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Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:53:00 - [1] Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Siege But, now that freighters are going to be officially dropping loot, expect many more smaller pirate corps to use the war-dec system to empty you out. Expect us to have what wars we can and spend the rest of the time ganking pasing frieghters lol YARRRR I know I ticked you off in the other thread, but I seriously SUPPORT piracy in EVE. It keeps things interesting... but come on, having the ability to legally murder anyone who leaves a NPC corp for a few bucks is just silly. Pick and choose your wars, or better yet, go to lowsec and kill everything in sight! Aye it was just unfair to presume we dont loose ships or have our problems with hostile gangs on PRIVS hunts. I havent been to jita in 3 months (and that was shopping lol) I just enjoyed the cat and mouse, small gang skirmish warfare Empire and an abundance of Hostile Allainces provides. there always a gnag "bringing it" and careless people to plunder and hunt. But that was the players at fault, for every Wartarget we caught another evdaded (scouts, ship choice, scanner + Local).... Piracy is needed, definatly. I just think that the nerf bat hit too hard, unless I get chance to crunch some numbers with the Le skunk and Surrep I cant say for sure how hard...but its bad. i think Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Sorela This stuff sounds good but I worry about the freighters dropping loot. The idea itself is good but with the current way Domi battleships can still cause massive damage even after being jammed by concord I worry it will be too easy to kill the freighters. Essentialy - nerf the domi, Then why not Dampners, ECM again (coz it still works), NOS, motherships, Cap ships, and then the noob ship with the 10m Drone bay(its a bordline exploit to use it I say!) Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:50:00 - [3] The NEW War system - coming with the nextpatch: Heres how I see the inpact: We go from a war bill of 5.5Billion and 60/70 Wars to a 5.5 Billion bill and 6 Wars.Thats a big step down. I think the major cause was the whining that we attacked small corps/newer players. It will, in my opinion, eliminate alot of the small scale skirmish PVP for me. I could do the lowsec piracy, or the blob in 0.0. Both limited in comparison to the tatics and roaming I have became accustemd to. Suggestion: I would like to see the corp on corp warfare limited as it is to 3, with a nominal cost for wardeccing an allaince. I would like to see those costs mentioned in the changes apply to Allainces Vs Corps, and use a sliding scale of prices based on the Corp V Corp deccing fees to apply when an Alliance Decs another allaince. This would allow us to continue against the major players, and almost remove us from deccing smaller scale organisations. It would also open up the market for many smaller Corp based Privateer Organisations - allowing them to raid the allaince's ships at a lower cost. I would also like to see members of the NPC noob corps moved to an NPC decable corp after 90 Days, and dual wreck ownership to underline the Risk Vs Reward ethos- but thats a diffent post I think. Sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Broken Star It makes me laugh that nearly everyone with issue here where actually those exploting the current system. Go cry to your Mommies PA... Cos you just got served by CCP. I told everyone that CCP didn't want alliances deccing every other alliance going. Nice construcitve post there noobie corp d00d Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Sorted on 18/04/2007 13:08:47 Originally by: Botschafter Mollari No doubt, a change in the wardec system was a must. All this empire-wide station camping, hauler and barge shooting was not funny anymore. The changes are an effect on how the Privateers played the game. Wardec peaceful miners in empire? For what? But on the other hand I think that the new war fees are far too much. I also have to say that I liked the thrill, somehow. If the allaince disbands, you are left with about 40 empire based corps itching for targets - who do you think are going to "get it?" the 0.0 allainces at a cost of 50M/Week each? or the empire based corps at the cost of a few million a week, They may well have compounded the problem and displaced the problem in one go. Not one single entity will be able to declare war on all 40 of our empire Pirate corps. We will still have our targets - we are adapting. EDIT: I quoted to indicated we will be going from deccing 0.0 allainces with PVP capable pilots to Empire small industrial corps en-mass... Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Botschafter Mollari But the PA have to mention that it's not the problem that you wardec. It's the way how you behave. Station camping or warping in a belt and shooting a barge isn't that brave and doesn't bring you good loot. So that's just disturbing other peoples EVE-experience. Cheers! Mollari PS: By the way, the PA didn't declared war just on 0.0 alliances. There are industrial alliances in high-sec which received a wardec also. Edit: Okay..station camping can bring you good loot. But barge shooting just stinks. We were contracted agasint numerous corps - for various reasons. We chose the decs we paid for carefully and DID declare on the 0.0 allainces. Check the boards for the number of hauler/miner kills compared to the combat kills. And I dont station camp, too easy for the target to dock - I gate camp. just FYI - but we are getting off topic. sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Sorted I think the major cause was the whining that we attacked small corps/newer players. Shows me that you did do this, and that was the point where you caused your own downfall....... You got only yourself to blame. As someone said in another thread: You pigged out at the all-you-can-eat table, and the restaurant closed it! We did - Yes. they were contracts. I.E Agressive market competiton for traders had us War their compeition, or maybe some guy smacktalked some other guy, They pay us we issue the war. Or a small industrial corp is attacked - and they pay us to agress the agressors. When we paid the bill we warr'd large allainces. I am mearly trying to correct your misconceptions and inaccurate information. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Matthew Shunting down to single-corp wardecs will eliminate that effect. If that was the case, in way yes. But as multiple Corps will be deccing the same allaince It will still cause problems. The corps will also be wardeccing High Sec based Corps - mission runners, Traders etc etc - Let the whining Continue... We'll adapt when the changes are finialised, at that point we can crunch the numbers and finalise our plans.. