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walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:37:36 - [1] - Quote ahhhh **** boys i got scammed this means i can complain on the fourms even though i didn't take the time to look at it right and its a game mechanic. i dont know what else to say i guess :^)
Rogwar Toralen The Graduates The Initiative. 27	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:41:08 - [2] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: ahhhh **** boys i got scammed this means i can complain on the fourms even though i didn't take the time to look at it right and its a game mechanic. i dont know what else to say i guess :^) Tell us what happened. Maybe it will keep someone else from getting scammed?
Trasch Taranogas State War Academy Caldari State 82	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:42:25 - [3] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: ahhhh ** boys i got scammed this means i can complain on the fourms even though i didn't take the time to look at it right and its a game mechanic. i dont know what else to say i guess :^) You are in the right place. Nitpickers and butthurts thrive here. Forumkiller.**
walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:42:51 - [4] - Quote it was a pretty simple fast contract advertising a navy issue osprey. couple went up being legit but the once i pounced on was sadly a normal one remember kids always check before you hit that accept button dont do what i did and lose 30 mil
Demolishar United Aggression Corpse Collectors Group 1210	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:44:51 - [5] - Quote oh no 30 mil
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1392	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:46:28 - [6] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: it was a pretty simple fast contract advertising a navy issue osprey. couple went up being legit but the once i pounced on was sadly a normal one remember kids always check before you hit that accept button dont do what i did and lose 30 mil Never ever buy from tradehub local. Remove standings and insurance.
walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:47:51 - [7] - Quote Demolishar wrote: oh no 30 mil thats a tad bit for me being a alpha clone
ValentineMichael Smith Farnham's Freehold 5	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:52:13 - [8] - Quote The Eve game masters told me straight up that scamming other players is allowed. I feel it's not only allowed, its encouraged. Only MMORPG in the world with that attitude that I know of. Here is the quote.. " GM Rainloss (EVE Online) Oct 19, 15:00 UTC Hello, Due to the sandbox nature of EVE, as a game designed around player-created conflict, acts of piracy, warfare, extortion, non-consensual pvp, ganking, scamming and theft are not seen as exploits by the developers of EVE Online, as the opportunity to do so is built into the game mechanics. Players are encouraged to make use of in-game methods such as diplomacy, force or relocation to try to stand up to CODE. I would also like to encourage you to visit the forums, since there you will be able to find people who, just like you, are unhappy with this issue and, maybe, together you will be able to come up with a way to fight it. You can login to the forums here:" Eve is a GAME, people play to have fun and relax. In my opinion to ok player harrassment is a really poor business decision. But to actually allow and encourage scamming is unthinkable. You Isk may not be real money, but it represents real time out of your life that you have dedicated to it. Shame on Eve. There is deffinately a way to fight it, by dropping subscriptions.
walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.01.15 00:54:19 - [9] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: The Eve game masters told me straight up that scamming other players is allowed. I feel it's not only allowed, its encouraged. Only MMORPG in the world with that attitude that I know of. Here is the quote.. " GM Rainloss (EVE Online) Oct 19, 15:00 UTC Hello, Due to the sandbox nature of EVE, as a game designed around player-created conflict, acts of piracy, warfare, extortion, non-consensual pvp, ganking, scamming and theft are not seen as exploits by the developers of EVE Online, as the opportunity to do so is built into the game mechanics. Players are encouraged to make use of in-game methods such as diplomacy, force or relocation to try to stand up to CODE. I would also like to encourage you to visit the forums, since there you will be able to find people who, just like you, are unhappy with this issue and, maybe, together you will be able to come up with a way to fight it. You can login to the forums here:" Eve is a GAME, people play to have fun and relax. In my opinion to ok player harrassment is a really poor business decision. But to actually allow and encourage scamming is unthinkable. You Isk may not be real money, but it represents real time out of your life that you have dedicated to it. Shame on Eve. There is deffinately a way to fight it, by dropping subscriptions. i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh
ValentineMichael Smith Farnham's Freehold 5	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:00:35 - [10] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh You are right that most victims of a scam are careless or not paying attention. But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here.

Akali Mid Aliastra Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:11:52 - [11] - Quote Im all here for you, please continue, Im all ears and very interested in whatever the fk you got to tell me.
