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Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:44:50 - [1] - Quote So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Rogwar Toralen The Graduates The Initiative. 29	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:46:05 - [2] - Quote Not true. Just time. Which is a good idea to think about how you will use and protect such things beforehand. However, you can buy PLEX to convert to isk though and speed all sorts of things along. You can speed yourself right into incompetence as well. When you combine deep pockets, unbridled enthusiasm and incompetence in Eve there's no end to what amazing stuff you can lose.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3822	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:50:40 - [3] - Quote News reports tend to give assets that valuable a 'real money' figure as readers who aren't EVE players can therefore relate to the value. But it's all earned in game by playing the game, not by paying CCP for a titan.
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:50:41 - [4] - Quote Rogwar Toralen wrote: Not true. Just time. The only thing I can imagine is to buy PLEX with real money, sell in in game, and use the ISK to buy resources needed. But is it a normal way for corps to do that? I hope it is not. VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Akali Mid Aliastra Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:54:34 - [5] - Quote Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2446	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:56:38 - [6] - Quote You would need to be on an omega account to build or use a titan, so technically you would have to pay. You could also technically grind the 80bil+ to buy one on a free account but that would be quite frankly silly. An approach that uses the best of both would be use a free account to grind ~1bil isk and buy a PLEX upgrading that account to omega status and use that omega status to continue grinding isk for more plex and for savings to buy your citadel/titan. IMO it is much easier to just sub the game for a while as you learn it, and ~6months-1year in decide if you want to try and PLEX the account. the game is based on a subscription model, you need to pay this subscription to access a large portion of the game, however there is nothing requiring payment to win. There is no "gold ammo" Although you can buy plex to sell to other players, this allows people to turn rl cash into game items, however I don't see a direct link between that and "winning" @ChainsawPlankto
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:57:11 - [7] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. You mean people spend $7,600 just to build a Titan? Why don't we t just play Eve normally and build it from mining, business, etc. VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46598	Posted - 2017.01.15 01:57:35 - [8] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: The only thing I can imagine is to buy PLEX with real money, sell in in game, and use the ISK to buy resources needed. But is it a normal way for corps to do that? I hope it is not. I know of several players that have used their credit card to buy PLEX to buy a Titan. The only way to build a Titan or a Keepstar or other asset in the game is to mine/acquire all the resources in the game also. Cash doesn't generate minerals. So ultimately, Titans, etc. are built using no extra cash than what people use to subscribe their accounts. It's just a short cut method people use in order to acquire them without having to mine, etc. Is it normal? I don't think so, but it's a hard question to answer.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6374	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:00:10 - [9] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. You mean people spend $7,600 just to build a Titan? Why don't we t just play Eve normally and build it from mining, business, etc. The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1151	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:08:59 - [10] - Quote I am a solo player with that could easily put up a Citadel and keep it fed for a long, long time by just doing missions and mining. Defend it solo? Well, no. But that isnt' the point is it? This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 11368	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:11:38 - [11] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Rogwar Toralen wrote: Not true. Just time. The only thing I can imagine is to buy PLEX with real money, sell in in game, and use the ISK to buy resources needed. But is it a normal way for corps to do that? I hope it is not. No... it is not. Understand that EVERY SHIP AND MODULE IN THE GAME has to be built or harvested by players. That ship you bought? It was built by a player. And the minerals that went into building that ship? Processed from ore by a player. And the ore that was processed? Had to be harvested and moved by a player. With supercapitals (see: Titans and Supercarriers) specifically... - you can only build them in 0.0 space you own (which means you had to conquer that space and put up your alliance's "flag"). - they can only be built with specific equipment (which also has to be built and set up by players). - they take months to "bake" (no "pop the components in the oven for 10 minutes and you have a ship" thing here... you have to protect the place the ship is being built at while it is under construction). PLEX is only good for getting ISK... and ISK will only help you so much. To build and protect large structures and ships is a team effort that requires A LOT of time and effort. Note: PLEX is designed as a way to fight Real Money Trading. The idea is that you buy a PLEX (worth 30 days of game time) and sell it to a player that is really good at making tons of ISK (which is no small feat, but is possible). In effect... you are paying for the "subscription" of another player in exchange for in-game currency. How did you Veterans start?
