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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
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Posted - 2017.01.10 21:56:50 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Varrinox wrote:Why are any of you offering advice to this ******** of a person? He's the kind you leave blissfully ignorant to game mechanics whilst farming him for kills and lols. Can you kindly explain what makes me a " ******** of a person?" Cause you are either flying a stabbed ship in FW space, and people who fly with stabs in FW are scum and should uninstall eve and quit forever. Or, if you cant manage to get over 300 dps out of a ham cyclone that doesnt have stabs fit you are an idiot. Even a ful t1 fit cyclone can easily get over 400 dps, a proper fit cyclone (i.e single xlasb, t2 hams + medium drones easily does 550-620 dps). Nah, just looks like he is super noobish and fitting his Cyclone weird 'cause of that. Fitting one BCU and then there is complete mumbo jumbo in the lows. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
28
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Posted - 2017.01.10 23:27:10 -
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Oh so now I'm an idiot.
So far in this thread I've been called a"sh1head" a "******* of a person" and now I'm being called an idiot.
All I wanted to know was why the NPC ships in the large plexes have a 300 DPS tank and in doing so, I've been insulted and told to uninstall the game. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1482
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Posted - 2017.01.11 02:37:09 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Varg Euronymous wrote: This reads like the navy seal copypasta
I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands.
Alright lets hear em.
edit: Anyway to answer your original question, someone at ccp thought boosting the tank on npcs would make faction war better. CCP has constantly tinkered with npcs as if that is the answer to everthing. But at least now they do not do much damage, now they pretty much just whore on killmails.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
28
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Posted - 2017.01.11 02:52:07 -
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Cearain wrote:
Alright lets hear em.
That's the joke: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg
I was literally quoting the copy/pasta that previous poster was talking about.
But in regards to the tank on those ships - I'm in a roundabout way, pointing out that it could use some improvement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, CCP made the 300dps tank on those things so that they couldn't be solo'd by stealth bombers. I guess stealth bombers in FW plex have been really frustrating for PVP players. I think that's also why those battlecruisers are able to move REALLY freaking fast sometimes. Have you seen the top speed on those things?
I think it could use some improvement though. There's no obvious answer that I know of, so even though the 300dps tank isn't an ideal solution (if I'm right at all about the tank being designed to deter stealth bombers from being able to farm large plexes), at least it gets the job done and hitting over 300dps on a battlecruiser isn't hard to do. I just prefer to fit my ships A) Cheap enough so that I can blow through tons of them without worry about my wallet. And B) with more versatility in the lowslots; which usually comes at the cost of DPS. For me, that cost in DPS pushes 300dps out of my range (while in a cheaply fit cyclone).
The short term solution for me, is to simply switch to flying the hurricane. The cane has two bonuses to damage, which makes it much easier to hit 300dps. I like the cyclone a lot. I like how it's got both an offensive bonus and a shield boost bonus. I love how the cyclone has two utility highslots, rather than just one. But if I want to fly it with cheap modules and fit it for the kind of versatility/defensiveness that I want to fit it for, then I'm going to have to give up on the idea of it soloing large FW plexes. And well.. doing ANY FW plexes at all, since it can't fit into anything smaller than a large anyway.
Okay so that's what I have to say. Back to you guys, come at me with your "sh!thead" / "****** of a person" / "idiot" comments. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1482
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Posted - 2017.01.11 03:11:56 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Cearain wrote:
Alright lets hear em.
That's the joke: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg I was literally quoting the copy/pasta that previous poster was talking about. But in regards to the tank on those ships - I'm in a roundabout way, pointing out that it could use some improvement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, CCP made the 300dps tank on those things so that they couldn't be solo'd by stealth bombers. I guess stealth bombers in FW plex have been really frustrating for PVP players. I think that's also why those battlecruisers are able to move REALLY freaking fast sometimes. Have you seen the top speed on those things?
Ok I haven't really been reading all the posts - I admit it.
But stealth bombers in plexes was never really an issue as far as I know. People didn't like SBs running missions so ccp changed that I think.
The thing is the npcs in plexes are just a hassle and I would just as soon they were removed, but at least they were nerfed. It used to be that the rats would spoil pvp by stupid ewar and considerable dps. It was bad. Bottom line is I think most veterans of fw know fw sov has bigger problems than the npcs.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
28
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Posted - 2017.01.11 03:16:52 -
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Oh no doubt. The introduction of Citadels has likely made big changes in FW. You can no longer lock out the enemy by flipping an enemy system like you used to. They can just keep re-shipping in a Citadel inside the same system (if I understand this correctly).
And when they introduced Fozzie-sov, the I-hubs in FW stayed the same, where it's just either a long-ass grind for a small group, or you gotta bring a big group to bash the ihub. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, I just noticed that it remained the same in the face of Fozziesov. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
470
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Posted - 2017.01.11 03:53:37 -
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Anyways, if your ship doesnt do enough damage use damage mods. Not using t2 if you can is stupid and you always should. Stay out of BCs if you arent very good at the game, a t2 fit svipul will do enough dps to break the npcs too and its much easier to get away in one.
