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Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 4	Posted - 2017.01.24 04:13:01 - [1] - Quote So, I recently started a new character with the intent to challenge myself to see how far I can get in the game by only buying Skill Books and BPOGÇÖs (CCP Seeded Items) from the market. IGÇÖve been playing the game over 10 years and I know my way around and before even beginning I knew there were some elements of this game that would be unobtainable and IGÇÖm ok with that. Things like T2 items will be impossible without going nullsec moon mining. And obtaining certain ships such as Faction ships will only be possible through Agents I have standings with. Rules, No purchasing or selling from the market except for CCP seeded items (Skill Books and BPOGÇÖs) No assistance from players not participating in the challenge. Trading within corporation is allowed Only new characters that follow the rules allowed within the corporation. Story so far, Completed Career missions Have the following ships, Frig, Destroyer, Industrial (all from career missions) Created Corporation Invited new character (player) to join in on the challenge Gained LVL 2 agent status Bought and built weapon, ammo, basic defence mods, & light drones. Long term goal, Build a medium Engineering Complex or Citadel. IGÇÖd love to get your input from an alternative point of view. If there is something you think I havenGÇÖt thought through or If there is something I should consider within this challenge please let me know.
mkint 1406	Posted - 2017.01.24 04:47:28 - [2] - Quote What about private trading/barter and contracts? Might be able to make direct contacts with some null alliance that has the stuff you need. Or something with FWers. Is the point of this a test of making due without the market, or a test of self/tribe reliance? Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 5	Posted - 2017.01.24 05:31:11 - [3] - Quote Its a mix of self/tribe reliance and not being influenced by years of playing. Its easy to get ahead these days buy getting a handout or for a more relevant example, As a 2 week old character we got a scram mod drop worth 90mil. Any normal person would be able to sell that on the market and buy many cruisers + fittings even without having the true skills to fly it nor caring about the loss that is inevitable. Having taken two weeks of grinding missions, mining for ore to finally building myself a half decent frigate it really means a lot to me and when I'm about to lose it I get a rush like i haven't felt in nearly 10 years. The hard work creates value people in EVE don't seem to care about any more. This is the true reason I'm doing this. That and knowing what it was like for the first players of EVE Online
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 414	Posted - 2017.01.24 06:21:03 - [4] - Quote I can kind of understand. Just recently I was talking with a mate about memorable 'losses that hurt' and I realised the loss that hurt the most and really gave me a heavy heart at the time was a Myrmidon loss in level 3 mission. :p Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
2Sonas1Cup 189	Posted - 2017.01.24 06:44:11 - [5] - Quote Input: you'll never make it Just go back to your level 4 missions like you were doing before. Reply on this thread when you give up in the next 30 days.. thanks
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1157	Posted - 2017.01.24 07:24:51 - [6] - Quote This is awesome. Keep us up to date! @lunettelulu7
Salvos Rhoska 1979	Posted - 2017.01.24 08:18:43 - [7] - Quote Id recommend allowing yourself to use the market. Its a player market after all. Or if you want to be hardcore pioneer spirit, barter what you have for things you need from other players by exchanging manually in hub stations. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1803	Posted - 2017.01.24 08:44:14 - [8] - Quote What about loot from wrecks?
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3876	Posted - 2017.01.24 08:48:44 - [9] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Input: you'll never make it Just go back to your level 4 missions like you were doing before. Reply on this thread when you give up in the next 30 days.. thanks lvl 5 negativity confirmed Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 754	Posted - 2017.01.24 08:59:49 - [10] - Quote You've set some goals and you're having fun - in my opinion that is the right way to play Eve. I suspect you'll reconsider self-sufficiency when you see just how much material is required to build a Fortizar or Azbel! The mechanics of harvesting minerals and PI are pretty boring, the fun part, for me at least, is planning what you're going to do with them and seeing that plan come together. My choice is to leverage the knowledge and skill I have acquired to pay others to do what I now consider "the boring stuff". The connections and interdependencies between players in this game are amazing and a large part of what keeps me engaged.

