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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:26:00 -
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Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
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hedfunk
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:29:00 -
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 Originally by: ghosttr
Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
Sounds like the Privatees if you ask me.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:34:00 -
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:45:00 -
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lol how is a cloaked sniper like a nanophoon.. other than its a battleship..
unless they use large bubbles in conjunction with this then its pointless. They arent hard to kill anyway...
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:51:00 -
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Cloaked snipers have been around as long as you could fit a cloak on a sniper BS.....
Sorry, thats a really obvious statement. To clarify these things have been around for years. Even if the thing is sensor boosted if it doesn't have tacklers or a bubble then it's not going to do squat unless you are:
A) Slow boating to the gate on autopilot when at war / in lowsec (see: suicide)
or
B) Asleep at the helm when at war / in lowsec (see: suicide)
The impact the cloaking device has on the ability of the battleship to lock is huge, enough time to either warp off or MWD back through the gate.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:52:00 -
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uuuuh uhhhhhhhh its the game....sighs and collapses lifeless
Are you like spokesperson for lone weak 'sniff boo hooo' ships society
None covert ship with cloak is gimped enough with lock time associated with
uncloaking. Near enough no speed when cloaked.
If your gonna hang around long enough after he uncloaks then hmmmm perhaps you need a nano ship
so you can erm nano away or something.
Oh wait weren't they nerfed or something by the lone weak 'sniff boo hoo' ship we know best
politically correct society.
Surely instead of whinging about such things be inventive and counter these threats with a lil ol
ingenuiety.... you might even enjoy the game a lil more.
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:57:00 -
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Option 1: Add Shield Extenders/Hardeners to your Badger
Option 2: Bring some sort of escort.
Option 3: Set up a trap or do something clever.
Wheres the problem again? 
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Kirell
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Posted - 2007.04.15 07:58:00 -
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here's an idea. when you next find a sniper using a cloak get your own covert ops ship, cloaked sit near his location, and warp in your heavy hitters at close range. now he can't cloak and he can't run. viola!
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Lobo13
Beyond-Redemption
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.15 08:13:00 -
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lollerskates.
If you can't deal with cloaking, which already presents challenges to the user, then you need to maybe take a look at said mod and try it yourself mate.
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Alyth
Gallente
Ma-Ven Industries
Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
1. Takes you beween 2 and 5 seconds to lock him so he can't cloak
2. Takes him a fair while before he can even attempt to lock. With his nerfed scan res.
3. Where exactly is he going at 15m/s?
I see no issue tbh
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Happydayz
The Greater Goon
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:14:00 -
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:22:00 -
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STFU dude, seriously. Gate snipers already got nerfed enough, if they cloak thats fine enough by me its a valid tactic.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:28:00 -
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Maybe this character is making a sarcastic post because they are nerfed too much ?
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Kaar
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:34:00 -
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Hahahaha...Stop posting.
Now.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:36:00 -
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The annoying thing about cloakers is that they can sit there for hours and hours, with no way of flushing them out or getting rid of them. Its been a problem for a while though.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
The annoying thing about cloakers is that they can sit there for hours and hours, with no way of flushing them out or getting rid of them. Its been a problem for a while though.
I say let them sit there for hours and hours cloaked... watching the real pvpers have fun. Each to his own man
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Nelcordran
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
The annoying thing about cloakers is that they can sit there for hours and hours, with no way of flushing them out or getting rid of them. Its been a problem for a while though.
oh no the sniper rokh is sitting cloaked at teh gate so that he cant atack me move very far distances or warp were all going to di......wait how is this a problem if someone wants to sit afk in a cloaked ship instead of loging off then whats the problem?
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jizzmonkey
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Cloaked snipers have been around as long as you could fit a cloak on a sniper BS.....
Sorry, thats a really obvious statement. To clarify these things have been around for years. Even if the thing is sensor boosted if it doesn't have tacklers or a bubble then it's not going to do squat unless you are:
A) Slow boating to the gate on autopilot when at war / in lowsec (see: suicide)
or
B) Asleep at the helm when at war / in lowsec (see: suicide)
The impact the cloaking device has on the ability of the battleship to lock is huge, enough time to either warp off or MWD back through the gate.
