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Aslann
Gallente Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire your right, we dont offer anything like this - because we dont attack neutrals without cause to begin with
Its funny you should mention this, as 'your side' in this conflict has now gotten The Establishment involved, which more then happily destroy any of your Minmatar bretheren (but oddly enough, no Namtz/5th/FDN/EM kills have been claimed by them, while suddenly a surprising number of ppl have returned to hedaleolfarber).
Your allies should really keep in mind, that when fighting fire with fire, the chances of burning your house down completly, only increase.
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 07:54:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Trypho
Be happy that we are presenting a way out for those willing to cooperate instead of criticising it - your alliance and its allies can`t offer anything like this leaving pilots scared and loosing ship.
your right, we dont offer anything like this - because we dont attack neutrals without cause to begin with
... but you don`t offer any form of protection/backup/security to your friends when needed. Neither do they to you.
Your `we don`t shoot neutrals` may sound very noble, but is nothing but a irrelevant statement - because the rest of Molden Heath does shoot back.
The fact remains that you cannot avoid us, or break us. You will not bring up better pilots to fight and your travels will never be secure. You have tried it and you have failed.
Now either get beaten even worse, or think about the way out. Or just be stupid about it. ---
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 16:29:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Tassi on 20/04/2007 16:28:29
Originally by: Cz Ire
Yes, INFOD's "safetypass" is an option to industrial corps in the area. However, MH forces will assume that any and all corps that apply for such a safetypass are directly aiding INFOD and will not be considered neutral. After all, they are paying INFOD isk for those passes. So, if you decide to buy protection from INFOD, you make enemies of most of the rest of Molden Heath. *shrug* Make your choice there. Im personally not one for extortion from the pirates, but I wont stand by and watch you hand over isk to my enemies.
After the first corporation has signed up for our Safetypass program your ENTIRE system of combat recruits will just collapse instantly.
The first corporation that signs up will also recieve a very HUGE discount and immediate protection from MH-SEC forces.
I want to remember you aswell that any client data will be kept secret. It will be hard to nearly impossible to find out who is in the Safetypass program and who not. The only way you could find out is if either Swanger or myself are your spies, which is to be perfectly honest, not the case.
EDIT: It is also a very strange move of MH-SEC to put out official threats to neutral Corporations investing in other business solutions. It pretty much seems that you now use blackmailing tactics aswell. Oh boy, I always said that your biggest weapon and your bane will be this blackmailing like diplomacy. Damn you carebears down with you already!
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:44:00 -
[34]
i can imagine, that mc-sec will recover soon enough.
And about EST beeing pirates in their spare time, while technically true, they use gloves, silencers and suits...
- no smack whatsoever. The awake observer will see some difference in class here.
U'K recruit!
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:54:00 -
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Then my answer will be that Infinitus Odium uses spears, shields and muscles.
UK is in no position to make any statements concerning Molden Heath. However, if you want to come and get me. Hegfunden is where you should be looking for Tass.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi Then my answer will be that Infinitus Odium uses spears, shields and muscles.
UK is in no position to make any statements concerning Molden Heath. However, if you want to come and get me. Hegfunden is where you should be looking for Tass.
Why is it that whenever a member of U'K makes an opinion regarding the safety and security of molden heath you always go straight on the defensive? Offering yourself up for a fight? and saying we have no right to comment on molden heath matters?
Here at ushra'khan we constantly fight a battle for freedom, with freedom comes the ability to have an opinion, even if directly affected or not, opinions that some amarians like yourself would prefer to not be allowed. All people like yourself know is control and dictatorship, anyone that does not think like you or talks against you, is either seen as something that should be killed or silenced.
So tassi, all people from different parts of the universe are welcome here to make an opinion and there is nothing you can do about it, this is what really bothers you the most isnt it?
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:02:00 -
[37]
Don't listen to him Tassi, hes trying to put a Minmatar guilt trip on you. I have seen it been done before by these Ushra Khans. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:37:00 -
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MH / Istodart once was the the home of Ushra Khan , therfor many UK following the deveopment there with interest. paying the agressors will archive only one thing: make him stronger, finance a capital fleet and secure his claim on the region. shure for a while it can be financialy good to have more time and saver area (savetypass). once the majority of the MH ppl pay infod will move one and conquere/occupie/terrorize a new region, fueld by the isk ppl payed for the safetypass. they will grow an get even stronger on the back of the small workers , miners and missionrunners, they will laugh at u as u will finance there fun. personal view from a veteran whos alliance held the constellation and invited the ppl who than formed the mhsec shortly after. i think mh will become what it was bevore UK and mhsec freed it 2 years ago: a pirat heaven with close to no population, if the residents do accept the savetypass programm.