Demonspawn 666 The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory. 227	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:12:44 - [12] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh You are right that most victims of a scam are careless or not paying attention. But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here. Meh! The Dirty Rejects are recruiting! Come play with me...... I like being played with!
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1194	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:25:47 - [13] - Quote good job not being butthurt OP @GM poster... posting GM or CCP correspondence on the forums is a no no you will want to edit your post and take that out before the ISDs do, same with the guy quoting you. Live alpha free, die in omega greatness!! Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46598	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:45:00 - [14] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:45:52 - [15] - Quote The last part of the answer is amazing for anybody who's been playing EvE for a long time. Seems they're really going to throw the griefers under the bus at some point Oh that would be hilarious "You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1392	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:47:41 - [16] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh You are right that most victims of a scam are careless or not paying attention. But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here. There are rules against harassment in EVE and they are enforced. But yes, what may be considered harassment in other games may not be so in EVE. Still those are the rules and you accepted them when you started to play the game. It is always a good idea, to inform oneself beforehand about the nature of the game and the community one is about to join. There can be no doubt, that EVE players will scam you, blow you up, try to extort you and kick your sandcastle over whenever possible. In EVE all that is part of the fun you are talking about. Now you have to decide, whether it is indeed what you consider fun or not. If it is, you will find that EVE has a great, friendly but certainly very creative community. Remove standings and insurance.
Rogwar Toralen The Graduates The Initiative. 30	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:00:28 - [17] - Quote OP and any other new players check out this link from Eve University. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scams_in_EVE_Online The Uni is a great place to go and learn about the game. You will find yourself less subject to griefers and harassment by being part of a group. Plus you can turn it into game content by getting some bros together and go kick some butt in return.
walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 1	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:06:45 - [18] - Quote il be taking pitty donations :^) im just kidding legit dont send me money (is this where i put about how i learned my lesson?)
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:14:54 - [19] - Quote I'm not so sure it's the scam thing that irks people. If I were to guess, the "survey on ur scam/gank", the gleeful blog post, and generally the... delight that the community piles ontop of the scam, that pisses people off. You have legions, LEGIONS of players who espouse the idea that "internet spaceships in internet spaceship game", but egads do they push as hard as possible to engender a real life emotion out of other players. Like everything human, it isn't the mechanic (or the existence of the mechanic) so much as it is what's done with it.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels 77	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:21:42 - [20] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: walker Hanomaa wrote: it was a pretty simple fast contract advertising a navy issue osprey. couple went up being legit but the once i pounced on was sadly a normal one remember kids always check before you hit that accept button dont do what i did and lose 30 mil Never ever buy from tradehub local. I sell stuff all the time quickly in local when I wanna move it quickly and not wait around with active sell orders. Just read the contracts before you accept them if it's a contract. I just put it on market cheaper than anyone else and post my item in local to direct them to the market and it usually gets snapped up in a few seconds or a minute.

Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels 77	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:24:29 - [21] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: I'm not so sure it's the scam thing that irks people. If I were to guess, the "survey on ur scam/gank", the gleeful blog post, and generally the... delight that the community piles ontop of the scam, that pisses people off. You have legions, LEGIONS of players who espouse the idea that "internet spaceships in internet spaceship game", but egads do they push as hard as possible to engender a real life emotion out of other players. Like everything human, it isn't the mechanic (or the existence of the mechanic) so much as it is what's done with it. The not thing that bothers me about scmming is the spam. Go ahead qnd post the three fake orders and the scam order. Good now let other people talk/trade normally. They dont need to repost that stuff 10 times a second and just flood the window with a scam that's not fooling anyone. If i didn't fall for it two seconds ago im falling for it two seconds from now. Stop posting the contracts. So I end up reporting and blocking them mostly.
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 203	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:29:39 - [22] - Quote I would like to get Scammed like my Ex once did. She made me fall in love with her, we got a flat together & then she was gone. True story, still waiting to get Scammed in EVE online so i can feel the deep pain of the knife in my back. The only time i felt such pain was this one time, when i turned into a kill mail when i first started out. Gate camp.. full speed ahead guns at the ready, scrammed, scanned bubbled dead, is the only scam in the game that keeps me on my tippy toes. True story, my ship went to Val Halla & my corpse well thats another story Yus a gate camp is a scam, because the gate already planned for such a trap "cough" , the honey pot on the other side is like a addiction. EVEBoard ...Just over 50million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Rogwar Toralen The Graduates The Initiative. 32	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:43:17 - [23] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: So I end up reporting and blocking them mostly. I found it best to just close local in the trade hubs. Blocking was a waste of time. Reporting legit scams just wastes other's time. People must fall for that stuff though otherwise the trade hub local in Jita would not be a constant flow of such drivel. It all seems to be the same old scam stuff repeated.
