Originally by: GTC CH

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In a sense, the pvpers of 0.0 are whining to CCP that there agent running alts in empire keep getting ganked so *raise war fee's* in hope that PRIVS will drop Decs

Wrong

PRIVS make so much money off loot that the isk of 100 - 50 mil means nothing to them

If anything, the PRIVS as it where will work harder for kills for loot for ISK

ALl the whinners have done, is incrased the PRIVS determination to seek them out where ever they are, and yes, they will fight on there own terms

They just well, for the lack of a better term

Shafted themselves

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Originally by: GTC CH

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Umm, the cost of 50 wardecs just went from 2500m isk to something like 100b isk a week.

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Originally by: Zyta Eke

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Edited by: Zyta Eke on 17/04/2007 22:29:59
Edited by: Zyta Eke on 17/04/2007 22:29:35

Originally by: GTC CH

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Umm, the cost of 50 wardecs just went from 2500m isk to something like 100b isk a week.

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I don't think so. The cost will be very high to set them all up, but it will still only cost 2500m isk per week after that.

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Originally by: Zyta Eke

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Alright, maybe I'm being dense, but in the example from the blog they had 10 wars for 500m isk/week and went to 11 wars for 550m isk/week. That's only an increase of 50m isk/week, yes? Isn't that what it costs now?

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Originally by: Sexorella hotz

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Originally by: Zyta Eke

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Alright, maybe I'm being dense, but in the example from the blog they had 10 wars for 500m isk/week and went to 11 wars for 550m isk/week. That's only an increase of 50m isk/week, yes? Isn't that what it costs now?

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No, costs increase on all wars, if you had 10 wars and go up to 11, your weekly cost goes up by 500M, from 5B to 5.5B

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Originally by: GTC CH

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Edited by: GTC CH on 17/04/2007 22:16:28
Whats your point? And why do you care? Or did you post with the wrong account?

Because from what your sayingm you seem to be a PRIV

Hmm?

*Edit*

1st!

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Originally by: Taran Summers

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Money-grubbing CONCORD has decided that the number of wars declared by the aggressor will now also count to increase the war prices and the larger of the two is used to determine the war instigation and upkeep fees.

Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled.

That's from the dev blog.

Would anyone like to speculate on the potential impact on the privateers and/or the large coalition/alliance war going on? I'm not skilled enough in warfare to understand the implications of this and would like opinions please.

Thank you for your time.

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Originally by: Sexorella hotz

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Originally by: Zyta Eke

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Alright, maybe I'm being dense, but in the example from the blog they had 10 wars for 500m isk/week and went to 11 wars for 550m isk/week. That's only an increase of 50m isk/week, yes? Isn't that what it costs now?

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No, costs increase on all wars, if you had 10 wars and go up to 11, your weekly cost goes up by 500M, from 5B to 5.5B

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Originally by: Namingway

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Originally by: Sexorella hotz

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Originally by: Zyta Eke

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Alright, maybe I'm being dense, but in the example from the blog they had 10 wars for 500m isk/week and went to 11 wars for 550m isk/week. That's only an increase of 50m isk/week, yes? Isn't that what it costs now?

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No, costs increase on all wars, if you had 10 wars and go up to 11, your weekly cost goes up by 500M, from 5B to 5.5B

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It goes to 6.05b actually.

550m * 11 =! 5.5b

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Originally by: GTC CH

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In a sense, the pvpers of 0.0 are whining to CCP that there agent running alts in empire keep getting ganked so *raise war fee's* in hope that PRIVS will drop Decs

Wrong

PRIVS make so much money off loot that the isk of 100 - 50 mil means nothing to them

If anything, the PRIVS as it where will work harder for kills for loot for ISK

ALl the whinners have done, is incrased the PRIVS determination to seek them out where ever they are, and yes, they will fight on there own terms

They just well, for the lack of a better term

Shafted themselves

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Originally by: Stamm

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Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: Hiesi

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Well I can see this sending a lot of PRIV's into low sec further reducing traffic through those areas. I think you'll see a lot more low sec camps now. good luck getting haulers through 0.0 -> empire with a crowded low sec.

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Originally by: Taran Summers

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Money-grubbing CONCORD has decided that the number of wars declared by the aggressor will now also count to increase the war prices and the larger of the two is used to determine the war instigation and upkeep fees.

Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled.

That's from the dev blog.

