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Morias Enkeiimon The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.05 17:44:06 - [1] - Quote Soo out of boredom I figured I would pick everyones brains on this. I used a Golem for about a year, then switched over to 2 passive rattlers. Just got tired of constantly keeping TPs on target and counting salvos and the loot value seems to have gone down hill so i dont even drop MTUs or tracor beams anymore. Have a paladin alt I blitz with a bit when im really bored. Tried a Mach but meh, lazers for life. So what do you use and why? I mostly mission when I have nothing else going on or when everyone else is busy.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2807	Posted - 2017.01.05 17:59:18 - [2] - Quote Blaster Kronos for level 4s and losec anoms. Rail Deimos for blitzing levels 1-3 for standings. Missile boats have been popular for missions since the birth of EvE, but like you I hate the salvo-counting, travel time, etc. I used drone boats for a while but got bored with the micromanagement. Having said all of that, I rarely mission anymore. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures I predicted FAUXs
Morias Enkeiimon The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.05 18:18:44 - [3] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: Missile boats have been popular for missions since the birth of EvE, but like you I hate the salvo-counting I thought about a kronos for a while, but since I had a few rattler hulls sitting around I went for the drone boat/auto target missles for some laid back lazy mission grindind. Hoping to get into a nullsec corp here soon so I can do some more fun stuff. Went exploring for a few days but it seems the profits on that has dropped quite a bit.
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1033	Posted - 2017.01.05 18:30:38 - [4] - Quote Somewhat esoteric but I like to use a boosting sentry prot or eos alt with drones assigned to a main in another Prot, Paladin, Kronos or something like that which also RR's the alt - means most of the time I'm concentrating on the one client (using faction drones with the extra HP usually means they aren't in danger).
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2807	Posted - 2017.01.05 18:34:55 - [5] - Quote Rroff wrote: Somewhat esoteric but I like to use a boosting sentry prot or eos alt with drones assigned to a main in another Prot, Paladin, Kronos or something like that which also RR's the alt - means most of the time I'm concentrating on the one client (using faction drones with the extra HP usually means they aren't in danger). True story: for a while I played around with dual-boxing level 4s in a Shield Domi with an Orca for support. I used the Orca as a mini-carrier (remote reps), as extra DPS by assisting the Domi with its drones, and as my salvage/loot platform. It turned out to be inefficient as all getout, but it was kinda fun to try and the comments it got me were priceless. Heck though, with the new Orca drone bonuses, maybe you could just run level 4s in the Orca and skip the Domi.... Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures I predicted FAUXs
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1033	Posted - 2017.01.05 20:27:56 - [6] - Quote ^^ I'm a sucker for the outside the box options - I'd rather do something interesting than necessarily efficient :D
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2409	Posted - 2017.01.05 21:57:52 - [7] - Quote For the most part I use what's in the guide, with some personal variations on the fits, or alternate ships: Everything you wanted to know about Blitzing Compiled by Anize Oramara https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knVqZEH8qFY0eT44nMEFwcKd3t4PbgcZeuv58SVUxsI/pub As for some other points: Dual boxing just annoys me as It involves clicking warp, jump, locking stuff twice, and doesn't increase the income by much. Feels like I spend more time traveling than fighting npcs. I prefer efficiency to most other things. Also I prefer blitzing as shooting too many npcs gets repetitive very quickly. I had a combat storyline where I had to kill a bunch of npcs the other day and was mentally checked out almost instantly, and wishing I had a drone or auto-targeting missile ship. Using some off the wall setup doesn't really do anything for me, pve is pretty static and it is probably something I already did, or close enough. For example I get how speed/sig tanking works so I see something like using some small ship to run large content as taking 10x as long to do something I could do in a different ship for no reason. I killed some npc battleships in a frigate as a newb, no thanks have no intention of doing that again. @ChainsawPlankto