Sethyrh Nakrar Drake Mining and Acquisition Inc. 2	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:20:28 - [12] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? If you invest time and recources instead, no. Also, owning a supercap and mastering it are different things entirely. Praise the Omnissiah!
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:22:12 - [13] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Rogwar Toralen wrote: Not true. Just time. The only thing I can imagine is to buy PLEX with real money, sell in in game, and use the ISK to buy resources needed. But is it a normal way for corps to do that? I hope it is not. No... it is not. Understand that EVERY SHIP AND MODULE IN THE GAME has to be built or harvested by players. That ship you bought? It was built by a player. And the minerals that went into building that ship? Processed from ore by a player. And the ore that was processed? Had to be harvested and moved by a player. PLEX is only good for getting ISK... and ISK will only help you so much. To build and protect large structures and ships is a team effort that requires A LOT of time and effort. Note: PLEX is designed as a way to fight Real Money Trading. The idea is that you buy a PLEX (worth 30 days of game time) and sell it to a player that is really good at making tons of ISK (which is no small feat, but is possible). In effect... you are paying for the "subscription" of another player in exchange for in-game currency. Thanks Shah. I got the concept. And I am amazed by it. I salute CCP for letting Eve universe goes by its own almost completely. But for non-Eve players where they play a PAY TO WIN game, when the game company periodically sells SHIP DEALS and COINS promotion, Eve mechanics is very difficult for them to understand. I have been trying to recruit my Clan mates into Eve, but so far no success. VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Akali Mid Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:30:36 - [14] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. You mean people spend $7,600 just to build a Titan? Why don't we t just play Eve normally and build it from mining, business, etc. The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority. Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1395	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:46:41 - [15] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant. For some reason I suspect this thread was a lie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6780398#post6780398 You seem more like an alt than an enthusiastic new player. Probably some sad antiganker's alt. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:47:20 - [16] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: [quote=Sylvia Carpenter][quote=Akali Mid]Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority. Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant. You mean PLEX contributes significantly to EVE survival as a game? Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money? P.S. Why are you angry? VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46603	Posted - 2017.01.15 02:57:04 - [17] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money? CCP's financial statements contain a listing of the amount of PLEX in the game as part of their liabiities under a heading of 'deferred revenue'. From the 2015 Financial statement that was about USD $3.3 million purchased but not yet consumed, representing a rough number of >165,000 that are currently either in the game or with third-party sellers waiting to be sold: http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/ccp-financial-statements-for-2015-review.html In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars.
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:02:04 - [18] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money? CCP's financial statements contain a listing of the amount of PLEX in the game as part of their liabiities under a heading of 'deferred liabilities'. From the 2015 Financial statement that was about USD $3.3 million purchased but not yet consumed, representing a rough number of >165,000 that are currently either in the game or with third-party sellers waiting to be sold: http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/ccp-financial-statements-for-2015-review.html In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars. Thanks. Good to know. I hope it gives enough financial health for CCP to keep developing Eve. I really hope I could still play the game when I am retired in the next 15 years. I love it. VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Memphis Baas 2811	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:08:38 - [19] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Tell your friends to forget about titans and citadels. The are not supposed to be achievable solo, so if you try it's just ridiculous. It's like: So, World of Warcraft, you can have weapons, you can have purple armor, you can cast spells, you can fly on the back of a griffon, you can... I want to build a city. Wait, what? No you can't build a city solo, you need .. I WANT TO BUILD A CITY! MY OWN CITY! But, I mean, you'd need players to put together their money and houses and build a wall and... NO, JUST ME. I want my own city built by just me alone, where I'm the Princess and nobody else is in the city. But, a city is for many people... JUST ME!!!!!!!! Ok well, what do you think? Yeah? Yeah. Ok so, yeah, we'll make it possible, but that will cost 500,000 dollars. What? That's ridiculous! Your game is P2W! And it sucks! Everything about it sucks!