Would anyone like to speculate on the potential impact on the privateers and/or the large coalition/alliance war going on? I'm not skilled enough in warfare to understand the implications of this and would like opinions please.

Thank you for your time.

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Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix

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Originally by: Taran Summers

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Money-grubbing CONCORD has decided that the number of wars declared by the aggressor will now also count to increase the war prices and the larger of the two is used to determine the war instigation and upkeep fees.

Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled.

That's from the dev blog.

Would anyone like to speculate on the potential impact on the privateers and/or the large coalition/alliance war going on? I'm not skilled enough in warfare to understand the implications of this and would like opinions please.

Thank you for your time.

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This is sad... very very sad. A dark day for Privateers. I'm am very disappointed in you CCP, bowing underneath the pressure of a bunch of whiners... very, very disappointed.

Though I remmeber a long time ago when alot of nay-sayers were saying that Privateers were nothing like mOo because mOo forced CCP to change game mechanics... well... I guess Privateers accoplished that as well now.

Still... CCP I am shaking my head at you... nothing new really...

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Originally by: FuzzBuzz

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doesnt this mean alot of merc corps will die as well, the price just got expensive for all small mecr corps, and any corp out there that wants to dec any other corp.

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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according to the devblog:

Dec cost 550 big increase oh well that sucks:

Upkeep week one: 550/11(war)/1(weeks) = 50m

/ = division unless I should never have passed 4th grade?

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Originally by: kieron

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Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer

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Originally by: t20 Posted on 02.07.07

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The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP

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Originally by: MaxCpt

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Edited by: MaxCpt on 18/04/2007 07:08:20
GG, the carebears win again. F*king sad!

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Originally by: Ket Halpak

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Originally by: MaxCpt

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Edited by: MaxCpt on 18/04/2007 07:08:20
GG, the carebears win again. F*king sad!

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Don't you know that all us carebears are really ccp alts and we rule all. If you don't like the way things work, go play WoW, I for one welcome our new carebear overloards

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Realistically, I see this having a fundamental change in how we operate, but it will only be a negative change if we allow it to be.

Real difference, we will have less declared wars. Ok. So, will I crawl away defeated? No, never.

There will be less targets, true, but that will also be liberating to a degree. It opens up the ability to really start to target our efforts and have a greater impact in each individual war we have. No longer will we randomly pop whatever we see, but we will be proactively pursuing our enemies. We may no longer accept every contract that is requested of us, but we will have the ability to pick and choose the most lucrative and entertaining ones.

We won't be patrolling with a wide net, catching whatever the tide may bring. I hope to see us grow in effectiveness, stay true to our ideals, and continue being a scourge upon those we choose.

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Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix

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This is sad... very very sad. A dark day for Privateers. I'm am very disappointed in you CCP, bowing underneath the pressure of a bunch of whiners... very, very disappointed.

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Originally by: Lorth

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Well...

What happens to those corps that simply leave an allience while its at war? It happens a lot right now, who's willing to bet that it will start happening more and more.

The MC war decs an allience and the very next day there's 10 more mails from Concord, this essentually gives half of those people immunity.

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Originally by: Sa'Sil

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hahahahahaha *breaths* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Awe poor little 4-4 muppets have to actually work for there kills.

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Originally by: Kieranda

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so there a no changes that a corp with an active war can still join an alliance and let them get that wardec for cheap?

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Originally by: Marsha11

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Once again it has been proven that if enough carebears whine consistently and for a long period of time that the Dev's will cave in.

What Privateers had was legal, within the rules and lot of fun for both us and our targets. Most of our targets enjoyed a free war against people who they knew were gonna come out and fight... OK some didn't, but after all this is a PVP game, what we have done has been to long coming to the mission runners of EVE...

So a big congratulations to all the people who spammed these forums over the past few months over something that should not have required a 'nerf', but instead a Dev response that showed they were still committed to letting people play the game however they liked as long as it was not exploiting any rules... Oh and had it been considered an exploit in the Dev's eyes it would have been removed immediately, So no witty responses about that please...

Again, Congratulations... you just ruined the game for alot of people, both Privateers and targets...

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Originally by: Sa'Sil

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hahahahaha *breaths* HAHAHAHAHA

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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf

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I shouldn't say this but the easiest solution would not be to remain a single alliance. By breaking up into a smaller alliance they could have more wars for less cost than as a single large alliance.