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Malachi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Malachi on 20/04/2007 19:45:13 Tassi, with hind sight we should have called it the slavety pass.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.20 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malachi Edited by: Malachi on 20/04/2007 19:45:13 Tassi, with hind sight we should have called it the slavety pass.
Hmm, must have used one of your two brain cells to think of that one?
Yet another slave type joke that is no more funny than the other thousand we have already had the misfortune to hear.
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Ange1
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.04.20 21:31:00 -
[41]
Originally by: zoolkhan
And about EST beeing pirates in their spare time, while technically true, they use gloves, silencers and suits...
Quotable 
The Establishment is at your service...
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.04.20 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cz Ire on 20/04/2007 22:20:04 First off, nice to see some freindly ushra'kan faces in here. *waves*
Originally by: Trypho The fact remains that you cannot avoid us, or break us. You will not bring up better pilots to fight and your travels will never be secure. You have tried it and you have failed.
We have tried it and failed? hmm. news to me.
Cant avoid you? well, only if people dont think to try. kinda easy to avoid a infoblob if you want to.
Not bring up better pilots? funny, ive noticed quite a few new pilots with a lot of promise.
our allies dont aid us? odd, considering how many offers I have for such assistance in my inbox.
The rest of molden heath does shoot back? well, aside from you guys, a couple inca pilots (damn you biz ) and ED, I havent seen many hostiles lately. Oh, and ED was renegotiating standings last I checked, since they kicked out that pirate corp.
Secure travels? while I think anyone who goes into lowsec should never feel 100% safe, I do see plenty of people quite comfortable to use autopilot with industrials and freighters in lowsec, if they see the infoblob reported elsewhere.
Break you? your core, likely not. But whatever happened to the rest of the hegfunden pact? Clan wolf - gone. Hybrid syndicate - relocated. Quant corp couldnt stand you guys. your freindship with V? gone. CA, well, i dont even see much CA in GW anymore either, let alone MH. Are you guys even freindly with CA anymore or did you **** them off too?
Many of your members are the defeated remnants of our old foes. Youve lost your industrial support with Quant leaving you. Your tactics are designed to minmize losses, because you cannot replace them easily. This "safetypass" is a desperate attempt to secure funding to keep your war machine - as impressive as it is at times - running for much longer.
Originally by: Trypho
Now either get beaten even worse, or think about the way out. Or just be stupid about it.
Brutor's arnt known to be easy to give up. or thinking about ways to run. I'll take the stupid option, if that means sticking around and keeping up the fight. 
-Cz
--- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir |

Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.20 23:05:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cz Ire
Break you? your core, likely not. But whatever happened to the rest of the hegfunden pact? Clan wolf - gone. Hybrid syndicate - relocated. Quant corp couldnt stand you guys. your freindship with V? gone. CA, well, i dont even see much CA in GW anymore either, let alone MH. Are you guys even freindly with CA anymore or did you **** them off too?
I honestly only remember one or two pilots from clan wolf. Our experience with them was brief. Hybrid syndicate, well research would tell you a good portion of their member base is still fighting you under the INFOD banner, granted yes, the rest relocated.
Our friendship with the majority of old Veritas corps is still strong. But incase you didn't notice, -v- dispanded a while ago. And if i remember correctly CA never had much at all to do with INFOD fighting the forces of MH. I think our standings with CA are neutral, but please no one but Infod or CA try to post "facts" about our departure from the alliance.
It's strange why people think Quant was completely supporting Infod. You know, we didn't always have a friendly industrial corp, their interests led them away from molden heath but since that time Infod has grown stronger so its not really a valid point.
Quote: Your tactics are designed to minmize losses, because you cannot replace them easily.
Now I'm not quite sure where you get this from, but the majority of Infod players are quite well off, but let's not get into an e-peen stroking contest.
The fact is our members seem to be more willing to fight than those of nmtz or 5th. Meaning we end up with more pilots on the battlefield. The "infoblob" wouldn't be so intimidating if even 50% of MH-SEC members where to grab a cheap ship and come fight, in an organised manner.
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 00:35:00 -
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Cz Ire - then don`t buy the pass and be quiet. We have heard enough unproofed jibberish from you now.
