Why is it that when I go out in a battlecruiser with 263dps, I can't break the tank on the NPC inside the large FW Plexes? Why are they so tanky? I'm sitting here, in my BATTLECRUISER and it's not able to kill me, and I'm not able to kill it. It's a waste of time. Why is it like this? I can't take my battlecruiser into medium plexes, it seems like battlecruisers are pretty much useless in FW when it comes to plexing unles s you are able to break 300dps.

260 dps is very poor dps for a Battlecruiser, some frigs can that so its about right that its not enough dps to run larges. What fit are you using?

Here's some real advice:
Go stick with a dessie until you have the proper skills to fly a cyclone. Did you just focus all your training into Minmatar BC V and ignored all your support skills and/or missile/drone skills?

Here's some real advice to you buddy: don't assume that I haven't trained the skills up. Stick to the newbie forum if you're going to talk condescendingly to people. I'm at 30 million SP and level 3 mastery with both the cyclone and the hurricane. I can use T2 everything on the ship, without requiring engineering rigs or fittings in the lowslots. Yes my drone skills are up to Par, I can field 5x T2 medium drones - however I use 2 sets of small drones, one set for damage, and one set for EWAR. Thank you very much.

Oh yeah, then you're probably wondering why I use meta 4 mods and T1 stuff on the ship. The answer is simple: When my cyclone blows up, the insurance covers the cost of the ship AND my fittings. All I lose out on in the 15 million isk it takes to get platinum insurance on it. I can lose literally 100 of these things and only lose 150 million isk.

From what I understand, the reason the ships in the large plexes have 300dps tanks, is to deter people from running them in stealth bombers; however, I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.

[quote=Yang Aurilen]I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.

Actually you are arguing that anyone in a s**t fit battlecruiser should be able to farm large plexes with minimal cost and outlay to yourself.

Why shouldn't a "s**t fit battlecruiser" be able to farm large plexes?

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Arcturus Ursidae, it's nice to get a reasonable response from somebody - instead of insulting or condescending responses like above.

In the remaining lowslots:
Missile Guidance Enchancer
Damage Control Unit
Signal Amplifier (faster lock time, harder to use target jamming on me)

edit: I will also add that NPC resistance profiles do matter in Faction Warfare.
If you are fighting Amarr... you want EM and Thermal based weapons.

The only NPCs that have a "flat" resistance profile are; Sleepers, Drifters, and Incursion Sansha. That is it.


And yes... this is coming from someone who did Faction Warfare for YEARS.

Specifically to kill the BS, you don't need a guidance enhancer, and you don't need faster lock time. Medium weapons will hit a BS hull just fine. Lock time will be just fine.

Shahs fit should be a noticeable improvement, I'd probly switch his Cap Booster for a web or point... just in case stuff happens.

Here's some real advice to you buddy: don't assume that I haven't trained the skills up. Stick to the newbie forum if you're going to talk condescendingly to people. I'm at 30 million SP and level 3 mastery with both the cyclone and the hurricane. I can use T2 everything on the ship, without requiring engineering rigs or fittings in the lowslots. Yes my drone skills are up to Par, I can field 5x T2 medium drones - however I use 2 sets of small drones, one set for damage, and one set for EWAR. Thank you very much.

Oh yeah, then you're probably wondering why I use meta 4 mods and T1 stuff on the ship. The answer is simple: When my cyclone blows up, the insurance covers the cost of the ship AND my fittings. All I lose out on in the 15 million isk it takes to get platinum insurance on it. I can lose literally 100 of these things and only lose 150 million isk.

From what I understand, the reason the ships in the large plexes have 300dps tanks, is to deter people from running them in stealth bombers; however, I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.

I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands.

I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands.

Why are any of you offering advice to this ******** of a person? He's the kind you leave blissfully ignorant to game mechanics whilst farming him for kills and lols.

Can you kindly explain what makes me a " ******** of a person?"

Cause you are either flying a stabbed ship in FW space, and people who fly with stabs in FW are scum and should uninstall eve and quit forever.

Or, if you cant manage to get over 300 dps out of a ham cyclone that doesnt have stabs fit you are an idiot. Even a ful t1 fit cyclone can easily get over 400 dps, a proper fit cyclone (i.e single xlasb, t2 hams + medium drones easily does 550-620 dps).

I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands.

Alright lets hear em.

That's the joke: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

I was literally quoting the copy/pasta that previous poster was talking about.

But in regards to the tank on those ships - I'm in a roundabout way, pointing out that it could use some improvement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, CCP made the 300dps tank on those things so that they couldn't be solo'd by stealth bombers. I guess stealth bombers in FW plex have been really frustrating for PVP players. I think that's also why those battlecruisers are able to move REALLY freaking fast sometimes. Have you seen the top speed on those things?

I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and IGÇÖm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. I can kill you in over 700 ways with just my bare hands.

Here's some real advice to you buddy: don't assume that I haven't trained the skills up. Stick to the newbie forum if you're going to talk condescendingly to people. I'm at 30 million SP and level 3 mastery with both the cyclone and the hurricane. I can use T2 everything on the ship, without requiring engineering rigs or fittings in the lowslots. Yes my drone skills are up to Par, I can field 5x T2 medium drones - however I use 2 sets of small drones, one set for damage, and one set for EWAR. Thank you very much.

Oh yeah, then you're probably wondering why I use meta 4 mods and T1 stuff on the ship. The answer is simple: When my cyclone blows up, the insurance covers the cost of the ship AND my fittings. All I lose out on in the 15 million isk it takes to get platinum insurance on it. I can lose literally 100 of these things and only lose 150 million isk.

From what I understand, the reason the ships in the large plexes have 300dps tanks, is to deter people from running them in stealth bombers; however, I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.

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This is the thread that never dies.