You could split it up into 4 or 5 different Privateers alliances:
*snip*

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Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix

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This is sad... very very sad. A dark day for Privateers. I'm am very disappointed in you CCP, bowing underneath the pressure of a bunch of whiners... very, very disappointed.

Though I remmeber a long time ago when alot of nay-sayers were saying that Privateers were nothing like mOo because mOo forced CCP to change game mechanics... well... I guess Privateers accoplished that as well now.

Still... CCP I am shaking my head at you... nothing new really...

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Originally by: Stanis

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TBH it's a good change. Most of the alliances wich want to wardec more then 5 targets are stupidly rich anyway =P

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Originally by: Xtreem

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oh and on a side note people keep saying empire is meant to be safe and its more realistic.. if say, Egnland or america decided to pop a cruise missile into every other country in the world and start wars with them all, its not like they would even have to pay fees, and ther would be no "safe place" within the counties at war, so as it was before this nerf is more realistic than the new changes.

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Originally by: M3ta

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Ya know... I'm not going to comment on the change.
I'm not going to comment on what Privateers will do to counteract it.
I'm not going to comment on the carebears chestbeating their "now safer empire carebearing hauling trips".

But i will say this: A devblog referring to "alliance P" is an obvious direct remark on Privateers, and it was rude, uncalled for, and obviously out of line.

Shame on a DevBlog blatanly nerfing a specific alliance so openly.
At least try to get an excuse.
We are used to that.

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Originally by: Sexorella hotz

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Originally by: M3ta

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Ya know... I'm not going to comment on the change.
I'm not going to comment on what Privateers will do to counteract it.
I'm not going to comment on the carebears chestbeating their "now safer empire carebearing hauling trips".

But i will say this: A devblog referring to "alliance P" is an obvious direct remark on Privateers, and it was rude, uncalled for, and obviously out of line.

Shame on a DevBlog blatanly nerfing a specific alliance so openly.
At least try to get an excuse.
We are used to that.

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I suppose its a nerf if everything was working as intended prior to the change, however if it was an exploit, as most would agree it is, then it is merely a fix, not a nerf. The war dec system was not intended to bring about PVP to those preferring to stay in Empire. The war dec system was intended for those with specific goals in empire(imo of course, but what other purpose could the original system have had), not an easy way for alliances to turn empire into 0.0.

Furthermore, the war dec system was a way for two alliances in 0.0 to bring pressure upon each other in empire. The fact that right now one alliance, with ample funds, can bring an empire dec upon a much smaller alliance, who may perhaps lack the funds, without ANY repurcussions cause they've hired out the war dec to privateers, is a bit off balance. Therefore I don't think its a nerf, its a much needed fix.

If anyone is to blame for this, its privateers. People who don't abuse the war dec system won't suffer from this change. If the premise of your alliance wasn't a lame way to get yourselves easy PVP against targets who are otherwise too preoccupied to deal with you directly, this wouldn't have happened. Privateers get their targets at zero cost and zero risk, zero cost because others pay for it, and zero risk because they have no assets, no goals, and they are pointless to fight as they dock in the face of any reasonable opposing force(which causes said opposing forces to not exist). The last half of this paragraph is perhaps the most important reason privateers are getting what they deserved.

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Originally by: NATMav

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I hope Privateers finds some other way to continue what they were doing. Someone finally made a unique castle in the sandbox, and CCP came along and stepped on it. Privateers can take solace in the fact that they have made their way into EVE's history books, and that they earned their own Alliance P engraved nerfbat from CCP.

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Originally by: Hiesi

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Well I can see this sending a lot of PRIV's into low sec further reducing traffic through those areas. I think you'll see a lot more low sec camps now. good luck getting haulers through 0.0 -> empire with a crowded low sec.

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Originally by: Marsha11

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Once again it has been proven that if enough carebears whine consistently and for a long period of time that the Dev's will cave in.

What Privateers had was legal, within the rules and lot of fun for both us and our targets. Most of our targets enjoyed a free war against people who they knew were gonna come out and fight... OK some didn't, but after all this is a PVP game, what we have done has been to long coming to the mission runners of EVE...

So a big congratulations to all the people who spammed these forums over the past few months over something that should not have required a 'nerf', but instead a Dev response that showed they were still committed to letting people play the game however they liked as long as it was not exploiting any rules... Oh and had it been considered an exploit in the Dev's eyes it would have been removed immediately, So no witty responses about that please...

