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Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.18 03:06:00 - [31] Just goes to show you crying carebears own all. Sad really. Privateers may break up the alliance and spread the decs out.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 03:15:00 - [32] It's unfortunate for the Privateers, but it makes sense. Empire is not designed to be a complete free-fire zone, that's why we have 0.0. This should, to some extent, help curb the alt epidemic (a little) and protect small alliances from big alliances for which 50m is absolute chump change. The Privateers found a niche in the game and occupied it well, but I agree with closing the loop. CCP should have done it a long time ago, instead of now, when it cannot but unfairly nerf one alliance. It doesn't mean the end for them, they did just fine when they were targeting two or three instead of ten or twenty.
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:39:00 - [33] Originally by: FuzzBuzz doesnt this mean alot of merc corps will die as well, the price just got expensive for all small mecr corps, and any corp out there that wants to dec any other corp. This will not affect any small merc corp at all. The price starting to increase only after 10th war dec. In fact, i'm almost sure only privateers will be affected - how many other alliances you know have more than 10 wars declared?
boogaboob Caldari Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:10:00 - [34] Edited by: boogaboob on 18/04/2007 05:10:37 This, obviously, made us all very angry. However, most of us agree it won't be the end of us. A large number of our targets come from certain big or empire-focussed alliances. For instance, BoB, who operates almost entirely out of 0.0, provides very few kills for us in proportion to their size(though the ones we do get often have excellent loot). The same is true of pvp-focussed entities such as Anarchy Empire. In comparison, Goonswarm or Freelancer Alliance provide a massive amount of kills. I do not speak for PRVTR leadership, but the most likely outcome of this will be 5-6 long-term wardecs of the more 'juicy' alliances, and an additional 4-5 'cycling' wardecs. EDIT: Oh yes, and I'm fairly sure a certain canine-related alliance with a certain forum-posting idiot whose name begins with 'mini' and ends with 'gin' will recieve a permanent wardec regardless :) Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Merick Dronome Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Merick Dronome on 18/04/2007 05:09:37 What? You mean the Privateer's actions will now have consequences tied to them? No more free for all? You could also look at this way, their killing spree has caused such massive inflation, that Concord realized that their expenses had increased as well, due to the Privateer's insatiable apatite, and were forced to raise their fees, fines, levys as well. Oh well, such is life. /me does a little dance. Oh, and yes, us industrialists and miners own all, to bad CCP won't cave on getting us equipment and ships on par with the PvPers equipment and ships. (Read: Give us Capital class ships to do our jobs also!) Oh wait, one more thing. Real men don't need to PvP in empire, because they they own 0.0
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:33:00 - [36] This isn't so much a nerf of a specific alliance as it is a redress of something that was odd way before privateers took advantage of it. The ridiculously cheap cost of an Empire war-dec has been queried since I started playing the game some six months ago. Since their formation, privateers would seem to have understood exactly what they were doing as being within game mechanics but not as the mechanics themselves were intended to effect gameplay. CCP, whilst not intending to make 0.5+ carbear sanctuaries, didn't intend them to become gank arena's where dopes with bigger guns could loot at will. This, in effect is exactly what happened and CCP have taken steps to redress the balance. As they should have done. A guy from U'K in a since locked thread said something which I also thought was relevant, which was that the plethora of war-decs was incompatable with the backstory. As if Empires would suffer that kind of conflict in their soveriegn space? They wouldn't. So a change was coming. As for Privateers now, I'm sure they'll cut their cloth to suit the new circumstances in which they'll have to operate. For those players who feel the game has much more to it than just PvP this is a step in the right direction and a little overdue. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Altai Saker Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:42:00 - [37] according to the devblog: Dec cost 550 big increase oh well that sucks: Upkeep week one: 550/11(war)/1(weeks) = 50m / = division unless I should never have passed 4th grade? http://www.omniscient-order.com/
Cleonius BoBo Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Altai Saker according to the devblog: Dec cost 550 big increase oh well that sucks: Upkeep week one: 550/11(war)/1(weeks) = 50m / = division unless I should never have passed 4th grade? In this case it means 'per'. So 550m per war per week. The price of war / week is 50 * (nb of wars)^2 1 war : 50m 2 war : 200m 3 war : 450m 4 war : 800m 5 war : 1.25b 6 war : 1.8b 7 war : 2.45b 8 war : 3.2b 9 war : 4.05b 10 war : 5b 11 war : 6.05b
Ironnight Caldari x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:03:00 - [39] Edited by: Ironnight on 18/04/2007 07:00:19 sigh, carebear alliances gets protected thats just sad. Originally by: kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07 The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP
MaxCpt Space Raiders	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:12:00 - [40] Edited by: MaxCpt on 18/04/2007 07:08:20 GG, the carebears win again. F*king sad!