This.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.04.15 10:09:00 -
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hm so this person didn't pay attention in low sec and got wtfpwned by a bs that decloaked.. waited out the timer before he could lock, lock, shoot u, kill ur ship before u got to the gate or were able to warp away from the gate so now everybody should think this is another cheap trick and ccp should nerf it?
Now if the bs had decloaked and immediatly started locking u, now that would have been interesting (cuz that would have been one hell of a nasty exploit hehehe)
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Dregann
Amarr Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:10:00 -
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Jesus as soon as you whiners get one thing nerfed, you find another thing you want nerfed aswell. STFU
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
Funny. Comes from a guy in an alliance who has to send 35 people to kill a lone raven, and fails. Or have 100+ people in local, and still are able to loose stuff in some interesting ways
Just because you fit a claok on a ship doesnt make it uber, we have fought guys who has tried doing the same... and again they failed. Get a clue and stop blobbing.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:17:00 -
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Yes, we are in their space, killing them 
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Captain Rickdick
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:21:00 -
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LOLS 
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:31:00 -
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To the OP: any idiot that allows his hauler to be killed in the time that it takes to uncloak, lock a hauler and then destroy it w/ a cloak fitted sniper BS deserves to die anyway. How incompetent can you get?
Because I said so...
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:36:00 -
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Cloaked snipers have been around for donkey's years, even used to use one myself two years back (when 7x magnetic field stabilizers was the order of the day)... 
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/04/2007 11:36:13
Cloaked snipers are not the new nanophoon... unless cloaks only fit on phoons all of a sudden? Not that I would mind, minnie being the hit and run race and all.
Minnie should be like NOD in Command & Conquer 3. :)
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:44:00 -
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Cloaked snipers are seriously gimped, you gotta suck hardcore to be in a ship that can be one-shotted by them hanging around somewhere long enough for them to get lockon. Remember, SB's are stack nerfed now and 50% sigrez reduction on the cloak bites hard.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:58:00 -
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 Even I'm not that experienced in PvP and I can tell cloaked snipers are not the new nanophoon.
Seriously, it takes between 10-15 seconds to just LOCK you, let alone the 0.5-1 second delay of getting his weapons online and firing on you.
10-15 seconds is more than enough to get a non-travel-fitted hauler out of there, or out of a bubble with a MWD.
Seriously, get a clue will you?
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.15 13:14:00 -
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lol looks like the op don't know how to uncloak a bs sitig
on top of a gate nr 1 he is slow 2 he has low scan reslusion making it hard to lock you 4 stopp afk hauling in low sec
5 He is a easy target interceptor ftw
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 13:28:00 -
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I luv nubs
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:01:00 -
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I love this!!!!! Frege and Rise are the only ones saying yeah nerf it. Is it because Burn Eden are fing you up, or are soon to f you up? Lets take a look at this shall we.
CCP took away our stabs.... torps,
gave you more hp, speed.
WTF else do you want CCP to do. Face it you guys are bad, we will continue to kill you, now stop whinnig about cloaks, I cant shoot you when Im cloaked, so suck it up, and give me more faction loot!
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:19:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the cloaking sniper Phoon.
What I always wished for though is the ability to warp to any ship (not just gang mates). Not sure why this is not allowed. Some way this imbalances things I am missing?
My only real problem with the sniper setups is that you need to be a sniper yourself to hit back. If you try to drive to them they are looong gone before you ever get there. I know...get a tackling covops out there but still...would like more than just that one option.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:21:00 -
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And people think I whine.....
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Passcal
Darksaber Technologies
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:34:00 -
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I'll probably get into trouble for saying this but the problem is with the people in charge of the gangs trying to catch the burn eden guys they wont listen to any one else's plans and carry on warping blobs from gate to gate.
The burn eden guys tactics are really good so we would need actual tactics to find/catch them.
I'm a stealth bomber pilot and they're doing what I do to people so when I mention tactics that would screw me over in a SB no one pays attention.