Again, Congratulations... you just ruined the game for alot of people, both Privateers and targets...

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details

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Originally by: Minigin

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Edited by: Minigin on 18/04/2007 02:54:42

Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix

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Originally by: Taran Summers

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Money-grubbing CONCORD has decided that the number of wars declared by the aggressor will now also count to increase the war prices and the larger of the two is used to determine the war instigation and upkeep fees.

Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled.

That's from the dev blog.

Would anyone like to speculate on the potential impact on the privateers and/or the large coalition/alliance war going on? I'm not skilled enough in warfare to understand the implications of this and would like opinions please.

Thank you for your time.

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This is sad... very very sad. A dark day for Privateers. I'm am very disappointed in you CCP, bowing underneath the pressure of a bunch of whiners... very, very disappointed.

Though I remmeber a long time ago when alot of nay-sayers were saying that Privateers were nothing like mOo because mOo forced CCP to change game mechanics... well... I guess Privateers accoplished that as well now.

Still... CCP I am shaking my head at you... nothing new really...

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oh grow up... you wanted your fun at the expence of nearly every major alliance in game... now that ccp changed the rules to keep this game somewhat realistic(by game standards) and in ballance you whine about whiners... ironc.

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Originally by: Xtreem

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adapt or die, this what is stated often, we will adapt, plans are in action and it will be noticed.

oh and on a side note people keep saying empire is meant to be safe and its more realistic.. if say, Egnland or america decided to pop a cruise missile into every other country in the world and start wars with them all, its not like they would even have to pay fees, and ther would be no "safe place" within the counties at war, so as it was before this nerf is more realistic than the new changes.

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Originally by: boogaboob

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... The same is true of pvp-focussed entities such as Anarchy Empire. In comparison, Goonswarm or Freelancer Alliance provide a massive amount of kills...

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Ahh the token Astral Wolves post. Funny that such an immature forumer as yourself is telling others to grow up.

You claim this makes the game more realistic (by game standards)... I scoff at that. There's alot of new players that find a home in Privateers, and it helps them to quickly learn the game. Sure you can do Eve-uni, and they do a great job. But The Privateers do it in a different sense. You people continually complain that all Empire space is just carebears and people needed to move out to 0.0, well the Privateers made empire not to safe. You should be thanking them for making macro miners and carebears think twice about jumping through the next gate or afk hauling.

The hypocrisy is just sadening.

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Originally by: Seyah Remmus

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Yes i killed haulers. When one passes you in 0.0, do you say "nope, cant kill it, its not a combat vessel" ?? NO
Yes i docked up in the face of a blob. And lost ships to blobs. its all part of the fun.

Now, how we operate is going to change. But i think no matter what happens...

..the people of Privateers, will never die. We will not fade away. We will still be apain in yr backsides. In one form or another.

I look forward to the future.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Everyone kills haulers, even when they smack you in local, and tell you that you are a tard because it was empty...seeing it blow up is reward enough

I am glad some of the Privateers like yourself have a healthy attitude towards this change...and I am sure you will find your fun

But...dont blame the carebears for this change, I acknowledge of course that there are many of you that enjoy roaming gangs etc...but you cannot deny (chk your own killboard ) that Privateers have killed 3 times more ships in Jita than anywhere else....and a whole heap of them would have been petitioned for black screen death, causing GM's a pile of work.

Maybe you should have looked at your own ranks and questioned the actions of the Jita 23/7 campers internally...because it seems that the lazy few, who could not be bothered to work for their kills, have in fact messed it all up for the majority of you that enjoyed the hunting.

You know who they are mate...and it's not hard for us to see either as your boards are public

Good luck to you in future 07

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: Seyah Remmus

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Yes i killed haulers. When one passes you in 0.0, do you say "nope, cant kill it, its not a combat vessel" ?? NO
Yes i docked up in the face of a blob. And lost ships to blobs. its all part of the fun.

Now, how we operate is going to change. But i think no matter what happens...

..the people of Privateers, will never die. We will not fade away. We will still be apain in yr backsides. In one form or another.

I look forward to the future.