You claim to activly defend people from pirates. Now two questions; do you actually even live in Molden Heath (if not - be quiet in the firstplace, if yes - what are you doing about us pirates? I want proof and not another fancy line)?
Saying you I have mails of people willing to help you doesn`t prove anything, and is considered a lie untill you bring proof.
Name me some of your great pilots, but spare yourself the effort if they fly ships smaller than battlecruiser. Or admit you have none.
Autopilot in lowsec - offcourse, liar. Try that next time you are near Molden Heath.
ED got beaten bigtime lately in case you didn`t know, so we don`t care about them.
Whatever alliance we are in - we are a strong entity not to be messed with. We probably have more killmails than you do have LP - and that must be alot since you are a carebear. We have the internet to back that one up.
I wonder how well you will be able to backup your words now - you people usually back off at the moment where proof must be delivered. You don`t even share the mails CONCORD sends you - scared of your losses being exposed to the whole community?
Avoidance means you are scared for a confrontation you cannot win. This is exactly the reason we sell these passes now, and it proves that we are inferior in player to player combat, and that you know about it.
Now get back to your carebearing, and avoid pressing the replybutton, because you have nothing valuable to add to this thread anyway.
Backup your words ingame instead of acting a liar here. Luckily enough you only embarrass yourself in this thread instead of our fine bloodline. ---
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.21 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Trypho Cz Ire - then don`t buy the pass and be quiet. We have heard enough unproofed jibberish from you now.
You claim to activly defend people from pirates. Now two questions; do you actually even live in Molden Heath (if not - be quiet in the firstplace, if yes - what are you doing about us pirates? I want proof and not another fancy line)?
Saying you I have mails of people willing to help you doesn`t prove anything, and is considered a lie untill you bring proof.
Name me some of your great pilots, but spare yourself the effort if they fly ships smaller than battlecruiser. Or admit you have none.
Autopilot in lowsec - offcourse, liar. Try that next time you are near Molden Heath.
ED got beaten bigtime lately in case you didn`t know, so we don`t care about them.
Whatever alliance we are in - we are a strong entity not to be messed with. We probably have more killmails than you do have LP - and that must be alot since you are a carebear. We have the internet to back that one up.
I wonder how well you will be able to backup your words now - you people usually back off at the moment where proof must be delivered. You don`t even share the mails CONCORD sends you - scared of your losses being exposed to the whole community?
Avoidance means you are scared for a confrontation you cannot win. This is exactly the reason we sell these passes now, and it proves that we are inferior in player to player combat, and that you know about it.
Now get back to your carebearing, and avoid pressing the replybutton, because you have nothing valuable to add to this thread anyway.
Backup your words ingame instead of acting a liar here. Luckily enough you only embarrass yourself in this thread instead of our fine bloodline.
And who are you to call anyone an embarrassment to their bloodline Trypho? Do you think the amount of kills a person gets makes them better than anyone else? The answer is "no" my poor misguided friend, what makes a minmatar of any bloodline honourable is to fight against slavery and oppresion of our race, even if a pilot fighting this oppresion loses ten ships and doesnt manage to get one kill back, they are still twice the minmatar you will ever live to be. I look above me at one of your corp mates (malachi)making sick humour of our enslaved brothers and sisters, yet you are in this same corporation are you not? and you still think your a proud member of the brutor tribe? you are nothing more than a maggot that aids amarian slavers by hampering matari efforts to fight against them.
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Dr Kojak
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 09:31:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Nebulous
And who are you to call anyone an embarrassment to their bloodline Trypho? Do you think the amount of kills a person gets makes them better than anyone else? The answer is "no" my poor misguided friend, what makes a minmatar of any bloodline honourable is to fight against slavery and oppresion of our race, even if a pilot fighting this oppresion loses ten ships and doesnt manage to get one kill back, they are still twice the minmatar you will ever live to be. I look above me at one of your corp mates (malachi)making sick humour of our enslaved brothers and sisters, yet you are in this same corporation are you not? and you still think your a proud member of the brutor tribe? you are nothing more than a maggot that aids amarian slavers by hampering matari efforts to fight against them.
Infinitus Odium does not see the barriers of races or bloodlines. We do not treat people differently based on their heritage or chance ancestry. All the sisters and brothers in Infod are considered equal and treated equal. The historic hatred between Minmatar and Amarr is nothing compared to the hatred we are spreading in MH and surrounding systems. It seems to me the racist behaviour of Ushra Khan does not suit all minmatar; those minmatars strong enough not to be enslaved.
