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korrey
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 02:13:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Frit Burt
you know with the right cov ops setup u can rob shisp from inside a POS. we know cause we stole a thantos from a POS once. whiel it was online all guns blazing :)
Hehe I actually saw a mate in a crow going 12km/s and passed the bubble just long enough to steal an Eos.
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Kerosene
Caldari
Fun Inc
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.16 08:16:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Shrike
Do you know WHY it landed inside the shields? Because you were dictor bubbling inside the shields.
So next time, check who's fault it is that it landed inside the bubble mkay?
mm... so you're saying you jumped and warped a titan into an enemy POS for any other reason than to bump the guy out? It was irrelevant if he was dictor bubbling or not. Whoever was controlling your account at the time warped to that POS with the express intention of bumping that ship out and therefore exploiting.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 08:48:00 -
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please correct me if I am wrong on this.
1. BoB warped a titan into POS. they claim they had no other option, as there was a dictor bubble inside pos shield.
2. dictor bubbles only prevent warp (AoE scrambler) and do not pull out of warp ?
So either I have to look up info on dictor bubles, there was a mobile warp discuptor anchored inside pos shield, or BoB is simply covering their tactic.
I do not mean to be rude on anybody, I just want to get correct information either way.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls.... 
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:25:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
please correct me if I am wrong on this.
1. BoB warped a titan into POS. they claim they had no other option, as there was a dictor bubble inside pos shield.
2. dictor bubbles only prevent warp (AoE scrambler) and do not pull out of warp ?
So either I have to look up info on dictor bubles, there was a mobile warp discuptor anchored inside pos shield, or BoB is simply covering their tactic.
I do not mean to be rude on anybody, I just want to get correct information either way.
Bubbles pull you out of warp if you are on course towards them.
Doesn't matter either way if this was an intentional effect or not, it needs fixing in this age of supercap and pos warfare.
sgb
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:52:00 -
[35]
Tbh force field should force you to stay outside the shield even when you warp in...And bounce off the field.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 10:07:00 -
[36]
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
please correct me if I am wrong on this.
1. BoB warped a titan into POS. they claim they had no other option, as there was a dictor bubble inside pos shield.
2. dictor bubbles only prevent warp (AoE scrambler) and do not pull out of warp ?
So either I have to look up info on dictor bubles, there was a mobile warp discuptor anchored inside pos shield, or BoB is simply covering their tactic.
I do not mean to be rude on anybody, I just want to get correct information either way.
Bubbles pull you out of warp if you are on course towards them.
Doesn't matter either way if this was an intentional effect or not, it needs fixing in this age of supercap and pos warfare.
sgb
ok ... I thought only mobile warp disruptors pull you out of warp, and dictor bubbles not.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
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Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 10:19:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
please correct me if I am wrong on this.
1. BoB warped a titan into POS. they claim they had no other option, as there was a dictor bubble inside pos shield.
2. dictor bubbles only prevent warp (AoE scrambler) and do not pull out of warp ?
So either I have to look up info on dictor bubles, there was a mobile warp discuptor anchored inside pos shield, or BoB is simply covering their tactic.
I do not mean to be rude on anybody, I just want to get correct information either way.
Bubbles pull you out of warp if you are on course towards them.
Doesn't matter either way if this was an intentional effect or not, it needs fixing in this age of supercap and pos warfare.
sgb
ok ... I thought only mobile warp disruptors pull you out of warp, and dictor bubbles not.
Dictor bubbles pull you out of warp if the probe was placed BEFORE the incoming ships entered warp.
If the probe was placed after the ship was in warp, it wouldnt have made a difference.
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.16 10:52:00 -
[38]
In your hurry to escape your impending doom, did you see the Titan rebound from the POS forcefield? If so, no bug, no exploit.
If you bookmark a tower, and warp into it, you will find you fall within the forcefield. There is then a second or so delay as the servers realise you're where you shouldn't be, and propel you outside the POS forcefield.
I fail to see this as a problem, apart from highlighting how idiotic the playerbase can be at times.