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Everyone kills haulers, even when they smack you in local, and tell you that you are a tard because it was empty...seeing it blow up is reward enough

I am glad some of the Privateers like yourself have a healthy attitude towards this change...and I am sure you will find your fun

But...dont blame the carebears for this change, I acknowledge of course that there are many of you that enjoy roaming gangs etc...but you cannot deny (chk your own killboard ) that Privateers have killed 3 times more ships in Jita than anywhere else....and a whole heap of them would have been petitioned for black screen death, causing GM's a pile of work.

Maybe you should have looked at your own ranks and questioned the actions of the Jita 23/7 campers internally...because it seems that the lazy few, who could not be bothered to work for their kills, have in fact messed it all up for the majority of you that enjoyed the hunting.

You know who they are mate...and it's not hard for us to see either as your boards are public

Good luck to you in future 07

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Originally by: Merick Dronome

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Just a few minor points to make..

1). Do you (Alliance P) really think your PvPing when killing haulers? I mean they can only mount 1 small gun, and have no drones. Where I come from thats called shooting fish in a bucket. But if you big men think its PvP, who am I to correct you.

2. And I quote from a not so old Privateer post when they first started thier 'fun', this was directed at the community at large. 'quit your whining, adapt, and move on'.

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Originally by: Seyah Remmus

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Ahh the token Astral Wolves post. Funny that such an immature forumer as yourself is telling others to grow up.

You claim this makes the game more realistic (by game standards)... I scoff at that. There's alot of new players that find a home in Privateers, and it helps them to quickly learn the game. Sure you can do Eve-uni, and they do a great job. But The Privateers do it in a different sense. You people continually complain that all Empire space is just carebears and people needed to move out to 0.0, well the Privateers made empire not to safe. You should be thanking them for making macro miners and carebears think twice about jumping through the next gate or afk hauling.

The hypocrisy is just sadening.

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This guy gets best reply of the thread award.

Its too true what youve said. People constantly complain and will continue to do so, about people stayin gin empire.
Yes im a privateer.
No im not whining about the nerf. Whats done is done. instead ive been speaking to others, both in corp, and alliance, and we've been discussing what happens next.
Ive been in Privateers, for about 4 months now. And it is easily been the most fun ive had. For the first 6 months or so i was a carebear, npcing and running missions.
Then i joined Penetrate, which became Bad Karma, and we roamed around 0.0 in small gangs. I thought THAT was the most fun id had. When that corp become an alliance, all the 0.0 politics crap really ****ed me off.

I dont want to jump into a system and have half of them be blue to me. I want to kill people. Simple.

Then privateers came along. Myself and a mate joined, and we were both really nervous about joining, that knowing the moment we clicked the "accept offer" button, several 10's if not 100's of thousands of pilots would be able to kill us ANYWHERE!

It was a great rush and it has been every day since.

Yes i killed haulers. When one passes you in 0.0, do you say "nope, cant kill it, its not a combat vessel" ?? NO
Yes i docked up in the face of a blob. And lost ships to blobs. its all part of the fun.

Now, how we operate is going to change. But i think no matter what happens...

..the people of Privateers, will never die. We will not fade away. We will still be apain in yr backsides. In one form or another.

I look forward to the future.

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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf

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This is probably the first of many changes coming, as we get closer to Revelations 2 and 3.

It has long been known that the war declaration costs were to cheap given the ease of earning money in the game.

I wouldn't suggest folks have corps leave and rejoin alliances to avoid the war declaration costs. I can easily see that being declared an exploit after this system is implemented.

I'm gonna hate myself for this but there is a way to not entirely destroy Privateers and to also maintain the style of play they have come accustomed to.

I shouldn't say this but the easiest solution would not be to remain a single alliance. By breaking up into a smaller alliance they could have more wars for less cost than as a single large alliance.

You could split it up into 4 or 5 different Privateers alliances:

Privateers-Caldari State
Privateers-Minmatar Republic
Privateers-Gallante Federation
Privateers-Amarr Empire
Privateers-Ammatar Mandate

Then each of these would operate in the NPC region they are named after. This might also help you later in Revelations once Factional Warfare arrives.

It would mean smaller alliances of course, but it would mean you could declare more targets. Tailoring it to each Empire you might get more targets than you have now.

Each of the above could have 3 wars for example at 150 million per war per week. 450 million. Then multiply by the 5 'member' alliances and that's still 2.25 billion per week on war declarations.

I realize that it might not be as you are used to now but I think you could survive.

As a single alliance 7 wars would cost 350 million per war per week. Or 2.45 billion per week.