Scipio Artelius Savage Moon Society 46603	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:09:07 - [20] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Thanks. Good to know. I hope it gives enough financial health for CCP to keep developing Eve. I really hope I could still play the game when I am retired in the next 15 years. I love it. My understanding is that paid subscriptions are still a much larger percentage of their income, though I'm not sure I can validate that view. In a recent interview (for the Ascension release), CCP Seagull mentioned there are about 400,000 subscribers, but I don't know what percentage are paid with credit card versus PLEXed.
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 203	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:11:56 - [21] - Quote If you need to ask such a questions then a Titan will be useless for said person. Hope this helps EVEBoard ...Just over 50million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 275	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:19:31 - [22] - Quote No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen. You do bring up a good point. Should CCP charge money for a buyable Titan or Citadel? Maybe lease them out? So pay $100 and get to lease one for a month, if it gets destroyed then you have to wait 24 hours for another. Like renting a car, but in space. ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Rogwar Toralen The Graduates The Initiative. 32	Posted - 2017.01.15 03:31:20 - [23] - Quote With regards to paying for play, if you can afford it there's absolutely nothing wrong with buying $100 worth of plex from CCP and selling it for isk to buy ships and stuff. Sometimes people's schedules or game play preferences make it worthwhile. It's nice to have that flexibility at times.
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings 67	Posted - 2017.01.15 04:21:44 - [24] - Quote well i guess if you want to spend tens of thousands of irl money to plex for a titan, stations and skills for the character, you can. but it will be a funny killmail.
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 15	Posted - 2017.01.15 05:42:35 - [25] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: PAY TO WIN If you define "winning" by having a Citadel and Titan, than EvE is pay to win. But I believe by the time you get close to even considering to build those, you'll probably know better. In my opinion EvE is pay to lose more when stuff hits the fan.
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 15	Posted - 2017.01.15 05:45:12 - [26] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Sylvia Carpenter wrote: PAY TO WIN If you define "winning" by having a Citadel and Titan, than EvE is pay to win. But I believe by the time you get close to even considering to build those, you'll probably know better. Ever heard rule no.1 around here? In my opinion EvE is pay to lose more when stuff hits the fan.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3824	Posted - 2017.01.15 05:57:21 - [27] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: My understanding is that paid subscriptions are still a much larger percentage of their income, though I'm not sure I can validate that view. In a recent interview (for the Ascension release), CCP Seagull mentioned there are about 400,000 subscribers, but I don't know what percentage are paid with credit card versus PLEXed. EDIT: and of course, when I want it, I can't find the interview with the 400,000 figure again. I also don't have the reference, but at some stage there was a figure given out of about 30-40k per month using Plex. So about 10% of subscribed users Plex if that is still accurate.
Beast of Revelations Hedion University Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2017.01.15 05:57:39 - [28] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? I'm pretty certain that most Titans are not bought by individuals forking out real money to buy them. They are bought by mega-rich (as in 'space rich', not rich in real-life) null-sec corporations. Those corporations control moons and other assets which generate money for them. I've never PLEXED to buy anything in-game, and neither has anyone I know who plays, but honestly, I'm all for it. Think about it this way. Someone pays real money to buy a PLEX to sell in-game for ISK. Who buys that PLEX, and where does it go? Answer: Another player buys the PLEX in-game, with in-game ISK, and uses it to subscribe his account for another month. So, people who buy PLEX to sell in-game for ISK are, in fact, buying someone else in the game a subscription. And they are essentially paying someone else to earn ISK in-game, and give it to them in return for a month's subscription.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8710	Posted - 2017.01.15 06:04:03 - [29] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. You can do that, but it doesn't mean you win. It only means you have a shiny toy for someone and a few hundred of their friends to blap. The game is not pay-to-win, not even close, if spending more money doesn't guarantee victory. which owning a Titan/Citadel does not do. Additionally, you don't win EVE. EVE wins you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sethyrh Nakrar Drake Mining and Acquisition Inc. 2	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:15:12 - [30] - Quote I for an instance love battleships. So I collect and use them. I don-¦t care about caps and supercaps. I also don-¦t care about owning a citadel either, because since the corp has one, I damn well know how expensive that thing can be. Its a sandbox,...... Praise the Omnissiah!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1888	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:37:28 - [31] - Quote Hir Miriel wrote: No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen. You do bring up a good point. Should CCP charge money for a buyable Titan or Citadel? Maybe lease them out? So pay $100 and get to lease one for a month, if it gets destroyed then you have to wait 24 hours for another. Like renting a car, but in space. How often do you get somebody coming out to wreck your car just because it's there? Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible. Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face. Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1350	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:47:43 - [32] - Quote While I can imagine that you can get a Keepstar and a Titan by throwing money at the game, I don't see the point. Not only are those intended to be built by organized groups, they also are only useful to groups as well. If as a single player or handful of players you opt to spend a buttload of money to buy a Keepstar and a Titan, you will have a hard time using them for anything, and you will probably loose them rather quickly.
