.
At least the lag is calculable in eve. It always appears when 2 larger blobs are crushing the same system. Who jumps in first, so he gets hit by the lag? You all know it off your own experience. Still this is a point where we can start from. We will no longer create Blobs on a daily basis and relay on our luck or bein frustrated afterwards. Sometimes Blobs are necessary but not on a daily basis.
The direction of our fleets according to size will be changed. We will work more with medium sized gangs from now on. We will face the enemy under "normal" circumstances and try to reduce the lag on a bearable degree.
If the enemy thinks that he has to create a blob, we will just ignore it and look for enemies which are interested in a lagfree fight.
These 3 main subjects were discussed yesterday and become effective from now on.
Long Live D2!
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Ikarushka
Gallente A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:33:00 -
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interesting, but I kinda liked it without going into the whole quating each other's forums and emails... oh well
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:33:00 -
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The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Spies should be shot. Mods should delete these threads. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise |

Crucifier
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Well you are a nobody, slave. ------
Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) |

Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Blue Stratos The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Well you are a nobody, slave.
Actually He's KOS for his remaining 22hrs in xelas.
This thread should be deleated. Now.
God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions |

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay Actually He's KOS for his remaining 22hrs in xelas.
And the people rejoiced.  -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |

Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Baymm Spies should be shot. Mods should delete these threads.
And women should be denied the vote!
---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Blue Stratos The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Well you are a nobody, slave.
Actually He's KOS for his remaining 22hrs in xelas.

Actually he's not even a good troll... --
Might As well Train Another Race |
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Kael Zeratul
Iniquity Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:48:00 -
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You mean pressure?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Baymm Spies should be shot. Mods should delete these threads.
And women should be denied the vote!
Driving too, dont forget driving. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |

insanebe
Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:51:00 -
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BoDs meta gaming skills are indeed the best lol knowledge is power.... guard it well |

killerco
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Driving too, dont forget driving.
don't be stupid, who will drive you home when your drunk
Don't be a great man just be a man |

Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:03:00 -
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Quote:
The direction of our fleets according to size will be changed. We will work more with medium sized gangs from now on. We will face the enemy under "normal" circumstances and try to reduce the lag on a bearable degree.
If the enemy thinks that he has to create a blob, we will just ignore it and look for enemies which are interested in a lagfree fight.
Interesting! I would like that a lot, but I don't think that your "prey" will lower their numbers to make it even.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: killerco
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Driving too, dont forget driving.
don't be stupid, who will drive you home when your drunk
Taxi?  --
Might As well Train Another Race |

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: killerco
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Driving too, dont forget driving.
don't be stupid, who will drive you home when your drunk
Id rather drive myself then let a woman drive tbfh. Drunken drivers don't cause accidents, drunken drivers trying to dodge female drivers cause accidents.  -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |

Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay
Actually He's KOS for his remaining 22hrs in xelas.
My respect for Xelas has risen. Good call.
As for the OP, this just sounds like reasonable discussion within D2. Of course they are concerned, as they face a lot of very skilled opponents, but it doesn't sound like they are crapping themselves at all.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |

Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:31:00 -
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Thumbs up to D2 for cutting down on blobbing, honestly; at least they're trying to make the game a little more fun  ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for. |

Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:35:00 -
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good stuff d2.
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Mr Abbadon
Svea Rike Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 14/04/2007 18:40:24
Originally by: Blue Stratos The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Be quiet BoD slave, dont your master have some cheating to do?
D2 Hang in there, tho the night seems long justice will come and dawn will always come, no mather how long the night will be. |

R0ot
InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Abbadon Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 14/04/2007 18:40:24
Originally by: Blue Stratos The great D2 is craspping itself lol
Be quiet BoD slave, dont your master have some cheating to do?
D2 Hang in there, tho the night seems long justice will come and dawn will always come, no mather how long the night will be.
Please read the whole thread next time, he's an idiot whos being kicked from xelas, As for the op, damn spies no matter what side your on YOU SUCK 
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Hunter Vonnegut
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:50:00 -
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Quote: The direction of our fleets according to size will be changed. We will work more with medium sized gangs from now on. We will face the enemy under "normal" circumstances and try to reduce the lag on a bearable degree.
If this is true then I applaud D2's decision, there has been more than one occasion where a 40+ D2 gang was dispatched to deal with our 5-7 man gang in Fountain. I guess now though we will see if it holds true up north.
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.14 18:57:00 -
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I would like to point out that this section of the rules on posting external logs:
"The material linked to must have a constructive purpose.
This means some kind of constructive text worthy of a discussion must accompany said external links/chatlogs.
Threads with no comments and with the intention of flaming/trolling will be locked and/or deleted, as is the norm with threads of this nature."
I find no constructive text included in the original post, which was made by a one day old alt character in a one person corporation.
Therefore, I request this thread be locked.
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Brothersinarmsunite
Dusk nd Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 14/04/2007 18:55:03 Edited by: iqplayer on 14/04/2007 18:53:53 I would like to point out this section of the rules on posting external logs:
"The material linked to must have a constructive purpose.
This means some kind of constructive text worthy of a discussion must accompany said external links/chatlogs.
Threads with no comments and with the intention of flaming/trolling will be locked and/or deleted, as is the norm with threads of this nature."
I find no constructive text included in the original post, which was made by a one day old alt character in a one person corporation.
Therefore, I request this thread be locked, or more preferably deleted, as it's existence alone serves the OP's purpose.
But why wasnt the " dp's moral blog " requested to be closed?
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:12:00 -
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morale is a hard thing to judge at times. Esp in a multi language alliance
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brothersinarmsunite
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 14/04/2007 18:55:03 Edited by: iqplayer on 14/04/2007 18:53:53 I would like to point out this section of the rules on posting external logs:
"The material linked to must have a constructive purpose.
This means some kind of constructive text worthy of a discussion must accompany said external links/chatlogs.
Threads with no comments and with the intention of flaming/trolling will be locked and/or deleted, as is the norm with threads of this nature."
I find no constructive text included in the original post, which was made by a one day old alt character in a one person corporation.
Therefore, I request this thread be locked, or more preferably deleted, as it's existence alone serves the OP's purpose.
But why wasnt the " dp's moral blog " requested to be closed?
Actually, the first one was, the second was posted with a comment and no accompanying log - though tbh, I feel that one should have been locked/deleted also. This kind of post is exactly what the last two forum rule changes have been about - whether the content was pro bob, anti bob, or anyone else, this is the kind of trash we *don't* need on the forum.
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:34:00 -
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These threads suck. Just stop ffs. - - - - - - - - - -
Give this a read. |

Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:59:00 -
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lol the xelas pets are strong in this thread KOS 4TW
But before u fire, u should really ask ug where his ranis + pod went :/
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Two Minds
Twilight Void M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.04.14 20:22:00 -
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Post with your main.
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