It is in my Gallentean blood to value equal rights for all. Yet, I am starting to think that the freedom of minmatar is opposed by people as you Nebulous, not wanting to get your hands dirty to get what you want. Your jibbajabba talk and sneaky diplomatics makes people like you deservive of being slaves, no matter what race you might be...
Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar; you are all valid targets to the non racists which makes up Infinitus Odium. 
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
And who are you to call anyone an embarrassment to their bloodline Trypho?
He is an INFOD, within his right to call anyone he pleases.
Originally by: Nebulous Do you think the amount of kills a person gets makes them better than anyone else?
Yes, ofcourse.
Originally by: Nebulous The answer is "no"
Shows how misguided you are.
Originally by: Nebulous my poor misguided friend, what makes a minmatar of any bloodline honourable is to fight against slavery and oppresion of our race,
Your race or my race or anyone elses race for that matter, slavery and oppression separated the weak from the strong, and if you're still fighting for freedom today then it shows how much weaker you are compared to the likes of us as we've been living the free life for years now.
Originally by: Nebulous even if a pilot fighting this oppresion loses ten ships and doesnt manage to get one kill back, they are still twice the minmatar you will ever live to be.
He's not a roleplayer, nor is he playing this game to prove his minmatar heritage, regardless of his race, he's a pirate, and more importantly, an INFODian. That's all that matters.
Originally by: Nebulous I look above me at one of your corp mates (malachi)making sick humour of our enslaved brothers and sisters, yet you are in this same corporation are you not?
Malachi is a brilliant player, whether he loses 10 ships to 1 kill or no kills at all, he'll always be twice the pvper you'll ever be and have over ten times the respect you are in posession of.
Originally by: Nebulous and you still think your a proud member of the brutor tribe? you are nothing more than a maggot that aids amarian slavers by hampering matari efforts to fight against them.
Well then quite frankly if you've got Minmatar brothers leaving the rightious path to come aid those of whom are "in opression of the free will" then your efforts simply aren't enough.
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Mori Felding
Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:27:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Mori Felding on 21/04/2007 10:24:33 Edited by: Mori Felding on 21/04/2007 10:24:03
Quote: Avoidance means you are scared for a confrontation you cannot win. This is exactly the reason we sell these passes now, and it proves that we are inferior in player to player combat, and that you know about it.
..well you said it, Trypho.  ___
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.21 10:49:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Grant Smith
Originally by: Nebulous
And who are you to call anyone an embarrassment to their bloodline Trypho?
He is an INFOD, within his right to call anyone he pleases.
Originally by: Nebulous Do you think the amount of kills a person gets makes them better than anyone else?
Yes, ofcourse.
Originally by: Nebulous The answer is "no"
Shows how misguided you are.
Originally by: Nebulous my poor misguided friend, what makes a minmatar of any bloodline honourable is to fight against slavery and oppresion of our race,
Your race or my race or anyone elses race for that matter, slavery and oppression separated the weak from the strong, and if you're still fighting for freedom today then it shows how much weaker you are compared to the likes of us as we've been living the free life for years now.
Originally by: Nebulous even if a pilot fighting this oppresion loses ten ships and doesnt manage to get one kill back, they are still twice the minmatar you will ever live to be.
He's not a roleplayer, nor is he playing this game to prove his minmatar heritage, regardless of his race, he's a pirate, and more importantly, an INFODian. That's all that matters.
Originally by: Nebulous I look above me at one of your corp mates (malachi)making sick humour of our enslaved brothers and sisters, yet you are in this same corporation are you not?
Malachi is a brilliant player, whether he loses 10 ships to 1 kill or no kills at all, he'll always be twice the pvper you'll ever be and have over ten times the respect you are in posession of.
Originally by: Nebulous and you still think your a proud member of the brutor tribe? you are nothing more than a maggot that aids amarian slavers by hampering matari efforts to fight against them.
Well then quite frankly if you've got Minmatar brothers leaving the rightious path to come aid those of whom are "in opression of the free will" then your efforts simply aren't enough.
Hmm, sorry pirate but I am having problems with deciphering your language, I do not understand what you mean by "brilliant player", "pvper" and "He's not a roleplayer".
((this is a roleplay, in character forum ))
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 11:16:00 -
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Nebulous - we Minmatar will never be free. I escaped the boring world of industry hoping that I would find a place where my life would make some sense, instead of being a production-monkey. I found that place to make something out of my life, but even today I am getting opressed...
This is a better life though, I can undock whenever I want, I am getting payed well, and I`m having a good time after work in the doctors office, plus I have great multi-racial friends.