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 1103	Posted - 2017.01.05 22:12:06 - [8] - Quote Recently omega'd my self and needed i high dmg fix to get over alphas lack of the same. This is a resulting creation pushed by a familiar philosophy of "simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential." So no tank or single slot tank hit's like a train is death wish certified and puppy adorable! Next project ima gonna do is a loki with warfare proc subsystem with all skills and implants it have better resist than just going for shield sub alone. So it gonna be warfare proc and amplification node for low sig radius then its gonna be hit with sleipnir running 2xskirmish links... Experiment expected results > loki get negative sig rad and thus create miniature black hole or inverted smart bomb effect and gobble up all NPC's in affected radius. Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
Mr Chili Palmer House of Black Lanterns 185	Posted - 2017.01.06 11:15:15 - [9] - Quote Gila as i am lazy :) "If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried" "If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1568	Posted - 2017.01.06 11:16:58 - [10] - Quote Sometimes I get an idea and want to see if it can be done, so in order to find it out, I flew a Harpy in two level 4 missions. The answer is yes. Sometimes I use just cruisers because the mission doesn't require much or any firepower. Other times I have to use what I have because another ship is out of reach at the time and I make do. My favorite, the Elm Stre- errm Nightmare. Eve Minions is recruiting. This is the law of ship progression! Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 2414	Posted - 2017.01.06 13:46:43 - [11] - Quote I like the lachesis. It doesn't show up on dscan, so the primary mission runner can't see me coming until I'm on grid. The extra long the points helps a lot. Then bring in a second account with dps and farm away. For sites where there is no gate and you can get right on top of the guy I will always prefer the curse. Cap is life and all. Scram / neut goes a long way in disabling a mjd marauder bear.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2810	Posted - 2017.01.06 14:12:46 - [12] - Quote Looking back, my most laughable mission fit was, by far, my Rokh. I used them right after they came out so I could barely fly it, I could probably face-tank Death himself with it, and I used 4/4 rails/cruise missiles. Overtanked? Check. Split weapon type? Check. Thankfully I didn't dual-tank it or it would have been a trifecta of fail. The sad thing is that it wasn't even fun. Failfits are perfectly fine as long as you have fun flying them, but this was work. I had to keep switching ammo to hit things at different ranges almost constantly and I was forever painting this, and approaching that so I could actually hit anything. Eventually I chucked it for a more conventional Raven before moving on to a Dominix and, eventually much later, my beloved Blaster Kronos. However...the flip side is that running missions in that God-awful thing taught me to swap ammo, fly manually, and time painters probably better than anything else could. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures I predicted FAUXs
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2810	Posted - 2017.01.06 14:14:25 - [13] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: I like the lachesis. It doesn't show up on dscan, so the primary mission runner can't see me coming until I'm on grid. The extra long the points helps a lot. Then bring in a second account with dps and farm away. For sites where there is no gate and you can get right on top of the guy I will always prefer the curse. Cap is life and all. Scram / neut goes a long way in disabling a mjd marauder bear. I still contend that the most satisfying way to kill a mission runner is to scram them, cap them out, and watch as the NPCs slowly do the rest of the work for you. Curses are perfect for that. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures I predicted FAUXs
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1033	Posted - 2017.01.06 15:36:28 - [14] - Quote EDIT: I had a reply but the forum swallowed it.
Lady Ayeipsia Perkone Caldari State 1301	Posted - 2017.01.06 15:49:28 - [15] - Quote My mission alt uses an Ishtar. It can run any Sister's of eve level 4 barring burner missions. The toon in question was training to be a carrier alt so had no gun/missiles skills but was a beast with drones. The Ishtar was easy to train into at that point and still works well.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 227	Posted - 2017.01.06 22:34:56 - [16] - Quote Most of the time, in my Golem, the mission goes something like this: target, target, target, target, etc. fire - pop; fire -pop; fire - pop; fire - pop; two volleys - BS, three volleys - BS; fire - pop; fire pop; etc. On just about everything, I fire once and only let the launcher cycle once. If the target is way out there, I am firing at another target before the previous one pops. But usually the target is destroyed before the launcher completes it's cycle. In some missions, I know that some elite cruisers or frigates, will just take two volleys. And is some missions, a BS may take up to 4 cycles. I just don't count. I just don't care. So for L4s, my Golem is my best choice. Boring but efficient. For L3s, a Ferox or a Tengu with rails, they both have good tanks, and both put out the same dps (except the Ferox adds drones). Use to really like the Drake, but the rails are just faster and more efficient. I don't run L2s with my Omegas, only the Alphas run them until they get to L3s. For L2s, I like Moa or Caracal. Neither has any problems, and are both efficient. Lean more to the Moa. (Could use a Cormorant, but just don't want to). For my Alphas, they use a Gnosis for L3s. A couple of missions may give them trouble, but otherwise it's not too bad. A Gnosis is just about the best they can do. Alpha in a Gnosis for L4s, quick explanation - no. I have a Gallente Alpha that likes using an Algos for L2s, or a Thorax. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Joseppi Luminari Voodoo Tribe 0	Posted - 2017.01.08 06:29:07 - [17] - Quote I have done a lot of mission running and I've found the best place to do it is null sec or maybe low depending on your faction you run missions with. I've tried many different ships and styles for each ship and weapons.. Used a AC mach a lot, then a rail vindi, then a blaster kronos and combos in between but those are some favorites. By far my most favorite and IMO the best low/null sec mission boat is the 1400mm machariel. With good skills, and navy wardens, you can apply over 1000dps at 50-70km and good dps out to 90km and almost never need to rep. You have the mobility and speed of a cruiser and you can alpha everything except battleships. I even alpha some battleships. Split your 1400s into 3 groups, 3-2-2. 4 wardens and 5 Hobs just in case. Mwd to 80km, turn on 3 tracking computers with optimal scripts, nothing will get with 50km. Group one will alpha most cruisers and some battle cruisers, groups 2 and 3 will alpha some cruisers and under. All your weapons will alpha everything under bs and usually 2 shot any bs. Wardens dice anything smaller than a cruiser.. It's perfect. If you see probes, you have a 7 second align time or less. You can heat your mwd to 2200ms and you can rep over 500dps. All with almost zero pimp except the repper. 400-500m and you have the safest, most care free, and in my experience fastest mission running available. Not to mention it's the coolest looking ship in game and one shotting everything off the field with 14k volleys is extremely satisfying. Your ammo efficient is through the roof. AC machs are ok, but you take a ton more damage, use a tonnnnn more ammo, and to have to chase things around to apply your dmg.
aldhura Perkone Caldari State 110	Posted - 2017.01.08 06:36:09 - [18] - Quote I always end up back in my golem, I don't bother to count salvo's. I do like my paladin but overall the golem performs better. Have the other 2 also but I find them a little behind in their abilities. LvL 1-3 in an 800ac macharial.
Kitty Bear Harbingers of Chaos Inc Triumvirate. 1579	Posted - 2017.01.08 13:51:35 - [19] - Quote Most fun I've had in missions has been with AF's Ishkur is fun little ship. But I'm biased, I like using drones.
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 419	Posted - 2017.01.08 14:10:10 - [20] - Quote I used to run a Rattlesnake. It's still laying around somewhere in high sec. Out in null sec I switched to running anoms with a Tengu. I have used the Tengu a couple times in L4's as well- it was about the same as the Rattler. Both were way over-tanked for high sec rats to be honest. The Rattler was because I only ran missions to get quick LP, it wasn't my main 'job' so I went with easy mode. And the Rattler was certainly that. Most unoriginal fit ever-- MJD, cruise missiles, sentries, shield buffer. Pretty much fire and forget mission running. The Tengu I just already owned and used it for missions with long runs to gates or storyline missions several jumps away. Standard Hamgu with AB and active tank.

Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 1129	Posted - 2017.01.08 15:41:03 - [21] - Quote I see the usual no missiles ships because counting salvos and travel time and my mind says what the hell. I understand if you are trying to maximize the ISK, LP or standings gains but when you are simply flying missions because bored what does it really matter if you lose one salvo. Personally I never understood the whole salvo counting anyway, I have always flown cruise and with the average ranges in a mission it has never been an issue the current volley always hits before the next one launches. OP if you are bored and do not care about ISK, LP or standings then get out of the easy mode ships. Try destroyers for level 4 and faction frigates for level 3's, either or both can be an interesting experience, or get really crazy and run your favorite Assault Frigate in level 4's that can be a real challenge. What do I fly? Golem most of the time I like the consistent speed that it kills at no matter which NPC I am fighting. Vargur and Paladin against some NPC for a change of pace. Machariel to blitz. Favorite challenge when I am bored is to run level 3's in faction frigate, and when I am in the mood for real challenge I use an Ishkur and go run level 4's.