So basically I've got fed up and moved else where for the time being.
Also the people who are getting killed are getting caught coz either they aren't listening to intel or not thinking at all. (or in some cases trying to catch them by themselves)
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 17:10:00 -
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lmfao
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Preliator
Caldari
The Wolves' Pack
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Posted - 2007.04.15 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Even I'm not that experienced in PvP and I can tell cloaked snipers are not the new nanophoon.
Seriously, it takes between 10-15 seconds to just LOCK you, let alone the 0.5-1 second delay of getting his weapons online and firing on you.
10-15 seconds is more than enough to get a non-travel-fitted hauler out of there, or out of a bubble with a MWD.
Seriously, get a clue will you?
Yup, and on top of that you have the 20 seconds of sensor recalibration after uncloaking before you can lock anything
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Passcal
I'm a stealth bomber pilot
LOL
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2007.04.15 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
I just have to say .. You should be podded in real life.. along with all ur clones.. / friends & such ... YOu utter utter -Snips self-
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Passcal
Darksaber Technologies
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Passcal
I'm a stealth bomber pilot
LOL
 Don't mock Stealth Bombers, they not bad little ships when theres a few together.
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Seraphax
Caldari
Aranas de Guerra
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.15 19:59:00 -
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yeah and they make big bangs when a DD goes off by them
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Passcal
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Passcal
I'm a stealth bomber pilot
LOL
Don't mock Stealth Bombers, they not bad little ships when theres a few together.
Yeah and a hundred ibises are great. But if those idiots in the noob ships decided to fly battleships instead, they would be a lot more effective. Ship for ship, stealth bombers are amongst the worst ships out there. Having lots of them isn't a good thing, its a lost opertunity to field mroe effective ships.
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Drasked
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:38:00 -
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[The ship that just WTFBBQ'd me]: The new nanophoon
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:53:00 -
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Burn eden has been using this for awhile and we employed it recently to fend off an attack by a much large opponent on our homespace, and eventually drove them off after popping alot of their cruisers and tacklers from 150km out (though not all out snipers were cloaked, we saw great advantages in adapting this tactic for the future). It has a great demoralizing effect, and the cloak itself has enough drawbacks as to not make them overpowered.
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.16 10:12:00 -
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Cloaked sniping BSs are fine. The thing that ****es me off is that every single NPCer fits a cloak and insta-safes and cloaks as soon as I enter local. A lot of them even fit a cloak and a stab. It angrifies me. 
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Dregann
Amarr Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.04.16 11:05:00 -
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OMG i just got killed by a bunch of haulers
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.04.16 12:00:00 -
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i never understood why each and every ship can fit an (inpenetrable) cloak....
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Xexy
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Posted - 2007.04.16 12:53:00 -
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I guess this thread has nothing to do with the fact that BE is having a 100:1 kill ratio against your alliance, does it?
Using cloaked snipers is not a new tactic, been around for ages. Adapt or die.
Tank god BE comes and stir upp the NAP fest in drone regions. Good work!
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Tannach
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.16 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
Cloaked sniping BSs are fine. The thing that ****es me off is that every single NPCer fits a cloak and insta-safes and cloaks as soon as I enter local. A lot of them even fit a cloak and a stab. It angrifies me.
QFT, or even worse, logging when someone enters system.
Originally by: "James Lyrus"
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 13:35:00 -
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What's new about cloaked snipers? They've been around since i started playing more than a year ago (and they've been around way before that)
Annoying as hell though, yes. Cloak should take cap or something so pilots cannot sit cloak indefinitely
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.04.16 13:57:00 -
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get a frigate with a fast transversal and lots of mids
fill the mids ALLLL with sensor boosters and an afterburner (or mwd, if your frig has too low a base speed). When the guy uncloaks lock him, and get that transversal up. He cant recloak and will sudenly get really nervous.
For added comedy, uncloak a recon next to him, and watch him get his **** pushed in.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:07:00 -
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I am almost to a point I could fly a Nano-BS... and it gets Nerfed...
I can use a Cloak... must be time to nerf that...
What else can I learn so it can get nerfed?