Hamalicious Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:19:00 - [41] I would not be quick to blame it on the carebears guys, there the ones who supply the eve economy. Without them your all screwed. I am just going to speculate hear, but we might start to see a price drop in low end minerals soon, now that a few of these carebear corps can again freely suck down the veld like there is no tomorrow.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:27:00 - [42] Originally by: MaxCpt Edited by: MaxCpt on 18/04/2007 07:08:20 GG, the carebears win again. F*king sad! Don't you know that all us carebears are really ccp alts and we rule all. If you don't like the way things work, go play WoW, I for one welcome our new carebear overloards _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
MaxCpt Space Raiders	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Ket Halpak Originally by: MaxCpt Edited by: MaxCpt on 18/04/2007 07:08:20 GG, the carebears win again. F*king sad! Don't you know that all us carebears are really ccp alts and we rule all. If you don't like the way things work, go play WoW, I for one welcome our new carebear overloards Baah WOW is boring :P
Ginja Breadman	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:37:00 - [44] \- Gj ccp
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:02:00 - [45] Well, at least privateers forced a change in game mechanics, something that not everyone can say they are responsible for.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:15:00 - [46] just say you pay the party who you delcare war on to give them 1/3th of the war cost if they make it mutual.. If they have a good rep Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Shufo ([email protected]) ->My Vids<-
Shadowsword Kermit Space Industies	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:24:00 - [47] Reply from one of the few privateers that aren't moaning around: Quote: Realistically, I see this having a fundamental change in how we operate, but it will only be a negative change if we allow it to be. Real difference, we will have less declared wars. Ok. So, will I crawl away defeated? No, never. There will be less targets, true, but that will also be liberating to a degree. It opens up the ability to really start to target our efforts and have a greater impact in each individual war we have. No longer will we randomly pop whatever we see, but we will be proactively pursuing our enemies. We may no longer accept every contract that is requested of us, but we will have the ability to pick and choose the most lucrative and entertaining ones. We won't be patrolling with a wide net, catching whatever the tide may bring. I hope to see us grow in effectiveness, stay true to our ideals, and continue being a scourge upon those we choose. So they will be less pirates in high-sec and more active enemies. How can this be a bad thing? We might even see them operate more in low-sec and 0.0. ------------------------------------------ A big nuke may be nice in a strategy game, but something like this in a game where every unit is a player, and each death costly, is insane.
Valhalior Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:34:00 - [48] Well I hope it won't kill Privateers as an alliance. From my point of view they are the greatest achievement in Eve-O in the last 2 years. Alliance 0.0 wars, low sec pirates it's all an old and common story. Privateers made hi-sec much more exciting. So guys donÆt give up and don't let those carebears to ruin our fun -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Retired Beagle
Xtreem Gallente Fire Mandrill Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:36:00 - [49] adapt or die, this what is stated often, we will adapt, plans are in action and it will be noticed. oh and on a side note people keep saying empire is meant to be safe and its more realistic.. if say, Egnland or america decided to pop a cruise missile into every other country in the world and start wars with them all, its not like they would even have to pay fees, and ther would be no "safe place" within the counties at war, so as it was before this nerf is more realistic than the new changes.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:41:00 - [50] Well, that's what happens when someone overdraws the bow, and it was only a matter of time until this happens. Privateers have asked for that. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!

Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:45:00 - [51] Well... What happens to those corps that simply leave an allience while its at war? It happens a lot right now, who's willing to bet that it will start happening more and more. The MC war decs an allience and the very next day there's 10 more mails from Concord, this essentually gives half of those people immunity.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:59:00 - [52] This change is very stupid. Especially that a new wardec changes the costs of all other wars as well. And then adding such a cost explosion, by the factor of 2 for each more war. I am really not a friend of Privateers and how they (ab)used the current war system. But this change goes far beyond any reasonable considerations and is the death of all the mercenary corps. Having three, four wars ongoing will be impossible for the not so big corps. Oh, and if you want to make it even harder for your enemy, wardec yourself with one or two alt corps. This is not that expensive to pay. But the third war will cost already 300m/week at least! And a wardecing corp must pay these 300m because the amount of wars I am currently in is also used in determining the effective war costs for anyone who wardecs me. Well done
Den enjen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:28:00 - [53] I can relate to the pro's and cons given on this new change. But also take a look from a new players side. After the tutorial i joined a corp. About 1 week when i was in it the Privateers declared war agains our alliance. The war ended without any diferance for me (i even did'nt know how to recognise a war target). Then, a week later, The Privateers declared war again. This time i learned (the hard way) what a war target looked like. I got popped twice, within 30 minutes i lost two Ferox's. (Thank you Raven Owa ) I think the new change eventualy benefit the privateers and other pirate, but also negative influence some players and corps. But this is better then a mass war decleration What will happen (i.m.h.o) is that the privateers and others will declare war against juicy targets. They will do so until there nothing left to hunt for, thus making the Eve-life of some player almost impossible to play, because they always will be a target. But this is something the players have to get used too and is a part of the game and hopfully will stay a part of the game. And yes, i'm a "carebear" but i can live with the fact that i may be a target. This keeps the game interesting for me and, hopefully, one day i can pop one of the privateers. -=Red Dwarf Mining Corparation=-
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix This is sad... very very sad. A dark day for Privateers. I'm am very disappointed in you CCP, bowing underneath the pressure of a bunch of whiners... very, very disappointed. QFT! I was one of the first corps that joined that wonderful alliance back in 12/2006. It's kinda sad to see that CCP made clear statement that mainstream is way to go and nerffed wardeccin'. So long Privateers and thanks for the wonderful and warm memories you provided to us! o7 Proud member of Cult of War and Amarr 4tw Finnish people seeking PvP, contact me ingame!
