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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 08:41:00 -
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How can it be possible that people can get away with that?
Now before anyone tells me go to low sec - this is NOT what its about!
If someone scans me in highsec during a mission and then salvages my wrecks - so be it.
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If I cant attack him without getting concorded this is plain stupid and has NOTHING to do with pvp-orientated.
In my eyes this is only exploiting.
CCP PLEASE fix ASAP 
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:45:00 -
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*sigh*
Then something is not logic and/or wrong.
I killed the ship - The items in the ship belong to me but the wreck doesnt??? Wheres the logic in that?
This person who is salvaging my (not my whatever wreck) is using highsec as protection (he is griefing me) If I cannot legitamtly fight a griefer it turns into harrasment...
As I said I have np that it is possible (even in highsec that someone can scan me and then loot wrecks which I(!) have only killed 30 sec ago)BUT I cant attack this player?!
This person knows this and does it BECAUSE he/she knows he/she is safe because not criminally flagged..........
This illogical - has NOTHING to do with pvp-orientated game - is an exploit in my eyes !!
Everything has risk/reward in eve - and thats how it should be in eve,but this is ZERO risk and only ****es people off.
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Darqion Zenix
no use brownnosing ccp by acting all smart.. a NPC dont own anything, and i am pretty sure i killed the dude that now resides in the pile of scrapmetal floating in space. pretty hard to own something when you are dead.
so now.. if the items are mine, that means killing that ship did something to claim ownership of said items, but what would stop me from clasifying the salvage (which is nothing more then another loot of stuff that wasnt simply in the cargo bay) as nothing more then extra loot ? and therefor concider it my own.
thinking otherwise is.. weird at best. theres enough easymode "pirating" in this game, and when people come in and just take a ton of your earnings(just like ore thieving ?) without being able to shoot them, its broken nothing more
This guy is smart - listen to him - 100% my opinion ;)
This is exactly what I have been trying to say !!!
Something IS BROKEN
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rabbitual Ferrier
If someone salvages an NPC wreck, he flashes red for you, same as a can rob. Also if they rob your own wreck, then they activate your right to respond.
Sounds fair enough.... and it makes ratting and mining in lower high sec more fun.
No - thats the problem - ONLY when someone takes something out of the can.If you salvage the wreck (which wasnt possible before last patch if something was in the wreck) you can salvage the wreck and get the salvage - the wreck turns into a can.
AND you are NOT flagged even if its not your wreck.
I got concorded when I tried to retaliate....
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Looting and salvaging is about the same. Thats why I dont understand that you get only flagged as a thief for looting other ppls wrecks, not for salvaging.
Yes it looks like that was overlooked when introducing the last patch - Hopefully a dev is reading this thread and will do something about it.
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:35:00 -
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This is going in circles now...
I am NOT saying that salvaging other peoples wrecks should be forbidden !!!!!!!
If people like that play-style - so be it
BUT for Heavens Sake I should be aloud to retaliate then or not???
I am in a corp and an alliance - all corp mates I have talked to about it have the same opinion - we WILL declare war on this guy at a time of our convinience.
But this is not the point....
Why dont me make ALL cans lootable without flagging??
I see NO difference in a can and a wreck.
Looting cans gives you a timer but salvaging wrecks doesnt?? hmmm
Yes sure if I am ratting in 0,0 I can take care of this person immediatley, but in empire he IS being protected by concord so that I cant do anything about it even though he is stealing from me.Where the hell is the logic there????
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth
Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
Ok I give up - no point in discussing this anymore
Then so be it - let the empire-pirates loot other peoples stuff under concord - protection.
Lets encourage high-sec protected griefing without possibility to retaliate (pvp-game...)
Bye
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:50:00 -
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@ Marquise Dean -
Yep those are my options...
@ Callthetruth -
Thats what I am talking about - player A steals from Player B wth no risk... and I come from UO... who are celebrating their 10th year anniversary (me my 6th year anni...) - dont let me even get started about wow... ;)
I started eve a year ago and have sofar liked the 360¦ game-style with on the whole fairly mature players
@ Drethon
Since last patch it is possible to salvage FIRST - when salvaged the wreck changes into a can.
Loot other players can - flagged
Loot other players wreck but not can - not flagged
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:59:00 -
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If wreckage has no ownership why does my avatar show up on the wreck as if it belonged to me like a can or whatever - just curious
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.19 02:59:00 -
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My opinion is as I said - I killed the ship and so I should have looting right on the WHOLE SHIP
This has nothing to do with high-sec,low sec or 0,0
What I find wrong is that "the thief" or "not thief" or whatever gets protected by concord.
Would be nice if we could get an official statement on this IF its intended OR not.
If it is - so be it.
I will and must live with it.
Obviously if an opinion is not liked here one is either accused of whining or ones words are turned around in ones mouth.
End of discussion from my point of view
Have a nice day
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.19 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Humwawa on 19/04/2007 08:23:29
Originally by: WhitePhantom
Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin
Salvaging the wreck of a ship that you didn't blow up should definitely give a criminal flag. This doesn't mean that salvaging is not a viable profession. It just means its a little bit shadier, which honestly I think is cool. I imagine being a full time salvager would be very profitable, and as such it should indeed involve risk.
If a wreck it exists, it means the person doesn't want it, otherwise THEY would salvage it.
If you destroid the ship your closest to the wreck, no reason you can't begin to salvage itas soon as its destroid.
If your in the public, ther are 10 other people, guess what you can skin a corpse in other mmrpgs also.
This is exactly like skinning.
If someone skins the corpse of the monster I just killed in UO without talking to me first I kill him.
To be more concrete: In Trammel (highsec)you cant skin corpses you have no lootright on for about 11 min - In Felucca you can - As I said - I kill him if he does so without talking to me first.
Taking from above poster:If a wreck it exists, it means the person doesn't want it, otherwise THEY would salvage it.
Give me a chance please ;) I still had 8 BS firing at me while this person was allready happily looting the wrecks I had created seconds ago.
A possibility would be to have a timer like a poster further up mentioned (that was one of the few constructive answers..)
Whatever happens I lie it into the hands of the ccp-gods - An official statement would still be nice.
Greetings
Humwawa
Edit:
Give me a chance please ;) I still had 8 BS firing at me while this person was allready happily looting the wrecks I had created seconds ago.
I meant salvaging,my mistake
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.19 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth
ccp gods have already spoken its implemented as is. This is UO or WOW. Not even PVP orientated not an exploits devs stated this is how they wanted it loot ( falgged) salvaging (no flag)
Have you a link by the hand where the statement is?
Cant remember hearing the statement in patchnotes etc - might have missed it somehow.
Greetings
Humwawa
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.19 11:57:00 -
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Yes a timer is a solution - Otherwise they pop anyway after an hour - Absolutley dont see the difference between a can and a wreck.If you would get flagged - are the "ninja-salvagers" scared of getting flagged?
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