The Gallente ain`t that bad, even though they are French! Plus they have better Destroyers you could use for your fleet of Doom  ---
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 14:10:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Nebulous
So tassi, all people from different parts of the universe are welcome here to make an opinion and there is nothing you can do about it, this is what really bothers you the most isnt it?
This is my communications channel, I am the one who decides what people are important in this channel.
I will say it again because I am so highly defensive, Bring it Ushra'Khan! Bring it or silence forever.
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.04.21 17:42:00 -
[52]
Yes, trypho. I will concede that you definatly have more LP than me. I dont think its possible to have less, after all.
Trypho and nebulous - lets try to lay off the personal attacks. The thread and issue here is infod's scamtypass. Infod argues that our side is somehow crumbling. I returned with our observations. done.
I think this issue has been made clear - you can buy protection from infod. But I will treat those who buy it as befits those who are directly funding pirates.
-Cz Ire
--- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir |

Flaming sambuka
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire I will treat those who buy it as befits those who are directly funding pirates.
So we are now defending the resident's of MH from there own 'police' force. If corporation's choose not to buy our safety pass because of this threat then you must blame Cz Ire and his colleagues for your death's by our member's.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.21 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 21/04/2007 19:26:32
Originally by: Tassi
I will say it again because I am so highly defensive, Bring it Ushra'Khan! Bring it or silence forever.
We have been there for a while, but you were suprisingly pacifistic during that period. This brave post you made after our last carrier moved out.
You will understand, that we are not the dog that jumps when you whistles.
U'K recruit!
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.21 20:39:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Cz Ire I think this issue has been made clear - you can buy protection from infod. But I will treat those who buy it as befits those who are directly funding pirates.
Sadly enough your last post lacks proof of you and your friends greatness for which I asked before. This proofs that you are a better warrior in speech and writing, than that you are in your ship.
I`m patiently awaiting your response, hoping that it will aid me in the progress of revealing how cowardly you and your friends are, and how empty and irrelevant your previous answers have been. If you ignore this request again, you will be branded a liar - again, in front of whole New Eden.
Personal attacks put the spice in this conversation, which I miss in the confrontations (or better yet - the lack of confrontations) we have.
TouchT (my Gallente friends taught me this word) ---
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Darth Sage
En-Slavers
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Posted - 2007.04.22 01:27:00 -
[56]
*Sighs*
Yet another bunch of pirates that are little more than bully boys trying to muscle in and getting all stroppy because they can't get their own way.
Just as bad as POD-U but at least they know how to behave in Local Com's Channel, while INFOD are little more than a bunch of loud mouth offensive if not totally obnoxious losers who will only fight if they have the superior forces.
How many of the Morden Heath PoS you been able to destroy completely?
Sorry what was that...very few...Your so pathetic with this rubbish about Saftypasses, it is little more than a protection racket that has been combined with press ganging those that want to remain safe in to being your foot troopers.
As I said pathetic, try carving your own little place out instead of trying to steal one or is that all you can do?
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Dr Kojak
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sage
As I said pathetic, try carving your own little place out instead of trying to steal one or is that all you can do?
If we were to "carve" us out a nice comfy place of our own there would be no targets to murder and rape, I ask you: Where is the fun in that?
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 08:51:00 -
[58]
Darth Sage - who the hell are you and why should we care?
I think you are a nobody who has nothing useful to contribute to this thread. ---
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.04.22 09:35:00 -
[59]
I hear that Molden heath is aflame. I approve.
May these criminals see the truth in faith and turn from mindless destruction to wholehearted reclaiming!
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.22 19:06:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Karum Korinth Edited by: Karum Korinth on 19/04/2007 20:22:20 Edited by: Karum Korinth on 19/04/2007 20:19:23 It is only Futher that is broken. Why he should select to support our enemies by posting his delusional view of the state of MH is beyond me, however. I no longer have any respect for the man.
In the meantime, you may pick up any of these free of charge at any gent's room in any station in MH.
No child, it is not futher that is broken. Its the complete stubborness of Smeggy and Pacal that is broken. Both are children who have destroyed everything we worked for in Molden Heath, and the blame lies withing them, and everyone who still follows them. You should know by now that I only point out the truth that cannot be seen by others, and that was always my role within the council of NMTZ, and that you should take my words to heart.
The leadership of smeg was always childish and immature and it provoked the leadership of nmtz to be just as childish in return, and I dont see either one of those groups growing up. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
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