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:41:00 - [55] Its nice to see that CCP listen to reason. This change also explains why the alliance mail yesterday (and probably today) contained a large number or wardecs/retracts from corps leaving privateers.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:46:00 - [56] I always considerd the Privateers business model a brilliant meta gaming scheeme, CCP never intended high sec space to be free gank area for pirates, that is what low sec and 0.0 is for. By declaring on 50+ alliances/corps privateers have reached critical mass allowing them to permacamp the main routes and hub's in empire, cheesy tactic, but very effective and "fun" as long as you are the camper. I live in 0.0 almost exclusively and I am used to having wars declared on my alliance, so we have been using npc-corp alts for the resupply runs that are regularly needed. The true loosers are the newer players that dont get the opportunity to join eve university or other such newb training alliances or corps, they simply cant exist with the privateers around. So the first 3-4 months of getting used to eve is either solo or in station. I am sure that cant be good for the aftergrowth of eve members. I am not a carebear, but i have to say, for the sake of the game, this is a good change. If privateers want to gank, they can do it in low sec or in 0.0, that is what it is there for. /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
Den enjen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:50:00 - [57] Why would corps leave the Privateers? Aldough the wartargets would be smaller in amount, the target's that would be around should be fat and juicy. Or did the Alliance fee of the Privateers change to a mutch higher ammount? -=Red Dwarf Mining Corparation=-
Mekarae Amarr House Mekarae	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Lorth Well... What happens to those corps that simply leave an allience while its at war? It happens a lot right now, who's willing to bet that it will start happening more and more. The MC war decs an allience and the very next day there's 10 more mails from Concord, this essentually gives half of those people immunity. That's a good point actually. If CONCORD/CCP has increased the price for war decs AND you dec an alliance THEN you should have kill rights for every corp in that alliance for a week regardless of whether they leave or not. -------------------------- "...strength through aristocratic rule."
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:12:00 - [59] This is probably the first of many changes coming, as we get closer to Revelations 2 and 3. It has long been known that the war declaration costs were to cheap given the ease of earning money in the game. I wouldn't suggest folks have corps leave and rejoin alliances to avoid the war declaration costs. I can easily see that being declared an exploit after this system is implemented. I'm gonna hate myself for this but there is a way to not entirely destroy Privateers and to also maintain the style of play they have come accustomed to. I shouldn't say this but the easiest solution would not be to remain a single alliance. By breaking up into a smaller alliance they could have more wars for less cost than as a single large alliance. You could split it up into 4 or 5 different Privateers alliances: Privateers-Caldari State Privateers-Minmatar Republic Privateers-Gallante Federation Privateers-Amarr Empire Privateers-Ammatar Mandate Then each of these would operate in the NPC region they are named after. This might also help you later in Revelations once Factional Warfare arrives. It would mean smaller alliances of course, but it would mean you could declare more targets. Tailoring it to each Empire you might get more targets than you have now. Each of the above could have 3 wars for example at 150 million per war per week. 450 million. Then multiply by the 5 'member' alliances and that's still 2.25 billion per week on war declarations. I realize that it might not be as you are used to now but I think you could survive. As a single alliance 7 wars would cost 350 million per war per week. Or 2.45 billion per week. I believe this change is mostly due to Privateers, had you guys kept it to around 20 wars, I don't think they would have ever implemented this change. So in some ways you can raise your heads high and be proud that you caused a game mechanic change, much like mOo in the early days caused several game mechanic changes. I don't think this will impact mercenary corps as much as some fear. Mercenaries will just raise their prices accordingly. It might make hiring multiple mercenary corps harder against the same target. It might also dampen some merc corps you maintain multiple wars at the same time but they could overcome that by charging more isks. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:10:00 - [60] Thats a sad change but had to be done. Because Priv ruin the war dec system by taking the ** Dev needed to take this kind of action. So because of Priv behavor other corp, Alliance will suffer. I like said tho this needed to be done to stop Priv taking the ** and now EVE and there stuff with out using alts as much! AFK hauling for the win!! ------------------------------------ "There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others"



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