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ZOMGchampion
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Posted - 2007.04.16 10:54:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Ifni
In your hurry to escape your impending doom, did you see the Titan rebound from the POS forcefield? If so, no bug, no exploit.
If you bookmark a tower, and warp into it, you will find you fall within the forcefield. There is then a second or so delay as the servers realise you're where you shouldn't be, and propel you outside the POS forcefield.
I fail to see this as a problem, apart from highlighting how idiotic the playerbase can be at times.
Well its an exploit if you have a massive ship AND are using it purposly to warp into the POS to bump ships out of the bubble.
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.16 11:10:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Ifni on 16/04/2007 11:11:02
Originally by: Liam Fremen
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Originally by: ZOMGchampion
Well its an exploit if you have a massive ship AND are using it purposly to warp into the POS to bump ships out of the bubble.
The OP doesn't clarify exactly what happened, so it's really all supposition. I will concede that had the Titan been warped in, with the intention to bounce the OP's Carrier out of POS, then yes, it would be an exploit.
However, the OP doesn't say he was bumped out, he doesn't say what happens to the Titan, he doesn't say much at all. This entire thread is simply based on accusations of BOB being cheaters, and lack of any substance from the OP. It would have been pertinent to know that there was a dictor bubble at the POS, and yet the OP failed to mention it. It would also have helped to know what happened after the Titan insertion, and yet the OP fails to mention it.
Yet somehow this is enough grounds for the bandwagon to roll on through and lo and behold, its suddenly an exploit. So, please, use your brain for what it was intended, and actually apply some thought to the content of this thread. Without more details from the OP there's no way to come to a satisfactory conclusion regarding the use of this 'exploit'.
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Galen Silas
Gallente
Lucky Hydra Corp
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:00:00 -
[41]
Has CCP thought of making POS bubbles bigger depending on the size of the POS, would make sense if the bigger the POS the Bigger the bubble surrounding it. Maybe they have this, I don't know POS's just aren't my dish
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:37:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Galen Silas
Has CCP thought of making POS bubbles bigger depending on the size of the POS, would make sense if the bigger the POS the Bigger the bubble surrounding it. Maybe they have this, I don't know POS's just aren't my dish
You mean like how small have the smallest shield size, medium a little bigger, and large have like 30km or so 
@Hugh Ruka: it makes you seem less like a tinfoiler if you find out the facts behind game mechanics before clamoring over xploitz accusations. Your following posts were fine but your initial one was pretty foily
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Galen Silas
Has CCP thought of making POS bubbles bigger depending on the size of the POS, would make sense if the bigger the POS the Bigger the bubble surrounding it. Maybe they have this, I don't know POS's just aren't my dish
You mean like how small have the smallest shield size, medium a little bigger, and large have like 30km or so
@Hugh Ruka: it makes you seem less like a tinfoiler if you find out the facts behind game mechanics before clamoring over xploitz accusations. Your following posts were fine but your initial one was pretty foily
Sorry for that.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
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Lonectzn
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:54:00 -
[44]
A mechanic doesn't have to be exploited for it to be exploitable. It's irrelevant whether bob exploited it or not.
Fact is it's an unintended effect of game mechanics, which can be used to give benefit towards the user. Unless CCP come out saying they intended for people to be able to bump ships out of POS's that have active forceshields, then it's unintended behaviour.
I'd certainly not like to see it used against me, and I could hardly call myself above the likes of RA and their past abuses of mechanics, if I condoned the same on our side.
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burning raven
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:15:00 -
[45]
Edited by: burning raven on 16/04/2007 15:11:56
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burning raven
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:16:00 -
[46]
cant help at laugh really, would have loved to have seen it lol, can imagine being bumped of a shield in that, waiting for the damn thing to come to a stop then warping back into position lol
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Chuck Dawg
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:30:00 -
[47]
Seems like CCP are calling it a 'game mechanic' to help side track people from their obvious lack in game code and even worse their lack of responcibility for things that dont work correctly.
