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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.15 12:37:28 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.
You do bring up a good point.
Should CCP charge money for a buyable Titan or Citadel?
Maybe lease them out?
So pay $100 and get to lease one for a month, if it gets destroyed then you have to wait 24 hours for another.
Like renting a car, but in space.
How often do you get somebody coming out to wreck your car just because it's there?
Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.
Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.
Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player?
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1350
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Posted - 2017.01.15 12:47:43 -
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While I can imagine that you can get a Keepstar and a Titan by throwing money at the game, I don't see the point. Not only are those intended to be built by organized groups, they also are only useful to groups as well.
If as a single player or handful of players you opt to spend a buttload of money to buy a Keepstar and a Titan, you will have a hard time using them for anything, and you will probably loose them rather quickly. |
Sylvia Carpenter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2017.01.15 12:51:27 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:[quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.
Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.
Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.
Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player?
That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
354
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Posted - 2017.01.15 13:18:16 -
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One quick point about PLEX is that it is an item which is sold to other players. When you sell a plex for isk to build a titan, that isk was earned by an actual player. There is no way to pay CCP for isk which wasn't ready in the game.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1889
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Posted - 2017.01.15 14:18:06 -
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Sylvia Carpenter wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:[quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.
Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.
Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.
Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player? That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends.
In most other MMOs, the bigger the thing the better it is. In Eve Online, things are a lot more complex.
Sure, big things are pretty impressive in Eve Online. However, the big things tend to require alot more support due to, you know, being big and therefore a huge target. Big things need friends, probably many, many friends, to watch over them so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. In nearly every case, the bigger the thing, the bigger the support it is going to need. As such, big things only really shine in big alliances.
In the hands of solo or small-group players, big things are big coffins. They do not have the kind of numbers to support and to keep their big things safe so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. For solo or small-group, smaller is probably much more worth the trouble because smaller things have a much easier time staying away from the couple hundred buzzing little things and, in the right hands, pick them off and stay away from the bulk of their numbers.
Not to mention it's much easier to replace the small things than the big things anyway.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1866
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Posted - 2017.01.15 14:41:32 -
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Akali Mid wrote:Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.
Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan.
What else is there to talk about.
A Titan or a Citadel won't make you win the game. In f act, it will probably make you lose much faster.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
289
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Posted - 2017.01.15 15:25:42 -
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Sylvia Carpenter wrote:Akali Mid wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:[quote=Sylvia Carpenter][quote=Akali Mid]Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.
The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority.
Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant. You mean PLEX contributes significantly to EVE survival as a game? Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money? P.S. Why are you angry? some People have the money to play the game but not much time to grind for ingame money so they sub and buy Plex to make the most fun out of their limited time. Others have a lot of time to make Isk but not much real money. So they make the Isk ingame and sell it for game time aka Plex. Both sides get served. And it doesn't say a thing about the skills of someone. P2W has nothing to do with it. Titans and Supercarriers are good but rarely used. And getting the money even for other shiny ships is not so hard. And the value calculations are even wrong because you can make a lot more then 1.2B Isk. Price of a Plex at the moment, in a month.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
104
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Posted - 2017.01.15 20:33:10 -
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Depends on what effort they want to put in.
Building things (only paying for your sub) isn't a real problem. I could build a citadel if i wanted to, but the problem isn't building but defending the damn thing!
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
508
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Posted - 2017.01.15 20:47:15 -
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Sylvia Carpenter wrote:So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true?
No. |
Mikael Nolen
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
72
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Posted - 2017.01.15 21:39:02 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Akali Mid wrote:Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people.
EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people.
"a tiny tiny minority"
Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan.
Fuking ignorant. For some reason I suspect this thread was a lie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6780398#post6780398 You seem more like an alt than an enthusiastic new player. Probably some sad antiganker's alt.
Thanks for spotting this. I make an effort to help new players and had an eye on this for the last few days. ******* eve players, man. XD
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Window Licker McTard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2017.01.15 21:56:23 -
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last week mum passed out next to all her emptys and I found a lost credit card in her bra. screw ganking I wanna TITAN whos gunna sell me one???!
I'm a special elite ganker, Codes finest warrior bard druid. I gank as much as possible cause I'm good. Don't mess with me minor, i'll mess with you harder.
I have no honor.
Dommy and Sasha are my wingmen and have my backside.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
645
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Posted - 2017.01.16 08:14:43 -
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Akali Mid wrote:Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.
Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan.
What else is there to talk about.
you 'win' by simply having a titan and/or a citadel? o.O
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Jacques d'Orleans
2865
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Posted - 2017.01.16 08:22:56 -
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Akali Mid wrote:Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.
Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan.
What else is there to talk about.
P2W? How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE?
Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2017.01.16 08:40:51 -
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P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W
Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars.
A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course!
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
19
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Posted - 2017.01.16 09:41:39 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE? I believe the popularity of that bag of misconceptions is an important pillar of New Eden's economy. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1895
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Posted - 2017.01.16 09:51:55 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars.
A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course!
Jeez. I have no alt and I'm doing just fine in lowsec. Maybe you should consider being more creative with how you make money and how you operate daily.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Jacques d'Orleans
2865
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Posted - 2017.01.16 10:04:25 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE? I believe the popularity of that bag of misconceptions is an important pillar of New Eden's economy.
Yup, exactly. A version of "All gear, no talent" so to say.
Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3848
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Posted - 2017.01.16 10:14:37 -
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i buy most of my stuff with plex from rl cash, dont know if i could justify buying a titan with my credit card though, id much rather buy a car...
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Thursday Park-Laine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2017.01.16 10:21:01 -
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Sylvia Carpenter wrote:So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true?
You can either have time, dedication and freinds or just buy big stuff with PLEXes. First option will be much fun and maybe some drama. Second option will make you a loot pinata and you will get only drama. So to speak there is no Pay to Win in EVE, only "pay to feel mighty for a short time and then feel foolish and humiliated shorty thereafter" Because buying a Titan or Citadel without proper player skill and support will only get you a big lossmail. |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
289
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Posted - 2017.01.16 10:57:46 -
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Thursday Park-Laine wrote:Sylvia Carpenter wrote:So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? You can either have time, dedication and freinds or just buy big stuff with PLEXes. First option will be much fun and maybe some drama. Second option will make you a loot pinata and you will get only drama. So to speak there is no Pay to Win in EVE, only "pay to feel mighty for a short time and then feel foolish and humiliated shorty thereafter" Because buying a Titan or Citadel without proper player skill and support will only get you a big lossmail. You forgot: have Fun ingame but no time for ISK grinding. But buying A Titans with RL is just stupid. one error and 2000 Dollars gone. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8714
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:57:19 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars.
A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! Jeez. I have no alt and I'm doing just fine in lowsec. Maybe you should consider being more creative with how you make money and how you operate daily.
There are many people who think you can't do well at the game without a second account. As a single account holder of almost five years now myself, I postulate they just don't know how to make friends.
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Quartz Jori
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2017.01.16 15:54:47 -
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars.
A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! What? Screwing around in null-sec and WH space is easy. You won't be able to live in Null solo, but then that was never the idea in the first place. |
Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2017.01.16 18:35:50 -
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Rogwar Toralen wrote:Not true. Just time. Which is a good idea to think about how you will use and protect such things beforehand. However, you can buy PLEX to convert to isk though and speed all sorts of things along. You can speed yourself right into incompetence as well.
When you combine deep pockets, unbridled enthusiasm and incompetence in Eve there's no end to what amazing stuff you can lose.
That concludes this thread rather nicely! |
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