How do you know he wasn't a real person?

I mean really....if you have a stack of fed navy webs like that i wouldn't sell them all in one big pile either, I'd methodically make a contract for each one to sell them individually. If I do this often enough I can get into the rhythm of setting up mass contracts with a very similar delay between all of them much like a bot would look like.

[quote=Xercodo]How do you know he wasn't a real person?


Yes, I also post many contracts at a time. I would never, ever be able to match the speed, especially when multi-boxing.

that was a rather long winded speech just to publicly accuse a player of botting

so if he's not a bot does he get to sue for libel?

ItWith new contracts, you can list a contract every 3.5 seconds, as the bot above. This way, you can price fix stuff with unheard-of efficiency.

Hi there. I'll attempt to answer each one of the grievances with contracts to the best of my ability.

New contracts has less features than the old contracts
No, new contracts has a lot more features than the old one. The title of this thread says "New" Contracts: less features and more bots but maybe what you meant to say was "a removed feature and more bots"?

New contracts was developed without any input from the community
That is very far from the truth. Input from the community did a lot to shape the featureset of the new contracts. You can see some of the discussions on the original blog thread and in other threads at the time.
I doubt that any other feature in recent years has been developed with as much player feedback as the new contracts search (and related features). I'm frankly a little offended.

Search by description was removed in an attempt to thwart scams
We put a lot of thought into this one and I don't like to remove features.
However, in this case, we saw that the descriptions were not used much except for scamming (I don't remember the exact numbers) and were not something that was easy to use for searching.
We also saw when looking at the numbers on TQ that people were not using the description search very frequently, so this feature wasn't being used much.
Lastly, the need to put in a description and by association, the search-by-description feature were originally implemented because contracts lacked the advanced filtering that it now has.
In your example of a freeform search you mention "CNR 3x CCC", but there weren't any unwritten rules on how to format the description within the community so that particular search might get you a hit (more likely it would yield a few scams) and you would probably not get a hit on many other CNR's such as the ones with a "CNR + 3 CCC" description.

I don't see search by description returning because it wasn't much used and the new filters are so powerful.

Scammers spam local channels more because of the changes in contracts
That's interesting. I can't see any evidence to corroborate that claim. Do you have some numbers?

Sorting per page as well as per query gives rise to a new type of trading bot
I can't see any relationship between the example that you posted and this feature. Previously contracts were returned to the client sorted only on creation date and all sorting was just done per page. The addition of sorting the entire result set on date, time left or price is one of the biggest usability enhancements that contracts received. There are a few things that simply cannot be sorted on the server such as number of jumps so we allow sorting each page as well for those fields.

I don't know what you want us to fix here.

Someone who can create a contract every 3.5 seconds for over a minute must be a bot
I don't know anything about the particular example that you cited but the 'copy contract' feature allows you to create identical contracts in around ~2sec each. All you have to do is right click on the context menu in your newly created contract and click 'copy contract' and then click the next button 3 times. Takes you 2 seconds. I just tried it and created 30 contracts in a minute, very easy, and I'm not even a bot.

Why let it bother you, why not just right-click->ignore and move on?

Search in the new contracts system is broken
What is wrong with it, have you filed a bug report? Do you mean that it's 'broken' because you can't search by description or is there an actual problem that is causing incorrect search results?

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TL:DR version: "new" contracts are nice, but CCP killed one much used and loved feature. Also, there are bots. Please fix.

If you get a new contract assigned to yourself and click on the link on the summary page it jumps to the search tab and it shows NOTHING if you have set "exclude buy orders". Maybe somebody can tell me the logic behind this. I'd rather go for a reset of filters so I can really see the contracts assigned to me, instead of feeling that there's a bug or something fishy going on.

I'm not even a bot.

Hi there. I'll attempt to answer each one of the grievances with contracts to the best of my ability.

New contracts has less features than the old contracts
No, new contracts has a lot more features than the old one. The title of this thread says "New" Contracts: less features and more bots but maybe what you meant to say was "a removed feature and more bots"?

New contracts was developed without any input from the community
That is very far from the truth. Input from the community did a lot to shape the featureset of the new contracts. You can see some of the discussions on the original blog thread and in other threads at the time.
There were a lot of changes between the initial 'alpha' release and the final version. It looks like you have some bad information there.
I doubt that any other feature in recent years has been developed with as much player feedback as the new contracts search (and related features). I'm frankly a little offended.

Search by description was removed in an attempt to thwart scams
We put a lot of thought into this one and I don't like to remove features.
However, in this case, we saw that the descriptions were not used much except for scamming (I don't remember the exact numbers) and were not something that was easy to use for searching.
We also saw when looking at the numbers on TQ that people were not using the description search very frequently, so this feature wasn't being used much.
Lastly, the need to put in a description and by association, the search-by-description feature were originally implemented because contracts lacked the advanced filtering that it now has.
In your example of a freeform search you mention "CNR 3x CCC", but there weren't any unwritten rules on how to format the description within the community so that particular search might get you a hit (more likely it would yield a few scams) and you would probably not get a hit on many other CNR's such as the ones with a "CNR + 3 CCC" description.

I don't see search by description returning because it wasn't much used and the new filters are so powerful.

Scammers spam local channels more because of the changes in contracts
That's interesting. I can't see any evidence to corroborate that claim. Do you have some numbers?

Sorting per page as well as per query gives rise to a new type of trading bot
I can't see any relationship between the example that you posted and this feature. Previously contracts were returned to the client sorted only on creation date and all sorting was just done per page. The addition of sorting the entire result set on date, time left or price is one of the biggest usability enhancements that contracts received. There are a few things that simply cannot be sorted on the server such as number of jumps so we allow sorting each page as well for those fields.
I don't know what you want us to fix here.

Someone who can create a contract every 3.5 seconds for over a minute must be a bot
I don't know anything about the particular example that you cited but the 'copy contract' feature allows you to create identical contracts in around ~2sec each. All you have to do is right click on the context menu in your newly created contract and click 'copy contract' and then click the next button 3 times. Takes you 2 seconds. I just tried it and created 30 contracts in a minute, very easy, and I'm not even a bot.

Why let it bother you, why not just right-click->ignore and move on?

Search in the new contracts system is broken
What is wrong with it, have you filed a bug report? Do you mean that it's 'broken' because you can't search by description or is there an actual problem that is causing incorrect search results?

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Scammers spam local channels more because of the changes in contracts
That's interesting. I can't see any evidence to corroborate that claim. Do you have some numbers?

She did specify Jita local. If you cannot find any scammers in Jita local, then you must not be reading Jita local.

fast reply om this one ,why not replying on a 80+ one