Orgah Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2017.01.24 09:08:05 - [11] - Quote Back in the day I tried to do the same, but in 0.0 for extra difficulty level. Went to Stain with a fresh trial character and tried to live by mining, running level 1-2 missions and scavenging wrecks from the locals. That was way before metal scraps in loot and reprocessing nerf, so one could establish and maintain a supply of T1 fitted disposable frigs and dessies just by running L1 security missions for the Sansha. Jump clones required standings then, I circumvented that by setting up a 1-man corp with HQ in Stain and transferring medical clone back and forth between the corp HQ and starting school station when needed. Got bored after two months or so though, but it was a good survival experience.
Reinhardt Kreiss TetraVaal Tactical Group 142	Posted - 2017.01.24 09:26:49 - [12] - Quote Go do combat exploration in various parts of space, use the DS modules for your PVE needs. Hope for pirate frigate and cruiser BPC, build those and use or sell them. Go do ninja salvaging to build your own rigs and, if possible, use the loot from the mission ships you destroyed.
pinkajoo 23	Posted - 2017.01.24 13:34:26 - [13] - Quote Soooo... If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D
Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 608	Posted - 2017.01.24 13:39:53 - [14] - Quote pinkajoo wrote: Soooo... If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D Try it.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1212	Posted - 2017.01.24 13:56:58 - [15] - Quote Like all DIYers in RL it will be where to get the knowledge to get what you need from. This is the most invaluable thing I have built up for myself. What mission, rat, faction, etc supplies what and in what amounts. Even such things as Merc Commanders used to be the best drop rates anywhere for 'arbalest' Heavy Missile Launchers. If you know where to source things then this is a VERY viable profession/task to do even though it takes more time and effort than most people are willing to put into it to pull it off as you are literally trading time, read isk, for the ability to source it yourself. Btw though moon goo towers might be out of your range the irony is that ninja mining in low sec using the syphons might actually get you enough that you could actually build a T2 ship. The other route is WH space and WH items to build a T3 cruiser which will actually be EASIER to do what you want all told than T2 anyway. Knowledge is power here with this lifestyle. Moreso than any other "profession" in Eve ever will be. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
xpl0de Caldari State 40	Posted - 2017.01.24 15:33:58 - [16] - Quote Kek. Good luck with that OP. But there's nothing wrong with playing the game in w.e manner you wish to play. Do as you please, that's the point. -10.0 since the Womb
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4858	Posted - 2017.01.24 15:47:42 - [17] - Quote Sort of along the same lines.... Skill injectors bummed me out, because that kind of wiped out main ISK-making activity of building and selling chars. Then gambling and betting sites going extinct bummed me out, because sports betting was my other main source of lazy ISK. Now they're both gone, so I have to earn ISK through ingame activities again. Eve is actually interesting and fun again!
Lena Crews Universal Sanitation Corporation 40	Posted - 2017.01.24 15:48:12 - [18] - Quote Artemis Drakos wrote: So, I recently started a new character with the intent to challenge myself to see how far I can get in the game by only buying Skill Books and BPOGÇÖs (CCP Seeded Items) from the market. IGÇÖve been playing the game over 10 years and I know my way around and before even beginning I knew there were some elements of this game that would be unobtainable and IGÇÖm ok with that. Things like T2 items will be impossible without going nullsec moon mining. And obtaining certain ships such as Faction ships will only be possible through Agents I have standings with. Rules, No purchasing or selling from the market except for CCP seeded items (Skill Books and BPOGÇÖs) No assistance from players not participating in the challenge. Trading within corporation is allowed Only new characters that follow the rules allowed within the corporation. Story so far, Completed Career missions Have the following ships, Frig, Destroyer, Industrial (all from career missions) Created Corporation Invited new character (player) to join in on the challenge Gained LVL 2 agent status Bought and built weapon, ammo, basic defence mods, & light drones. Long term goal, Build a medium Engineering Complex or Citadel. IGÇÖd love to get your input from an alternative point of view. If there is something you think I havenGÇÖt thought through or If there is something I should consider within this challenge please let me know. If you are not an Alpha I'd advise you complete all the career missions for all the factions (three sets of agents for each I believe). This gives you a boatload of ships... some that you might need to train to use... but also I believe 24 ventures which will be useful. Even if you don't train for other racial frigates/destroyers... you can reprocess those ships to give needed materials to make your own stuff. You should also have over 100 million isk... which while you won't be buying a lot should get you some BPO's and skillbooks you'll need.