I believe this change is mostly due to Privateers, had you guys kept it to around 20 wars, I don't think they would have ever implemented this change. So in some ways you can raise your heads high and be proud that you caused a game mechanic change, much like mOo in the early days caused several game mechanic changes.

I don't think this will impact mercenary corps as much as some fear. Mercenaries will just raise their prices accordingly. It might make hiring multiple mercenary corps harder against the same target. It might also dampen some merc corps you maintain multiple wars at the same time but they could overcome that by charging more isks.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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These days the biggest/most active threat in Fountain is the Sparta Alliance.

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Originally by: Hiesi

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Well I can see this sending a lot of PRIV's into low sec further reducing traffic through those areas. I think you'll see a lot more low sec camps now. good luck getting haulers through 0.0 -> empire with a crowded low sec.

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Originally by: sorilin

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shouldent they be in 00 help pvp there or mine or whatever.. njaaa stop whiing about privateers... they do good ****. i know all stc has gone to 00 not only because of privateers ofc, but they were a helping factor. so thank you priv.. keep the decs running. hell all alliances should pay priv to keep decing them.. then we could keep our members in 00 or make the carabeers to leave.. all very good.

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Originally by: Fubarski

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Originally by: sorilin

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shouldent they be in 00 help pvp there or mine or whatever.. njaaa stop whiing about privateers... they do good ****. i know all stc has gone to 00 not only because of privateers ofc, but they were a helping factor. so thank you priv.. keep the decs running. hell all alliances should pay priv to keep decing them.. then we could keep our members in 00 or make the carabeers to leave.. all very good.

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Yeah, I'm certain PA was an entirely philanthropic affair.

Which explains why they decced Eve University.

/sarcasm

Fubar

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Originally by: Wyehr

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This is just shameful.

The Privateers were playing by the rules and winning, so rather than adapt to their methods, the community runs crying home to mommy?

The most pathetic thing about this is that the Privateer targets are normally big alliances, the exact people who should be most capable of escorting their haulers in empire.

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Originally by: Wyehr

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This is just shameful.

The Privateers were playing by the rules and winning, so rather than adapt to their methods, the community runs crying home to mommy?

The most pathetic thing about this is that the Privateer targets are normally big alliances, the exact people who should be most capable of escorting their haulers in empire.

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Originally by: Kruel

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Originally by: Wyehr

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This is just shameful.

The Privateers were playing by the rules and winning, so rather than adapt to their methods, the community runs crying home to mommy?

The most pathetic thing about this is that the Privateer targets are normally big alliances, the exact people who should be most capable of escorting their haulers in empire.

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How dare you use logic and common sense on this forum!

The carebear way of "adapting" is by coming to the forums.

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Originally by: Kruel

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It'll just be happening on a smaller scale now is all. CCP haven't fixed anything.

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Originally by: Arii Smith

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I really, REALLY hope that Privateers find a way to get around this and stick it right to those whiny carebears.

It sickens me that CCP has caved into public pressure like this. It would make my day if Privateers could get around it and still stick it to the carebear babies that need to be coddled every second of their playtime.

As for the cost of wars, I will donate 5m a week to the increased costs of these wars. I never have been much of a fan of CCP, and I wish they would get a kick in the teeth, but changing game mechanics is not the solution. It is really pathetic that the only way the carebears can think of to fight back is to change the rules.

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Originally by: Silmas

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Not sure if this has been said before, at least didn't notice it.

What there was before, was a game imbalance found by one alliance, and it was 'exploited' to the maximum. The war declaring system never was supposed to work like that, being so cheap declaring so big amount of targets. Now, it is stil POSSIBLE, do not forget that. It's just made expensive.

I would compare this fix similar to WCS fix, double-MWD fix or nano-BS fix. Those features just were not supposed to be around in means of balanced gameplay. Neither was this.

Privateers idea is still very viable, you just have to pick your targets according to your wallet size. I hope you continue.

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Originally by: Silmas

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What there was before, was a game imbalance found by one alliance, and it was 'exploited' to the maximum. The war declaring system never was supposed to work like that, being so cheap declaring so big amount of targets. Now, it is stil POSSIBLE, do not forget that. It's just made expensive.

I would compare this fix similar to WCS fix, double-MWD fix or nano-BS fix. Those features just were not supposed to be around in means of balanced gameplay. Neither was this.

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