Sylvia Carpenter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2017.01.15 12:51:27 - [33] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: [quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen. Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible. Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face. Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player? That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends. VISIT MY EVE JOURNEY HERE
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 354	Posted - 2017.01.15 13:18:16 - [34] - Quote One quick point about PLEX is that it is an item which is sold to other players. When you sell a plex for isk to build a titan, that isk was earned by an actual player. There is no way to pay CCP for isk which wasn't ready in the game. A case for more AoE in EvE
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1889	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:18:06 - [35] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: [quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen. Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible. Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face. Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player? That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends. In most other MMOs, the bigger the thing the better it is. In Eve Online, things are a lot more complex. Sure, big things are pretty impressive in Eve Online. However, the big things tend to require alot more support due to, you know, being big and therefore a huge target. Big things need friends, probably many, many friends, to watch over them so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. In nearly every case, the bigger the thing, the bigger the support it is going to need. As such, big things only really shine in big alliances. In the hands of solo or small-group players, big things are big coffins. They do not have the kind of numbers to support and to keep their big things safe so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. For solo or small-group, smaller is probably much more worth the trouble because smaller things have a much easier time staying away from the couple hundred buzzing little things and, in the right hands, pick them off and stay away from the bulk of their numbers. Not to mention it's much easier to replace the small things than the big things anyway. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1866	Posted - 2017.01.15 14:41:32 - [36] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. A Titan or a Citadel won't make you win the game. In f act, it will probably make you lose much faster. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Geronimo McVain EVE University Ivy League 289	Posted - 2017.01.15 15:25:42 - [37] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: Akali Mid wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: [quote=Sylvia Carpenter][quote=Akali Mid]Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority. Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant. You mean PLEX contributes significantly to EVE survival as a game? Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money? P.S. Why are you angry? some People have the money to play the game but not much time to grind for ingame money so they sub and buy Plex to make the most fun out of their limited time. Others have a lot of time to make Isk but not much real money. So they make the Isk ingame and sell it for game time aka Plex. Both sides get served. And it doesn't say a thing about the skills of someone. P2W has nothing to do with it. Titans and Supercarriers are good but rarely used. And getting the money even for other shiny ships is not so hard. And the value calculations are even wrong because you can make a lot more then 1.2B Isk. Price of a Plex at the moment, in a month.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 104	Posted - 2017.01.15 20:33:10 - [38] - Quote Depends on what effort they want to put in. Building things (only paying for your sub) isn't a real problem. I could build a citadel if i wanted to, but the problem isn't building but defending the damn thing! Gr. P.
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 508	Posted - 2017.01.15 20:47:15 - [39] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? No.