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:47:00 - [9] Green Phantom: The 70 current wars are paid for by a number of sources -about 40 are paid for by member corp (fees), the rest are contracts. To have 9 Active wars in the new system we would need to double the member fees. We would be able to offer a contract for the 10th war - it would cost 5 billion to issue and 5 Billion/week. (so contracts would be out of the question). With 40 Corps and 9 Wars the targets would be alot "thinner". Breaking up into 4 Allainces would cost us 3 Billion to setup, and split us into 4 - 10 corp groups. This would limit the number of wars issued by each allaince (based on current Fees) to 3 per Allaince. If we did this as 40 corps it would cost us less, and with correct target division would not have us competing for kills. (agaisnt each other on one target allaince - this would also help us to keep the costs down) Hope that helps clear things up. We will adapt. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Green Phantom To be honest I don't understand why 10 Declaration of War isn't enough for an Alliance of PA's size. We used to have 3 Active wars when we were a solo corp. with 10 wars and 40 member corps in empire targets will be few and far between. If we have less than 40 corps we cant issue 9 Wars.... Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:02:00 - [11] Originally by: WhitePhantom I still believe 70 war declarations for 5 billion isk is a great deal. its for 7 days.. I dunno how great it is....20 Billion a month is a substainal figure in my eyes. But, I rarely have more than 20M in the wallet - we work non-profit, and i blow all my loot into fancy fittings. BUT 250 Billion for 7 days... its one hell of a jump. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Tressia Its also funny that they will simply continue to exploit using other means...LOL. Adapt, indeed. If its an Exploit we will be banned.CCP changing the goal posts mean we just play the game differently and you get to change the content of your whine posts. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.20 20:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Nimrias I would like to open with a simple question: Is this a Massively Multiplayer Online Game or a Massively Moderated Online Game? If only 10% of the effort that went into "OMG PA BREAKS EVE" threads were used in-game, this whole issue of PA would have sorted itself without CCP intervention. Where is the player run anti-PA alliance? An alliance for the so-called noob and industrial corps (that PA seems to exclusively target, if you believe the forums) to join when they are wardecced by PA and leave when the wardec expires/lapses. This alliance could have offered roaming group hunting of PA members or industrial escort or any number of services. Please remember that no one can force you to do anything in Eve. That is what keeps this game great. Eve is (I hope) still a thinking person's game. PA came up with an original idea (afaik) which everyone obviously has strong opinions both for and against. But the disappointment for me is the "Dev's help us, save us, take us away" mentality that responded, mainly with anonymous alts, here in the forums. Some people just can't be bothered to look at local ,run missions for another agent / corp or even turn off that autopilot. It's depriving them of their gaming experience. I know that not all of PA's targets ran straight for the forums with their tail between their legs, but reading the myriad PA threads, you wouldn't know that. I do think alliance war decs should have a limit, so I understand why CCP feels the urge to get involved. But why wait until now? How long have alliances (and in theory, this "exploit" or "oversight" however you choose to look at it) been around? Much respect goes out to PA from me. I also respect any corp or alliance that actively fought back in-game, not in-forum. Non-consentual wardecs are still part of the game for now. I'm not going to simply say "adapt" as some do. But would it be that inconvenient to have a plan or strategy in the event your corp is the recipient of a non-consentual wardec? I'm not trying to change your opinion, only you can do that. I post with my main because I am not afraid of my own opinion. Yeah in hindsight it would of been good for US to start and anti Privs allaince, give the guys some good fights and unity for the whiners - like something was already being done lol Sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.21 11:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Uluru Blok Originally by: Sorted I quoted to indicated we will be going from deccing 0.0 allainces with PVP capable pilots to Empire small industrial corps en-mass... This doesn't seem to gel witht he moral high ground that Thunk keeps trying to claim... you know, how PA is actually helping 0.0 alliances by exposing people who belong to their alliance, but also live some of the time (or even all their time if they so choose) in Empire. Well done Sorted.. You managed to formalise the statement that you will be ganking in Empire... and you can still be indiscriminate about it... and that is just about what PA wants. Indiscriminate, unfetted, freedom to gank anyone they feel like... for profit. and some dribble. We have always ganked in empire, and we have always been somewhat indiscrimate about the targets we choose (0.0 allainces - every small corp has been a contract) . Unlike in 0.0 we dont have bubbles, and our targets (aswell as ourselfs) can dock and resupply if needed. But most fights I see are one sided, weather its 4 of us vs 1 lone traveler or 20 man gang with bait vs us. its very very very rarely a fair fight. Its almost always ganks - even in low-sec or 0.0. My post and illistration of 40 high sec gank corps (as opposed to 1 central allaince) was made in the hope that CCP would realise the issues that would come with displacing the 1 Privateer Allaince (easily controllable by any decent PVP allaince force) into 40 almost untouchable corps - with even more active wars than before.(albiet not by a single entity, only 3 each - but we would have a structured rota). That post was made to possible swing the change into "less" of a nerf. In any respect - this is not what we are doing, so there /Me sticks his tounge out :P The changes are coming Tuesday- We aint dead, not even close. We will still be here next week, and the week after that, and the week after that, ...we will fight them on the beaches... we will..o wait.. wrong speach. in anycase.. YARRR Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Sam Morse And now they've wardecced every man and his dog before the system gets changed. I REALLY hope CCP cancels all wardecs in order to set up the new system. Our CEO had GM + Dev confirmation before issuing the last 130 Wars 1 More week - Yarrr Learn More: Privateers Recruitment

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