I don't think anybody complained about their race sucking at PvP. It's just bad design in a PvP game.

Arty is used for alpha, that's it. Its DPS sucks compaired to everything, and it is the shortest range "sniping" weapon. If you kill its alpha, you might as well delete it from the database.

Also, stop being dense. If every person that has replied to this thread is telling you you're wrong, you're probably wrong.

You good boy, are a complete ignorant.

Let me put it in something you can understand, I mean I hope, but I already believe it's some lost hope.

8x1400 T2 arty, with faction ammo puts 14K+ shots, I use no implants/boosters, and by shots I mean the number showing in you screen, hope you understand now.

A shield Navy Megathron, the best Megathron other than Vindi, full faction MFS's/TE's with implants whenever I can put a 4.5K shot on something with about 5sec Rof (+/-) I'm happy with.

Let me make it simple, train your skills after lvl1 spec arty and rails up to at least 4, support to 5 then come back here and say the same crap.

Hi,

I think this post was total crap from start, but I post in it anyway to rant about how stupid posts spout so often and stay so long on top of the forums.

The Fix ....


decrease artillery Alpha by 50% and increase artillery ROF by 50% ... they will do the same dps as before but lose the huge alpha strike advantage. making hybrid and laser long range turret systems more appealing then they are now.(arties probably still be better or at worst equal)

Give hybrids and lasers selectable damage type ammo like projectiles .... there is no reason not to do this ... it would bring balance as everyone could use whatever type ammo they wanted.

Gallente ships have to be the fastest and speed increased on caldari turret boats ... no other solution for blasters ... Minmatar can keep the best agility. but gallente(and caldari hybrid boats) need to be the fastest because of how blasters work. otherwise the whole system fails like it is now.

Remove all penalties from all t2 ammo for everyone .... these penalties are stupid and cause people to not use it in favor of faction ammo more often then not .... the best ammo needs to be the best ammo period.

these 4 simple fixes would bring the game into balance IMO

Suggestions and feedback are welcome DISCUSS

Ignoring all the whiny little 12yo "Nerf X because I use Y and X hurt me, Z is fine because they may be better but they left me alone." comments, could I make a simple suggestion.

The fundamental issue with minmatar is that minmatar ships can field slightly larger turrets before diminishing their tanks.

Why don't we just reduce the fitting requirements of hybrids so that they too can fit larger turrets? Mostly in the CPU req.
I'm damned sure that would solve any problems.





P.s.
Nerfing is for selfish unimaginative little sods who are only interested in their own little BOX. Are you only happy if you dominate others, why can't you learn to play with your own skill and stop blaming the tools you have. This game is somewhat balanced and will reward those who play better, perhaps the main issue is that initially, to be a successful minmatar pilot, you had to be well above the norm in player skill. So when minmatar got a buff, guess what, those above average players start to own you. Not because their ships are better, but because before, their ships were worse and they still managed to kill people regularly.

Guess what? I'll use 220mms kite fit with lots of unused grid, and you fit neutrons. How about it? Hey, bigger turrets.
Turrets: if they're Winmatar, they win.

Try that same argument against heavy pulses

The only matari ship that really needs a nerf is the cane, but then that's a tier 2 BC problem, not a minmatar problem. Kick the cane and the drake in the teeth, and call it a day.

Oh please! There is far more win to Winmatar than the cane, unlike with drake and Caldari.

Btw, it's not a tier 2 BC problem, it's a Winmatar and drake problem. Harby has no problem. Myrm has problems, but for itself, not for others.

^^Macha=Angel ship as in pirate faction ship with Falloff bonus.

Now you may continue to whine.

There really isn't, at least not from a balance perspective. The reason minmatar are so popular is the same reason that they will ALWAYS be the most popular: People like not dying more than they like winning.

If they ever did something like this they would have to compensate larger ships by giving them more high slots for more guns and what have you so they can fit smaller guns without sacrificing effectiveness against same sized ships.

It's also dumb that smaller targets can indefinitely out run larger guns.

Ergh or woot or whatever, I don't know maybe I'm still drunk but right here I read:

-that people don't like to die, therefore use the best tool to kill rather than die
-Minmatar are balanced
-Minmatar are popular because people don't like to die

I think I'm not drunk enough.

<3 Cambarus

The reason other games do it differently is because other games fall in the trap of GÇ£bigger is betterGÇ¥ logic GÇö EVE, fortunately, does not, and that will never change.

in eve we have "matar is better" logic

Ergh or woot or whatever, I don't know maybe I'm still drunk but right here I read:

-that people don't like to die, therefore use the best tool to kill rather than die
-Minmatar are balanced
-Minmatar are popular because people don't like to die

I think I'm not drunk enough.

<3 Cambarus

Again its more an issue if pulse lasers and ACs crowding out the long range turrets....


...and I'll tell you now, pulses are better weapons than ACs just ratter my crappy geddon with meta four guns does WAY more damage for better range then my meal with T2 ACs.

For all of your crying, Amarr are better hands down at fleet warfare, beucase once you get 400 people on a side alpha is no longer a boon, ROF actually lets you switch targets, and instant ammo swaps are better than 24 with artillery.

400 ppl in the same ship oh yeah everyday pvp ftw
why not just split it to two then so arties can alpha 2 at a time
i cant see how amarr is better in fleet warfare when they basically fit arties all the time , it just doesnt add up

Cambarus
not best at killing?
they can dictate when fight should happen that is the most important thing in pvp
paper dps doesnt make anything good at killing thats for sure

btw before unneeded projectile buffs they werent any less good at running away still wasnt the fotm race like now
so your idea about best runner is the most favoured is false

You are full of it.

Maelstroms can't run away from a wet fart ...and once you are fielding real numbers alpha only matters in lag, which requires 800 people in system.

Not to mention I'm not talking about EFT I'm talking bounty ticks when I have a Gheddon with BS III and and large energy 3 compared to a Mael with BS V and Large projectile spec IV

...actual real in game stuff.

From now on, whenever someone makes moronic assumptions based upon EFT numbers about ships that they obviously don't fly, I will kill someone with an artillery maelstrom.

Give hybrids and lasers selectable damage type ammo like projectiles .... there is no reason not to do this ... it would bring balance as everyone could use whatever type ammo they wanted.

I cant remember what spawns where aaa is I quess sansha or something, no wonder if an amarr bs kills them faster

WTB EXPLOSIVE LASES!!!!
Good work genius....