Noob in training...
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NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Passcal
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Passcal
I'm a stealth bomber pilot
LOL
Don't mock Stealth Bombers, they not bad little ships when theres a few together.
Yeah and a hundred ibises are great. But if those idiots in the noob ships decided to fly battleships instead, they would be a lot more effective. Ship for ship, stealth bombers are amongst the worst ships out there. Having lots of them isn't a good thing, its a lost opertunity to field mroe effective ships.
Actually, not so fast there shin ra. The problem SB's have really traditionally have come down to bang-per-buck. But that seems to of shifted with the changes in the t2 market at the moment.
Now, assuming one has GOOD missile skills, including Cruise V and all the missile support skills up to at least IV, a manticore can be built for under 20mil, with an improved cloak , named launchers, some istabs in the low and a rack of sensor boosters (and maybe a passive targetter for psychological reasons) in the mid.
That 20 mil ship , can engage at 100kms, and hit a hauler for 1200hp per salvo at a rate of a salvo every 6 or 7 seconds, aligned and able to gtfo at the first lock.
ASSUMING that 'core is partnered with a good tackler, like a dictor or a recon with good tackling bonuses, he'll provide some pretty impressive DPS to the equasion, at a cost where who cares if the ship is lost. A good manticore pilot should reasonably expect 15-20 kills per loss for a ship half the price of a blinged out crow and a tenth of the price of a T2 fitted recon. Sure, when a manticore was a 50mil investment it was a silly buy. But at 20mil fitted well, its pretty easy to see its strategic role as a highly survivable gang DPS ship.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:53:00 -
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is the op a joke.
who is going to kill you in a sniping BS with a cloak on.
Either you jumped into a camp with tacklers and bubbles (you were going to die whether the BS was cloaked or not) or you were being terribly stupid in empire.
2nd this tactic is not new at all. It was pretty lame when the snipers were loaded up on WCS, but now its not so bad.
Now a cloaked smartbombing BS loaded up with WCS. Maybe that could catch on.
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Nimitz Alexander
Golden Goose Logistics
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:13:00 -
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nah nothing wrong with this, the only problems is the continued lack of probing for cloaked ships
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Hot Spots
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:48:00 -
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The author is crazy and a nub! Unreal lol
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Barely a month has passed since nanophoons were nerfed into the stone age and yet another cheap trick has begun to plague the world of eve. A cloaked sniper works much the same way as a nanophoon, they wiil pick on lone, weak ships and when a feasible opponent comes in they will run.
I think it would be a good idea for CCP to send cloaked snipers the way of the nanophoon. BEFORE we have to face months and months of uncatchable enemies.
Rarely have I read such an ill-thought out rant.
1) Cloaks increase your lock time. You can just warp away from the sniper before he kills you. Unless he has a 150km scram fitted?
2) He can't warp without revealing position. So he is 100% static.
3) Sniping ships are incredibly vulnerable - 1 ceptor and its bye bye.
Anyway, remind everyone here whats preventing you from just warping away from these oh-so-scary cloaked snipers...
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.04.16 22:51:00 -
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Cloaking snipers isn't a problem.
Snipers with damps (the only ewar worth using, ever) are far more absurd.
Actually, Damps in general are just stupid. You can cut down locking range AND make them take longer to lock, and it's a 100% success rate? Damps need an ECM-grade nerf. I should not be able to fit a damp or two and force someone to come within BLASTER RANGE to be able to target me.
And god help them if they're already there, because I'll sit outside their locking range and just use drones, withdrawing them ever 45 seconds or so so that they never get a lock.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 16/04/2007 23:22:01
Having problems getting some arazu or [insert any other covert cloak vessel] together. Warp to gate in hauler, they decloak, you click in the exact direction of where he decloaked than move towards him. Check how much M/S you are going and calculate the ammount of time it takes to get in 20 km range. Warp another hauler to gate, they pewpew some more and lolololololol what is that! a decloaked arazu, warp rest of gang in and than pew pew them back. Or just wait for agro and jump in 10 tempest on gate and instapop a bs.
So many ways of killing em 
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