Mikael Nolen Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins. 72	Posted - 2017.01.15 21:39:02 - [40] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Akali Mid wrote: Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people. EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people. "a tiny tiny minority" Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan. Fuking ignorant. For some reason I suspect this thread was a lie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6780398#post6780398 You seem more like an alt than an enthusiastic new player. Probably some sad antiganker's alt. Thanks for spotting this. I make an effort to help new players and had an eye on this for the last few days. ******* eve players, man. XD
Window Licker McTard Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2017.01.15 21:56:23 - [41] - Quote last week mum passed out next to all her emptys and I found a lost credit card in her bra. screw ganking I wanna TITAN whos gunna sell me one???! I'm a special elite ganker, Codes finest warrior bard druid. I gank as much as possible cause I'm good. Don't mess with me minor, i'll mess with you harder. I have no honor. Dommy and Sasha are my wingmen and have my backside.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 645	Posted - 2017.01.16 08:14:43 - [42] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. you 'win' by simply having a titan and/or a citadel? o.O Just Add Water
Jacques d'Orleans 2865	Posted - 2017.01.16 08:22:56 - [43] - Quote Akali Mid wrote: Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win. Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan. What else is there to talk about. P2W? How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE? Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2017.01.16 08:40:51 - [44] - Quote P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars. A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! "You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 19	Posted - 2017.01.16 09:41:39 - [45] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE? I believe the popularity of that bag of misconceptions is an important pillar of New Eden's economy.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1895	Posted - 2017.01.16 09:51:55 - [46] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars. A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! Jeez. I have no alt and I'm doing just fine in lowsec. Maybe you should consider being more creative with how you make money and how you operate daily. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Jacques d'Orleans 2865	Posted - 2017.01.16 10:04:25 - [47] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Jacques d'Orleans wrote: How does someone win EVE and why is always someone assuming he needs the "big stuff" to play EVE? I believe the popularity of that bag of misconceptions is an important pillar of New Eden's economy. Yup, exactly. A version of "All gear, no talent" so to say. Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3848	Posted - 2017.01.16 10:14:37 - [48] - Quote i buy most of my stuff with plex from rl cash, dont know if i could justify buying a titan with my credit card though, id much rather buy a car... Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Thursday Park-Laine Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2017.01.16 10:21:01 - [49] - Quote Sylvia Carpenter wrote: So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? You can either have time, dedication and freinds or just buy big stuff with PLEXes. First option will be much fun and maybe some drama. Second option will make you a loot pinata and you will get only drama. So to speak there is no Pay to Win in EVE, only "pay to feel mighty for a short time and then feel foolish and humiliated shorty thereafter" Because buying a Titan or Citadel without proper player skill and support will only get you a big lossmail.
Geronimo McVain EVE University Ivy League 289	Posted - 2017.01.16 10:57:46 - [50] - Quote Thursday Park-Laine wrote: Sylvia Carpenter wrote: So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game. But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel. Is that true? You can either have time, dedication and freinds or just buy big stuff with PLEXes. First option will be much fun and maybe some drama. Second option will make you a loot pinata and you will get only drama. So to speak there is no Pay to Win in EVE, only "pay to feel mighty for a short time and then feel foolish and humiliated shorty thereafter" Because buying a Titan or Citadel without proper player skill and support will only get you a big lossmail. You forgot: have Fun ingame but no time for ISK grinding. But buying A Titans with RL is just stupid. one error and 2000 Dollars gone.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8714	Posted - 2017.01.16 14:57:19 - [51] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars. A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! Jeez. I have no alt and I'm doing just fine in lowsec. Maybe you should consider being more creative with how you make money and how you operate daily. There are many people who think you can't do well at the game without a second account. As a single account holder of almost five years now myself, I postulate they just don't know how to make friends. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Quartz Jori Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.01.16 15:54:47 - [52] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: P2W not really because of PLEX - but PLEX definitely helps-, but rather because you NEED at least a secondary account if you want to get out of highsec. The more you have, the more computer gear you have to run them comfortably, the better you can perform ingame: P2W Scipio Artelius wrote: In terms of the total purchased since PLEX was introduced, no we don't know the exact number. It would be in the tens of millions of dollars. A tiny tiny part of CCP's profit of course! What? Screwing around in null-sec and WH space is easy. You won't be able to live in Null solo, but then that was never the idea in the first place.
Etain Darklightner Agittain Aliastra Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2017.01.16 18:35:50 - [53] - Quote Rogwar Toralen wrote: Not true. Just time. Which is a good idea to think about how you will use and protect such things beforehand. However, you can buy PLEX to convert to isk though and speed all sorts of things along. You can speed yourself right into incompetence as well. When you combine deep pockets, unbridled enthusiasm and incompetence in Eve there's no end to what amazing stuff you can lose. That concludes this thread rather nicely!

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