Mala Zvitorepka A.I.R. 3	Posted - 2017.01.24 16:02:00 - [19] - Quote pinkajoo wrote: Soooo... If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D Eh, in this challenge ISK is mostly meaningless, so he could simply ignore donation and it wouldn't affect his play style. Or transfer that money to main :) Some prints can be quite expensive, but mission running should provide enough ISK for them - there is no other expense, like an expensive ship and module to buy. And if he stays in hisec, he will have to run missions to get megacyte and zydrine. Interesting challenge, might want to try it at some point.
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1159	Posted - 2017.01.24 17:54:31 - [20] - Quote I did something like this a few years ago and it can be a fun adventure. I'm trying to remember what rules I played by. I had to build my own ships and ammo from BPOs or BPCs I didn't do any any of the tutotial missions (just started with a rookie ship). I used and reprocessed ship loot BPOs, BPCs, and skill books were the only thing I bought on the market. I could dump loot on the market for isk. LP was effectively worthless since I couldn't buy from the store. I remember using a mix of guns and lasers, hauling was a chore. At the time finding a place to build things was a challenge. I was hunting the NPC convoys between stations at one point for equipment (feature not in the game anymore). I got busted once so badly by the customs officer that I had to file a stuck ticket because I was at -75million isk from contraband. This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

Rachel Syne Killing with pink power 1	Posted - 2017.01.24 17:54:36 - [21] - Quote Its nice to have a goal to build citadel but you should think about how you're going to defend it before placing it in space.
Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 21	Posted - 2017.01.24 22:27:14 - [22] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Input: you'll never make it ............... Reply on this thread when you give up in the next 30 days.. thanks Thanks, Ill let you know :) pinkajoo wrote: Soooo... If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D I wont return it, I'll pay it forward to someone more deserving :D Salvos Rhoska wrote: Or if you want to be hardcore pioneer spirit, barter what you have for things you need from other players by exchanging manually in hub stations. I had considered this, but it becomes a slippery and uncontrollable slope
Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 21	Posted - 2017.01.24 22:28:17 - [23] - Quote Gregorius Goldstein wrote: What about loot from wrecks? Only from wrecks that I or our corporation generates. Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Btw though moon goo towers might be out of your range the irony is that ninja mining in low sec using the syphons might actually get you enough that you could actually build a T2 ship. The other route is WH space and WH items to build a T3 cruiser which will actually be EASIER to do what you want all told than T2 anyway. Good point Eternus8lux8lucis, while I love the idea of syphoning to make some T2 items that does require interaction with other players experienced advantages, however, if it wasnGÇÖt for them I could also put up a POSGÇª IGÇÖll keep this one in mind. I hadnGÇÖt considered T3 as an option. I love it, finding a WH would be easier (I Hope) than mining moons. I will investigate T3 Manufacturing, Thanks for the input. Lena Crews wrote: If you are not an Alpha I'd advise you complete all the career missions for all the factions (three sets of agents for each I believe). This gives you a boatload of ships... some that you might need to train to use... but also I believe 24 ventures which will be useful. Even if you don't train for other racial frigates/destroyers... you can reprocess those ships to give needed materials to make your own stuff. You should also have over 100 million isk... which while you won't be buying a lot should get you some BPO's and skillbooks you'll need. I had thought about doing the other career missions but never had any intentions to fly their shipsGÇª but for reprocessing. Not a bad idea, gets me some Meg and keeps within my ruleset. Thanks for the tip. Mala Zvitorepka wrote: Interesting challenge, might want to try it at some point. I welcome anyone to come join me. A friend has also undertaken the challenge with an Alpha account and he spends more time on it then his main :D
Uncle Bork Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.01.24 22:39:09 - [24] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: I did something like this a few years ago and it can be a fun adventure. I'm trying to remember what rules I played by. I had to build my own ships and ammo from BPOs or BPCs I didn't do any any of the tutotial missions (just started with a rookie ship). I used and reprocessed ship loot BPOs, BPCs, and skill books were the only thing I bought on the market. I could dump loot on the market for isk, but I couldn't buy anything. LP was effectively worthless since I couldn't buy from the store. \| Implants came from loot or mission rewards (storyline). I remember using a mix of guns and lasers, hauling was a chore. At the time finding a place to build things was a challenge. I was hunting the NPC convoys between stations at one point for equipment (feature not in the game anymore). I got busted once so badly by the customs officer that I had to file a stuck ticket because I was at -75million isk from contraband and he wouldn't release me. Alt Detected I am going to try this again, I have an open character slot. End goal? No idea yet. Starting as Amarr to reduce initial ammo cost, but I'm an Omega so all guns are on the table.
Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 21	Posted - 2017.01.25 00:12:23 - [25] - Quote Uncle Bork wrote: Alt Detected I am going to try this again, I have an open character slot. End goal? No idea yet. Starting as Amarr to reduce initial ammo cost, but I'm an Omega so all guns are on the table. You plan on doing this Solo? Did you want to come join the Dystopian Society? We are based in Amarr Highsec.
Theory Vanniht Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.25 04:46:15 - [26] - Quote So. This character was created on 30th December with a very similar process in mind. The goal I sey myself is to build and fit an Astero, well it will be 2 Astero's one for exploration and one for hunting. My rules are very similar to your's, I have to mine all my own materials be that ore, PI, salvage and loot reprocessing and moon materials. I can only buy NPC seeded stuff like skill books and BPO's, I can also buy from LP stores this is mainly to get the blueprint but also sisters probes and some skill books. I sold everything that I got from the career missions and the PLEX from the buddy invite, so I started my adventure in a Velator with civilian gun, miner and afterburner and approx 1b ISK. On my way out of the rookie system to my new home I picked up some BPO's for a Venture, Miner I and Hobgoblin I and started mining to build my first Venture. I f anyone cares it take about 47 loads of ore in a Velator to build a Venture and fit it out. Not that I was counting or anything, actually I was, I have detailed notes. I now have 2 Venture's, 4 frigate's, 2 Destroyer's, 2 Industrial ships and a shuttle to go with my Velator. NB. It took less then an hour for that first Venture to be destroyed.
Artemis Drakos Dystopian Society 22	Posted - 2017.01.25 05:04:36 - [27] - Quote Theory Vanniht wrote: So. This character was created on 30th December with a very similar process in mind. The goal I sey myself is to build and fit an Astero, well it will be 2 Astero's one for exploration and one for hunting. My rules are very similar to your's, I have to mine all my own materials be that ore, PI, salvage and loot reprocessing and moon materials. I can only buy NPC seeded stuff like skill books and BPO's, I can also buy from LP stores this is mainly to get the blueprint but also sisters probes and some skill books. I sold everything that I got from the career missions and the PLEX from the buddy invite, so I started my adventure in a Velator with civilian gun, miner and afterburner and approx 1b ISK. On my way out of the rookie system to my new home I picked up some BPO's for a Venture, Miner I and Hobgoblin I and started mining to build my first Venture. I f anyone cares it take about 47 loads of ore in a Velator to build a Venture and fit it out. Not that I was counting or anything, actually I was, I have detailed notes. I now have 2 Venture's, 4 frigate's, 2 Destroyer's, 2 Industrial ships and a shuttle to go with my Velator. NB. It took less then an hour for that first Venture to be destroyed. Its interesting to see how far you've come in 30 days when you have starting capital. How much have you spent on BPO's so far?
Theory Vanniht Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.25 05:11:34 - [28] - Quote I have about 220m ISk worth of BPO's atm, I've also brought most NPC sold skill books except for capital stuff and a few really expensive ones.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 391	Posted - 2017.01.25 06:58:58 - [29] - Quote oh so your doing what ive looked at, you can go all the way if you open up to buying what you don't have access too unless you want to go moon mining but than its hard because the main moons are used up. with out the t2 mats youll be stuck to t1 guns and you wont be able to build meta guns unless you also use lp stores to get faction guns "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Patrick rekit State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.01.25 08:23:00 - [30] - Quote been April 23 2004 here for me although since 2013 its on and off mostly off sold my main now coming back so ya go for it its the love of the game to start from scratch.... think I'll go mimm instead :)



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