This game is 4+ years old and yet it still have severe game mechanical errors...
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Smelt Down
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:35:00 -
[48]
BoB has been petitioned for doing this before, and GM's said it was an exploit. You can do it with motherships and titans safely, since they cannot be warp scrambled.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:41:00 -
[49]
Or maybe, just maybe, your not supposed to litter ships around inside the POS shield? Ship maintenance arrays aren't just around for the sake of it y'know.
Just somthing to consider.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.04.16 21:03:00 -
[50]
I'll throw a little oil on the fire ...
In the original post, there is not a single mention of BoB or warp bubble ... and the post is not very clear nor informative ...
The first time a bubble was mentionned was when a BoB member came here, believing it was about them, and defended the tactic ...
Anyway, I think that being able to be inside a hostile POS shield, even for just a second, is a BUG ... that you can use that BUG to bump ships outside of their own POS is indeed the definition of an exploit, no matter who used it ...
Bumping is indeed a game mechanic, but another game mechanic is the POS force field that should keep unauthorized people out of it, both are valid, but one is apparently broken, and exploited (yes, I said it) to be able to use the other (bumping) where you should not be able to.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 22:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Liam Fremen
This is just a post for let everyone know that there is an ENORMOUS issue with the use of Titans regarding pos.
The fact is simple, and i will explain it in the most simple way, with the experience i had 2 days ago:
I was insisde my small pos in hostile territory, i noticed a cynosural and a freaking big gang of capitals came in, i was in my Nidhoggur and in fron of me i had a mixture of capitals, 1 Avatar, 1 Nyx, i saw an archon and some other big stuffs.
Inside the shield pos i just feel safe as should be and i start to work for preparing the pos at the reinforced mode, meanwhile i notice the AVATAR warping at 0 Meters from the tower (he was @ 300km) and it just completely entered the force shield, i prompty understood that i would have been bumped as hell so i prepared my alt for jumping away asap, lucky i had 5 wcs so i was able to warp away and jump outside the system but if i had not 5 wcs this trick would have ****** me.
Now my question is:
Is correct that owning an avatar/titan means that you can just negate the protection that a pos force field give? bumping out entire fleets of ships is not hard with this tactic.
I petitioned about this issue, first i was replied that is a serious issue and there will be a penality for who used it, then the second day another gm just told me that "bumping is a game mechanic, not exploit"
Oh well, so bumping stuff INSIDE a force field is accepted? i must be sincere, i'm totaly changing my mind about pos usefulness if this is NOT an exploit.
Wow most people have to use pods to do that. Guess it pays to have deep pockets.
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Zeph Solaris
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Posted - 2007.04.16 22:19:00 -
[52]
bubble in the first post equals shield on a POS. There's no interdiction sphere, just a small active POS, a titan, and the player in the first post. I think this should be considered an exploid because POSs are meant to be a safe haven where strontium protects you. If a Titan can simply be allowed to knock a player out of a POS through bumping, it removes the point of having it for protection.
I dont know if this is how it's done, but on the test server, I've seen titans idle in a large POS while the player is offline. What's keeping that titan from being bumped out of the POS and destroyed? I'm sure it'd be petitioned as an exploit and immediately reimbursed. What's different between a Titan in that case or even a tier 1 frigate.
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Iron Monkey
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Posted - 2007.04.16 22:21:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ifni
In your hurry to escape your impending doom, did you see the Titan rebound from the POS forcefield? If so, no bug, no exploit.
If you bookmark a tower, and warp into it, you will find you fall within the forcefield. There is then a second or so delay as the servers realise you're where you shouldn't be, and propel you outside the POS forcefield.
I fail to see this as a problem, apart from highlighting how idiotic the playerbase can be at times.
His issue is that in the few seconds while the server realizes you shouldnt be in the bubble and bounces you out, you can still bump other ships that were in the pos out of the bubble. If you happen to be in a titan and do this, you can actually bump just about everything not nailed down out of the bubble.
