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Liam Fremen
Global Isk Network
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:17:00 -
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This is just a post for let everyone know that there is an ENORMOUS issue with the use of Titans regarding pos.
The fact is simple, and i will explain it in the most simple way, with the experience i had 2 days ago:
I was insisde my small pos in hostile territory, i noticed a cynosural and a freaking big gang of capitals came in, i was in my Nidhoggur and in fron of me i had a mixture of capitals, 1 Avatar, 1 Nyx, i saw an archon and some other big stuffs.
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Now my question is:
Is correct that owning an avatar/titan means that you can just negate the protection that a pos force field give? bumping out entire fleets of ships is not hard with this tactic.
I petitioned about this issue, first i was replied that is a serious issue and there will be a penality for who used it, then the second day another gm just told me that "bumping is a game mechanic, not exploit"
Oh well, so bumping stuff INSIDE a force field is accepted? i must be sincere, i'm totaly changing my mind about pos usefulness if this is NOT an exploit.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:25:00 -
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the titan can warp in... but will then be bumped out of the forcefield as he lands.
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:28:00 -
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Happens since ages even if you have a password set, people can warp in a 0km and try to bump stuff out of the forcefield.
But since there are ship maintenance arrays, which also are accessible in reinforced mode, just dont let ships float empty in a POS...
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Liam Fremen
Global Isk Network
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Liam Fremen on 15/04/2007 11:34:32
Yes but the problem is that it negates the use of the pos as "safe spot" where the fleet can wait the right moment to fight.... if you have less number they can realy take you out of the box and screw you...
at the same time they can use it when you are deploying a pos, even if you have succesfully putted online the tower they can bump out of the pos the modules that you want to anchor et similar stuff...
obviously the titan get bumped out of the shield but it takes few seconds for bumping to occur, so he bump out everything beign so enormous!!
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Kim kitori
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.15 11:59:00 -
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Hehe.. This would make a good video. Pos Humper titans.
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:11:00 -
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The next stage of Bumpageddon evolution?! 
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NotAVirus DotExe
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: NotAVirus DotExe on 15/04/2007 12:40:30
Yeah, I've watched a certain titan owning alliance repeatedly bump ships out of a POS by warping in with their supercaps. GM didn't do anything about it that time, but it does seem to be a pretty clear exploit of POS mechanics |
Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:46:00 -
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I wonder if this will work with mothership... if it will... I can just say... oh my god, profit :)
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VaderDSL
Caldari
Incoherent Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:54:00 -
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Well if you take the Titan as the unstoppable force, and the POS as the immovable object.
When a Titan warps at 0km the Titan being an unstoppable force should stop
The POS being an immovable object should move 
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.04.15 13:06:00 -
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Do we need to guess who the titan belonged to?
Seriously. Bumping is part of the game, but exploiting that little break in the code that allows your ship to enter the bubble for a second or two before being whammed out is a solid exploit.
Someone's not thinking up there.
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Slash Harnet
Minmatar
Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.04.15 13:32:00 -
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I hate bumping to begin with, but this is an exploit to the extreme.
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Taran Summers
The Merovingians
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Posted - 2007.04.15 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Taran Summers on 15/04/2007 13:46:31
Make station shields do damage on impact in relation to the velocity*mass of the ramming vessel.
P.S. - Don't announce this in the patch notes so we can see all the screams in a forum the next time someone tries it. |
madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.15 14:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Taran Summers
Edited by: Taran Summers on 15/04/2007 13:46:31
Make station shields do damage on impact in relation to the velocity*mass of the ramming vessel.
P.S. - Don't announce this in the patch notes so we can see all the screams in a forum the next time someone tries it.
pos = a lot of work putting it up, making it run. So make a safe haven than. That is, until you start pewpewing it  . Very lame bug imo
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.15 15:58:00 -
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Bowling for Battleships!
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Shrike
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen
This is just a post for let everyone know that there is an ENORMOUS issue with the use of Titans regarding pos.
The fact is simple, and i will explain it in the most simple way, with the experience i had 2 days ago:
I was insisde my small pos in hostile territory, i noticed a cynosural and a freaking big gang of capitals came in, i was in my Nidhoggur and in fron of me i had a mixture of capitals, 1 Avatar, 1 Nyx, i saw an archon and some other big stuffs.
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Now my question is:
Is correct that owning an avatar/titan means that you can just negate the protection that a pos force field give? bumping out entire fleets of ships is not hard with this tactic.
I petitioned about this issue, first i was replied that is a serious issue and there will be a penality for who used it, then the second day another gm just told me that "bumping is a game mechanic, not exploit"
Oh well, so bumping stuff INSIDE a force field is accepted? i must be sincere, i'm totaly changing my mind about pos usefulness if this is NOT an exploit.
Do you know WHY it landed inside the shields? Because you were dictor bubbling inside the shields.
So next time, check who's fault it is that it landed inside the bubble mkay?
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shrike
Originally by: Liam Fremen
This is just a post for let everyone know that there is an ENORMOUS issue with the use of Titans regarding pos.
The fact is simple, and i will explain it in the most simple way, with the experience i had 2 days ago:
I was insisde my small pos in hostile territory, i noticed a cynosural and a freaking big gang of capitals came in, i was in my Nidhoggur and in fron of me i had a mixture of capitals, 1 Avatar, 1 Nyx, i saw an archon and some other big stuffs.