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 125	Posted - 2017.01.08 22:41:38 - [22] - Quote I fly a rail Proteus with sometime a command/logi Proteus on a 2nd account. I do not seek efficiency, even if in some hours I do good (incl loot/salvage), but I love the Proteus and I find it simply fun
Nanoka Kohinata 17th Caldari Navy Reserves 2	Posted - 2017.01.11 05:44:08 - [23] - Quote 1) HAM Tengu for L4. 2) Bookmark. 3) Come back in Noctis with perfect Noctis and salvaging skills. 4) Profit.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2431	Posted - 2017.01.11 21:10:01 - [24] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: I see the usual no missiles ships because counting salvos and travel time and my mind says what the hell. I understand if you are trying to maximize the ISK, LP or standings gains but when you are simply flying missions because bored what does it really matter if you lose one salvo. Personally I never understood the whole salvo counting anyway, I have always flown cruise and with the average ranges in a mission it has never been an issue the current volley always hits before the next one launches. OP if you are bored and do not care about ISK, LP or standings then get out of the easy mode ships. Try destroyers for level 4 and faction frigates for level 3's, either or both can be an interesting experience, or get really crazy and run your favorite Assault Frigate in level 4's that can be a real challenge. What do I fly? Golem most of the time I like the consistent speed that it kills at no matter which NPC I am fighting. Vargur and Paladin against some NPC for a change of pace. Machariel to blitz. Favorite challenge when I am bored is to run level 3's in faction frigate, and when I am in the mood for real challenge I use an Ishkur and go run level 4's. losing one salvo every now and then, I can agree with the so what attitude. However losing a volley for every ship you shoot at, well that is adding ~8 seconds for every ship and that will add up quickly (for a cnr/golem). Miscounting volleys is worse than over kill, as the NPC might rep and require multiple volleys to finish off. Thankfully with cruise and bastion you don't have to volley count for most mission ranges. And a Barghest almost never has to volley count. Now a ham tengu fires every 2 seconds and has a ~7s flight time, meaning you can waste multiple volleys. And that is why I use turret boats, my guns stop shooting as soon as it dies and I can shoot the next sucker. and ishkur in lv4s sounds like the most boring thing ever, orbit 100km, launch drones, go afk for 3 hours because that's how long it takes for them to kill everything, I used to afk grind sec status that way. @ChainsawPlankto
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 1131	Posted - 2017.01.13 14:50:31 - [25] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: losing one salvo every now and then, I can agree with the so what attitude. However losing a volley for every ship you shoot at, well that is adding ~8 seconds for every ship and that will add up quickly (for a cnr/golem). Time spent while doing something you enjoy is never "wasted", in that context you are wrong those 8 seconds per ship simply do not matter. If you have to count volleys on a cruise missile mission ship you are flying it wrong, or you are flying it for the wrong reason. Cruises missiles are perhaps the longest ranged sub-cap weapons in the game and they fill a role that way in missions that is the wrong way to fly them. Get in close, close enough that your average flight time to target is less than your launchers cycle time and you will NEVER have to count volleys again and you minimize the "wasted" time due to missiles traveling to their targets. Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Miscounting volleys is worse than over kill, as the NPC might rep and require multiple volleys to finish off. Thankfully with cruise and bastion you don't have to volley count for most mission ranges. And a Barghest almost never has to volley count. See above about getting in close, and you will never have to count volleys again. Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Now a ham tengu fires every 2 seconds and has a ~7s flight time, meaning you can waste multiple volleys. HAM Tengu can be fun in missions and I fly one a lot because of it. On the other hand the short cycle time of the launchers makes it a terrible choice for someone that is OCD about wasted time and wasted volleys, so what I see here is someone choosing the wrong tool for the job at hand and as such this is YOUR problem and not a problem with the ship or weapons. Chainsaw Plankton wrote: And that is why I use turret boats, my guns stop shooting as soon as it dies and I can shoot the next sucker. Personal choice and given your passionate hatred for "wasting" a few minutes of time in a mission it does not surprise me. Chainsaw Plankton wrote: and ishkur in lv4s sounds like the most boring thing ever, orbit 100km, launch drones, go afk for 3 hours because that's how long it takes for them to kill everything, I used to afk grind sec status that way. You may have gone AFK in missions for standings in the past but you did not do it in an Ishkur, your OCD attitude about saving seconds would not allow you to. But then your time oriented OCD attitude is blinding you to why people may actually want ot run level 4 missions in a frigate class hull. You see one does not choose to run level 4 