So... defending force is sitting inside their bubble, contemplating how they are going to defend. In warps a titan and does a big "POS bowling" number, knocking everything out of the bubble before it bounces out. Attacking fleet can then wtfpwn all the stuff/people that got knocked out of the bubble.
^^ that would seem to indicate a bug and/or failure in the mechanics that should be fixed.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2007.04.16 22:33:00 -
[54]
Why do people read this post and go OMG Dictor Bubble or LMFAO Newb use maint array?
He was sitting inside his POS and was bumped out by a Titan taking advantage of the warp lag. He saw it coming and stabbed up. He's in a carrier, and can't really put it in the ship array quickly. The aggressors knew that, and took advantage of game mechanics to try to gank the ship.
Hell, I know exactly what bug he's talking about. Maybe some of you all have never been bounced outside a POS bubble before, but you DO warp in right on top of whatever you bookmarked, shield or no shield. And if there is a shield, you are inside it for a bit. Not that hard to understand, folks.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:14:00 -
[55]
make lame tactics a risky business by reducing the rebound range from the pos shield of an incoming enemy ship to 50km, so the pos disruptor batteries can catch it and make this pos disruptor affect all capital ships like comon ships regardless of their immunity.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:23:00 -
[56]
ok two things,
using titans or any capital to play bowling with enemy ships in a pos should be an exploit punishable by ship destruction or teleportation to jita.....
second what is the purpose of putting a dictor bubble at a pos? only thing I can think of is to suck an enemy covops or something in that warped to that moon and decloak em so the pos can pop em? any other reasons? and if that is so think that maybe that should be an exploit as well.
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 23:50:00 -
[57]
a new sport invented?
super cap bowling
lets say a fleet(1) is sitting inside a pos, they are low on numbers.....whatever...
and another fleet(2) jumps 2-3 supercap's in on the pos.
1. is it an exploit if the intention is to bump them out?(and it works)
2. would you be able to petition this?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.17 02:11:00 -
[58]
Regardless of the answer to all of these very important questions of what constitutes an exploit, can we all agree that the concept of "Bowling for Badgers" deserves a 5-minute spot on the next EveTV broadcast?
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Toki Rey
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:23:00 -
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I just saw this tactic used today, and you do not need a supercapital to do it. Gang warping normal capitals does the trick too.
According to CCP this is part of the game mechanics and it is supposed to be possible.
One of the nastier consequences of this is that cyno ships can't be stored at the pos with the intention of jumping in a fleet after the pos goes to reinforced.
The ship cannot be stored in the ship maintains array with fuel, and the fuel cannot be removed from corp hangar array after the pos goes into reinforced. Since you're supposed to be able to remove all ships from inside the pos shields, you cannot leave it there.
That leaves just two options:
- cyno fuel must be transported to the pos after it goes to reinforced by conventional means, or
- one char must be logged off at the pos/in the system in a cyno ship at all times.
This CANNOT be the way pos warfare is supposed to work.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.26 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pilk on 26/04/2007 00:09:42
Originally by: Toki Rey
I just saw this tactic used today, and you do not need a supercapital to do it. Gang warping normal capitals does the trick too.
According to CCP this is part of the game mechanics and it is supposed to be possible.
One of the nastier consequences of this is that cyno ships can't be stored at the pos with the intention of jumping in a fleet after the pos goes to reinforced.
The ship cannot be stored in the ship maintains array with fuel, and the fuel cannot be removed from corp hangar array after the pos goes into reinforced. Since you're supposed to be able to remove all ships from inside the pos shields, you cannot leave it there.
That leaves just two options:
- cyno fuel must be transported to the pos after it goes to reinforced by conventional means, or
- one char must be logged off at the pos/in the system in a cyno ship at all times.
This CANNOT be the way pos warfare is supposed to work.
Would an unanchored GSC inside the force field solve your problems?
Edit: Or, alternately, just steal the ozone from the tower's stockpile? Not sure if that works or not, I don't have a reinforced-mode POS to play with.
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