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Now my question is:
Is correct that owning an avatar/titan means that you can just negate the protection that a pos force field give? bumping out entire fleets of ships is not hard with this tactic.
I petitioned about this issue, first i was replied that is a serious issue and there will be a penality for who used it, then the second day another gm just told me that "bumping is a game mechanic, not exploit"
Oh well, so bumping stuff INSIDE a force field is accepted? i must be sincere, i'm totaly changing my mind about pos usefulness if this is NOT an exploit.
Do you know WHY it landed inside the shields? Because you were dictor bubbling inside the shields.
So next time, check who's fault it is that it landed inside the bubble mkay?
No no, your in BoB! That means you MUST have been cheating/Exploiting/Hacking, because that what BoB do right? right? Its witchcraft I say!!
To the forums! The public must know!!
Oh wait...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Shrike
Originally by: Liam Fremen
This is just a post for let everyone know that there is an ENORMOUS issue with the use of Titans regarding pos.
The fact is simple, and i will explain it in the most simple way, with the experience i had 2 days ago:
I was insisde my small pos in hostile territory, i noticed a cynosural and a freaking big gang of capitals came in, i was in my Nidhoggur and in fron of me i had a mixture of capitals, 1 Avatar, 1 Nyx, i saw an archon and some other big stuffs.
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Now my question is:
Is correct that owning an avatar/titan means that you can just negate the protection that a pos force field give? bumping out entire fleets of ships is not hard with this tactic.
I petitioned about this issue, first i was replied that is a serious issue and there will be a penality for who used it, then the second day another gm just told me that "bumping is a game mechanic, not exploit"
Oh well, so bumping stuff INSIDE a force field is accepted? i must be sincere, i'm totaly changing my mind about pos usefulness if this is NOT an exploit.
Do you know WHY it landed inside the shields? Because you were dictor bubbling inside the shields.
So next time, check who's fault it is that it landed inside the bubble mkay?
No no, your in BoB! That means you MUST have been cheating/Exploiting/Hacking, because that what BoB do right? right? Its witchcraft I say!!
To the forums! The public must know!!
Oh wait...
Use fire to purge the bobbit within! 
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.04.15 16:47:00 -
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It doesn't matter how it got there, that's still an exploit. Plus even without the dictor bubble it will land inside the shields and do this, I've seen it done with carriers many months ago.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:19:00 -
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Learn to set POS passwords.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Namingway
Learn to set POS passwords.
Learn about pos's 
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:32:00 -
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if something as big as a titan bumps a pos, then the pos should explode imo 
Originally by: Merkanas
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:32:00 -
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ahh....
An entire night camping a sol with a reenforce but otherwise harmless pos.
Lots of ships inside, you are in friggies?
And thus pos-bunjee was born.
You make a diving can ~200 over the pos.
Add a target can so it creates an interesting line.
Dive to the target can @specific range (the distance of the target can from phat bs), and try to bump off the bs.
What you're looking for is to literally warp through the target bs and land like 1km in front of it. Then with some luck you will take it out with you as you get bumped off at crazy speeds.
I wonder if smartbombs could work like this...
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:35:00 -
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If Molle says so, it isn't an exploit. Well, it worked for his EULA breach ...
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Angus McLean
Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:46:00 -
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Was I the only one that noticed "Had it not been for my 5 WCS..."
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.15 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Angus McLean
Was I the only one that noticed "Had it not been for my 5 WCS..."
I saw it but meh, guy's a nub
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googleone
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Posted - 2007.04.15 22:13:00 -
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It does not matter wether you warping into his pos and potentially bumping otherwise "safe" ships out was his fault or not. Its still an exploitable tactic obtainable by whatever means - one of which has already been described by Dahin.
But i find CCP's response amusing. At first accepting that this was an exploit, and then turning around and telling us it isnt, as if the person responsible for sorting the petition suddenly thought "well hey, thats bloody hilarious, lets keep it in!"
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.16 00:31:00 -
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I'm shocked - just shocked - that the honorable BoB would ever try and use any exploit to get over on their virtual foes.
BTW, nice going Shrike. Blame the OP, and deny you had any involvement with exploiting game mechanics. BoB has such a great reputation these days, I'm sure someone will believe you.
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.16 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 16/04/2007 00:44:27
Originally by: Voculus
I'm shocked - just shocked - that the honorable BoB would ever try and use any exploit to get over on their virtual foes.
BTW, nice going Shrike. Blame the OP, and deny you had any involvement with exploiting game mechanics. BoB has such a great reputation these days, I'm sure someone will believe you.
Lol your sig is funny. If you pull your head out of your ass was there really anything bob could of done in that case? The dictor bubble pulled them out inside the pos. So should they have just not warped in because they don't want to risk the dictor bubble pulling them into the pos and possibly bumping stuff out? But no blame the dev hax and xploits and continue to hold onto them as reason your inept coalition is losing their space at a rapid rate.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.04.16 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shrike
Do you know WHY it landed inside the shields? Because you were dictor bubbling inside the shields.
So next time, check who's fault it is that it landed inside the bubble mkay?
If there were no bubble wouldn't you[or anyone in a titan for that matter] be able to warp to zero on the POS anyway and do the same thing?
Seems like something that ought to be changed/fixed whether or not the OP was at fault for putting the bubble there.
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Frit Burt
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Posted - 2007.04.16 01:42:00 -
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you know with the right cov ops setup u can rob shisp from inside a POS. we know cause we stole a thantos from a POS once. whiel it was online all guns blazing :)
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