missions in a frigate class hull because it is efficient, one chooses to do it simply to prove that they can and once they have they usually keep doing it because it can actually make missions fun and challenging. Specifically to the Ishkur given the CPU needed to mount 2 drone link augmentors and the 2 sebos needed to even get to 100k targeting and drones control range the rest of your fit is rather limited. Oh and you will not have to worry abou wasting 2 to 3 hours when you try this because your ship and drones are not going to last that long. But hey if you want you can always use an Enyo instead then you cannot AFK and let the drones to the work, and yes I do that as well and I recommend that everyone try it at least once. Your obsessive compulsive nature towards minimum time needed is what makes missions as boring and tedious as they are. Granted there will always be a boring element to mission because you run the same ones over and over but flying the same mission, using the same optimized ship/fits, using the same time optimized tactics only magnifies the problem. Let loose of the OCD, venture into missions with a new attitude of what can I do today to make this less boring and see what happens.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2444	Posted - 2017.01.14 04:56:30 - [26] - Quote The whole point of doing all the things I do is that I'm lazy. If there is an easy and cost effective way to do something better I'm going to use it. IMO the whole point of this forum section is to help people complete missions faster as people use the isk from missions to pay for other things. I've for the most part just taken fits and advice from other people and used them to run missions and pass them on to other players. Taking on higher level npcs with smaller ships isn't a bad activity for new players, it makes sure they can keep up transversal and prioritize the right targets. I've played the game long enough that standard lv4 mission npcs just aren't a challenge, I shot battleship rats in a frig as a newb, and have never wanted to try it again. Also these days we have burner missions. I'd say it would be much more effective to practice something like feathering in a team burner mission than vs the standard lv4 missions. This thread is about preference and I'm stating my preference for not using missiles. Sure with missiles getting close helps with reducing wasted volleys, it also reduces the defender chances as defenders need a certain amount of time to catch up to the missile volley. That said cruise missiles have very long range so if the target is at 100km most of the time it is much faster to just shoot it rather than try and get close. And my preference for missiles is the barghest which shoots missiles so fast volley counting isn't a thing and most defenders can't hit them. And no I haven't flown like that (afk drones) in a long time, mostly because sec status hasn't been a problem for me, also they increased how often you could get sec status increases so it makes sense to kill the rats much faster. Also I have enough isk that afk mission isk just isn't worth it, If I want to semi pay attention I'd rather trade. Back when I did afk with light drones drone damage amps weren't a thing, and you only got a sec increase every ~15mins. The mission recon 1/3 has a bunch of high bounty BS that give good sec increases so I'd throw out my light drones and go afk. MJD sentry rattlesnake with auto-targeting missiles works pretty well for afking missions these days. @ChainsawPlankto
Kazual Jayde Virgin Plc Evictus. 21	Posted - 2017.01.14 18:29:34 - [27] - Quote Blaster Hyperion for lvl 4s. Rail Brutix for lvl 3s. Rail Vexor for certain DED sites. Enyo for courier- and scout-type missions, and for hi-sec anomalies. Far from optimal, I'm certain, but I'm having fun and learning the missions while I train into other things.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5157	Posted - 2017.01.14 19:17:13 - [28] - Quote Kronos. It rocks being the Space Police, blapping frigates frigates @70km with neutron cannons never gets old and because I'm inherently lazy. But it does come in black. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Khanid Voltar 79	Posted - 2017.01.19 01:22:40 - [29] - Quote Anize's guide for the Burners with the exception of the Talos Base (for which I use a Deimos instead of a Vagabond) Gist Missions - a Loki Serpentis Missions - the aforementioned Deimos For recon 1/2/3 and Cargo Delivery - Ares For L1 FW missions - a Tristan For L4 FW missions - a stealth bomber For when I want a beer and relax / collect insignias - a Dominix
Takh Meir'noen 24th Imperial Recon 4	Posted - 2017.01.19 22:56:54 - [30] - Quote I primarily use a Paladin with Tachyons + 3 tractors. I don't even use navy crystals. I warp in, drop an MTU, and blast everything while 5 salvage drones pick the wrecks apart. Scoop the loot and move to next pocket. I started tinkering around with an Armageddon for fun recently (as my friend is still training for a Paladin and enjoys drones) and that led to me trying out a Nestor. Now when I get Angel/Guristas missions, I usually take the Nestor out instead of the Paladin. I also don't blitz or have an alternate mission puller, etc. I put my daughter to bed, run a mission or two, and log off for the night. Most weeknights I run a L4 mission or two, and on the weekends I see how much of that ISK I can lose in PVP.



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