Verlyn Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan 72	Posted - 2017.01.15 07:49:18 - [24] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: The Eve game masters told me straight up that scamming other players is allowed. I feel it's not only allowed, its encouraged. Only MMORPG in the world with that attitude that I know of. Here is the quote.. " GM Rainloss (EVE Online) Oct 19, 15:00 UTC Hello, Due to the sandbox nature of EVE, as a game designed around player-created conflict, acts of piracy, warfare, extortion, non-consensual pvp, ganking, scamming and theft are not seen as exploits by the developers of EVE Online, as the opportunity to do so is built into the game mechanics. Players are encouraged to make use of in-game methods such as diplomacy, force or relocation to try to stand up to CODE. I would also like to encourage you to visit the forums, since there you will be able to find people who, just like you, are unhappy with this issue and, maybe, together you will be able to come up with a way to fight it. You can login to the forums here:" Eve is a GAME, people play to have fun and relax. In my opinion to ok player harrassment is a really poor business decision. But to actually allow and encourage scamming is unthinkable. You Isk may not be real money, but it represents real time out of your life that you have dedicated to it. Shame on Eve. There is deffinately a way to fight it, by dropping subscriptions. Lol So much to learn So little brains
Verlyn Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan 72	Posted - 2017.01.15 07:55:25 - [25] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here. It's not, and tbh, Eve should be straightup advertised as "Psycopath Community Simulator", but that would be bad advertising.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2781	Posted - 2017.01.15 08:38:02 - [26] - Quote First of all the OP is in idiot twice, once for falling for such a click fast contract scam and the second for initially not detailing it when making his troll post. The scam you fell for is perfectly legit because the player used greed and stupidity to condition people to fall for it. You only have yourself to blame for it. In terms of other scams people can complain if the mechanics facilitate the scams, and there are a number like that, the courier contract scam with high collateral to a Citadel which is closed is the most evident one, there is no counter except for refusing to do any courier contracts involving citadels which is how I would deal with it. But complaining about a scam like this to make a dumb point... 0 / 10 Troll post When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour. Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 16	Posted - 2017.01.15 08:41:53 - [27] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: But complaining about a scam like this to make a dumb point... 0 / 10 Troll post walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 16	Posted - 2017.01.15 08:42:39 - [28] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Dracvlad wrote: But complaining about a scam like this to make a dumb point... 0 / 10 Troll post walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed Everything seems to be in perfect order here.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2781	Posted - 2017.01.15 08:46:00 - [29] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Dracvlad wrote: But complaining about a scam like this to make a dumb point... 0 / 10 Troll post walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed Which is what I said in terms of calling it a troll post. INB4L... When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour. Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2781	Posted - 2017.01.15 09:02:52 - [30] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: The Eve game masters told me straight up that scamming other players is allowed. I feel it's not only allowed, its encouraged. Only MMORPG in the world with that attitude that I know of. Here is the quote.. " GM Rainloss (EVE Online) Oct 19, 15:00 UTC Hello, Due to the sandbox nature of EVE, as a game designed around player-created conflict, acts of piracy, warfare, extortion, non-consensual pvp, ganking, scamming and theft are not seen as exploits by the developers of EVE Online, as the opportunity to do so is built into the game mechanics. Players are encouraged to make use of in-game methods such as diplomacy, force or relocation to try to stand up to CODE. I would also like to encourage you to visit the forums, since there you will be able to find people who, just like you, are unhappy with this issue and, maybe, together you will be able to come up with a way to fight it. You can login to the forums here:" Eve is a GAME, people play to have fun and relax. In my opinion to ok player harrassment is a really poor business decision. But to actually allow and encourage scamming is unthinkable. You Isk may not be real money, but it represents real time out of your life that you have dedicated to it. Shame on Eve. There is deffinately a way to fight it, by dropping subscriptions. This thread is worth it for this one post. What you have to understand is that Eve is a game that is based on conflict including some personal conflict, the question of harassment against your characters it totally fine, it is when it goes against the player to drive them out of the game that it becomes an issue, please try to understand the difference. CODE is one big windup against CCP and that is fine, they use the mechanics to their advantage, fly cheap fast warping ships, use surprise etc., you can get in their way if you want to and I suggest that you have a look at the Anti-Ganking channel to see how, but it is low reward and difficult which is one of the things they rely on. The question is do you have it in you to at least get a couple of blows in on them even if it is rather pointless and that is how you should look at it. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour. Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein

Keno Skir 1169	Posted - 2017.01.15 09:32:01 - [31] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh You are right that most victims of a scam are careless or not paying attention. But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here. Your opinion is wrong. <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> Including ISK Bonus & In Game Assistance - Piracy / Wormhole Space / Covops PvP
Abyss Azizora DODGING 192	Posted - 2017.01.15 09:45:40 - [32] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: it was a pretty simple fast contract advertising a navy issue osprey. couple went up being legit but the once i pounced on was sadly a normal one remember kids always check before you hit that accept button dont do what i did and lose 30 mil Thats a nearly decade old scam, put up 2-3 fake contracts with legit stuff (Already taken before they are even linked.) then place the one with the fake goods in there so people are too stupid to actually read it before accepting it. Didn't think people actually fell for that one, guess I was wrong.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 27337	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:59:16 - [33] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. I think that other games will be far more to your liking, Eve was built from the ground up to have the freedoms that allow actions such as those you seem to deplore to occur. It is up to you to ensure your own safety from scams, ganks etc; just as it up to you to provide the consequences for people that gank and scam etc. CCP are not going to do either for you as it is antithetical to the concept and execution on the game. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1350	Posted - 2017.01.15 13:22:48 - [34] - Quote ValentineMichael Smith wrote: walker Hanomaa wrote: i know its allowed and all im just poking fun at people who come on the fourms and complain that they got scammed rippi in kippi my iskies tho not a major lost but eh You are right that most victims of a scam are careless or not paying attention. But as a paid subscriber, I think we have a right to expect protection from harassers, scammers, or anyone who is making to ruin someone else's honest fun gameplay. Just my opinion, I know it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here. As a paying Ford customer, I think I have a right to expect heated seats. Except I don't, since the car I bought doesn't have them. In my opinion, although you have the right to "expect" whatever you want (I expect to become filthy rich and live an easy life some day, black jack and hookers and all), in practice you should only expect to get what you choose to pay for, nothing more and nothing less. And in the case of Eve, you chose to pay for a game that prominently involves all these things as a form of interactive gameplay. Nowhere on the tin has it ever said "honest" for Eve Online, so you can of course expect honesty based on nothing whatsoever, but you will get disappointed.
Demonspawn 666 The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory. 231	Posted - 2017.01.15 13:37:38 - [35] - Quote Unlike RL, EVE isn't a nanny-state, coddling you and protecting YOU from the consequences of YOUR actions. Fake contacts and scams are easy to spot and avoid.... just take the time to READ and THINK. It's your ISK, if you aren't going to take the time/effort to protect it, why should CCP? The Dirty Rejects are recruiting! Come play with me...... I like being played with!
Akane Togenada Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2017.01.15 13:51:50 - [36] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: il be taking pitty donations :^) im just kidding legit dont send me money (is this where i put about how i learned my lesson?) Now I question wheater the OP is trolling or attempting a quite crude 'pity scam'.
Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 100	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:01:45 - [37] - Quote walker Hanomaa wrote: it was a pretty simple fast contract advertising a navy issue osprey. couple went up being legit but the once i pounced on was sadly a normal one remember kids always check before you hit that accept button dont do what i did and lose 30 mil He did you a favour, the ship is terrible.
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 354	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:36:00 - [38] - Quote Why are some people seemingly committed to remove human emotion from this game? That's what makes eve, real. Without people being people, the game would just be a collection of mechanics like every other game. Freedom is scary to some people, but those who can appreciate it aren't able to find this level of freedom in any other game. A case for more AoE in EvE
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 755	Posted - 2017.01.15 16:00:32 - [39] - Quote Spam is prohibited. Clised ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


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