Also, plexing large plex offensively as a solo pilot isnt that smart. Especially in something easy to beat like a battlecruiser. But if you insist on doing it get a proper fit and not what you have been flying. (there are 2 good cyclone fits (and variation of those), single xlasb ham or dual xlasb ham) |
Abyss Azizora
DODGING
189
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Posted - 2017.01.11 19:52:48 -
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260 dps on a battlecruiser? My "ewar" T1 cruisers do 350+ dps with drones and 2 unbonused launchers, and they don't even have damage mods.
Something is very very wrong with how your fitting that battlecruiser. |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
387
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Posted - 2017.01.17 07:53:11 -
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You need a minimum of around 450 dps to break a large plex's npc in any decent amount of time. More is better, of course. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
608
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:16:42 -
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Boozbaz wrote:I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands. Watch out! We got a badass over here!
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
473
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:31:20 -
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:/ read the thread before you make such statements, he was being sily about how to fit a ship and a cyclone but not about that. |
Epikurus
What Could Go Wrong Escalating Entropy
106
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:38:33 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Here's some real advice: Go stick with a dessie until you have the proper skills to fly a cyclone. Did you just focus all your training into Minmatar BC V and ignored all your support skills and/or missile/drone skills? Here's some real advice to you buddy: don't assume that I haven't trained the skills up. Stick to the newbie forum if you're going to talk condescendingly to people. I'm at 30 million SP and level 3 mastery with both the cyclone and the hurricane. I can use T2 everything on the ship, without requiring engineering rigs or fittings in the lowslots. Yes my drone skills are up to Par, I can field 5x T2 medium drones - however I use 2 sets of small drones, one set for damage, and one set for EWAR. Thank you very much. Oh yeah, then you're probably wondering why I use meta 4 mods and T1 stuff on the ship. The answer is simple: When my cyclone blows up, the insurance covers the cost of the ship AND my fittings. All I lose out on in the 15 million isk it takes to get platinum insurance on it. I can lose literally 100 of these things and only lose 150 million isk. From what I understand, the reason the ships in the large plexes have 300dps tanks, is to deter people from running them in stealth bombers; however, I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.
So you think you should be able to farm large plexes for the price of a T2 fit destroyer. There is a pretty obvious reason why you can't.
Also, isn't this in the wrong forum? Surely stabbed plex farming advice belongs in missions and complexes, not warfare and tactics. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
29
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Posted - 2017.01.17 19:50:29 -
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It wasn't stabbed and holy smokes the e-peen waving in this thread is becoming atrocious. If you're not going to add something constructive to the discussion, then don't add anything at all.
Here's a quick question:
Did you read the thread accurately?
If you think the ship was stabbed, go back, and read it again. THEN add something CONSTRUCTIVE to the discussion. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3601
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Posted - 2017.01.18 08:54:42 -
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use a fit which gives you 450+ dps and you should be fine. The faster you kill the rat the faster you close the plex. Plexing in a group works too. You don't want to reload three times before that thing is dead.
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1331
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Posted - 2017.01.19 14:27:08 -
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ISD Fractal
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
38
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Posted - 2017.01.19 15:16:36 -
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Feels like this is more of an issue with your T1 fit on your BC as opposed to a generic issue with BC in complexes.
For example... with a completely naked Myrmidon using all skills to V and 3 ogre I, 2 hammerhead I... you get 288 dps. Throw on a couple of DDA and you're at 375.
And that's just T1 drones and T1 DDA's. No guns at all. |
Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
214
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Posted - 2017.02.10 08:56:47 -
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If you want to save money use a cruiser with T2 guns and drones.
Something like this has 500+ DPS while being sub 20mil (you mentioned that you lose 15mil per BC so with insurance this loss should be about the same)
[Rupture, FW plexer]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control I Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150 J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Upgraded 'Malkuth' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x5 |
Zarek Kree
Wartime Refuge
22
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Posted - 2017.02.13 21:30:12 -
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This has always been my preferred fit for a large plex:
[Catalyst, FW Cat]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner [Empty Med slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
It's essentially a gank fit Catalyst with an afterburner. It speed tanks all of the FW plex rats while putting out 612 DPS at all Vs (I get about 550 DPS out of it with my skills - more than enough for the large plex). Cost is about 11M isk.
Only downside is that it's a glass cannon. It'll lose to every PVP ship in the game, but it's small, agile and cheap. |
Ne0SHNIK
NISMO RACING
3
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:51:23 -
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Q: Why is it that when I go out in a battlecruiser with 263dps, I can't break the tank on the NPC inside the large FW Plexes? A: Because you don't have enough dps
Q: Why are they so tanky? A: To make sure that you bring more dps than to a medium plex.
Q: I'm sitting here, in my BATTLECRUISER and it's not able to kill me, and I'm not able to kill it. It's a waste of time. Why is it like this? A: You can bring a TITAN with 263dps and it still won't be able to kill the NPC in large plexes. You just need a fitting that does more dps. Doesn't matter the ship type.
Q: I can't take my battlecruiser into medium plexes, it seems like battlecruisers are pretty much useless in FW when it comes to plexing unles s you are able to break 300dps. A: BCs have been nerfed, but most BC fits can do more than 300dps.
Your biggest problem is that you expected to fit a BC in t1 fitting and be able to do large plexes. Now you learned that your expectation is incorrect. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
58
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Posted - 2017.02.22 03:09:13 -
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This is the thread that never dies. |
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
709
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Posted - 2017.02.22 12:34:50 -
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Boozbaz wrote:This is the thread that never dies.
you bumped it yourself.
Just Add Water
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