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Helios Grim Perkone Caldari State 11	Posted - 2017.01.24 18:00:26 - [1] - Quote I'm just beginning carrier ratting in null sec with a Nidhoggur and was hoping to get some input on what skills I should have at what levels such as fighters IV or etc. Also, what size of fighters should I be fielding regularly? I am ratting Angel Cartel.
Wander Prian Art Of Explosions Hole Control 360	Posted - 2017.01.24 19:17:52 - [2] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: I'm just beginning carrier ratting in null sec with a Nidhoggur and was hoping to get some input on what skills I should have at what levels such as fighters IV or etc. Also, what size of fighters should I be fielding regularly? I am ratting Angel Cartel. If you feel like you need to ask these questions, in the new player Q&A of all places, you shouldn't be flying a capital... Wormholer for life.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 11421	Posted - 2017.01.24 20:50:34 - [3] - Quote I am also going to echo the above. Flying a capital ship is the least "newbie" you can get. Moreover, if you have to ask questions like these for an expensive and hyperspecialized ship in order to perform a basic farming tactic... you should probably take a step back... use a VASTLY cheaper ship... and watch how others use said expensive ships first. How did you Veterans start?
Helios Grim Perkone Caldari State 11	Posted - 2017.01.24 21:02:40 - [4] - Quote Is that to say I shouldn't learn anything I don't already understand? Then perhaps a newbie should never mine because they don't know how to use a mining laser. None of that was helpful.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 11421	Posted - 2017.01.24 21:16:11 - [5] - Quote Let me put it another way; - you are asking us basic fitting questions that you should have learned at the frigate level - you are asking about a very expensive ship that requires support from other people so that it will not die against the first hostile you encounter (see: hostile player frigates are a threat to you) - you are asking how to "rat"... which is another thing you should have picked up as a true newbie (because honestly.... ratting in high-sec is no different than Null-sec in terms of mechanics... merely difficulty) From my standpoint, you are setting yourself up for a massive loss (and yes, you WILL lose this ship if you are asking such basic 101 questions) and potentially ragequit from the game. We really do mean well. And we are telling you that you are not ready to even know about the details of capital ships yet. Not until you can grasp basic ship fitting and strengths/weaknesses. How did you Veterans start?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 11421	Posted - 2017.01.24 21:19:26 - [6] - Quote Another way to put it: You are asking tank pilots "what fuel does it use" and "what kind of ammo should it have" after explaining that you want to go deer hunting in one... in Somolia. How did you Veterans start?
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2017.01.24 22:05:37 - [7] - Quote This feels like a troll post to me. If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content. If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way.
Helios Grim Perkone Caldari State 11	Posted - 2017.01.24 23:30:58 - [8] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: This feels like a troll post to me. If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content. If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way. What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? And frankly I'm agitated that anyone would say after more than 3 years I didn't earn my wings like everyone else. Back to subject, I would greatly appreciate any help, and I will also keep in mind the well meant warnings listed above. What fighter skills should I have to effectively rat in null sec in a carrier, and what tonnage should they be?
Wander Prian Art Of Explosions Hole Control 362	Posted - 2017.01.25 01:22:33 - [9] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: ergherhdfgh wrote: This feels like a troll post to me. If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content. If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way. What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? And frankly I'm agitated that anyone would say after more than 3 years I didn't earn my wings like everyone else. Back to subject, I would greatly appreciate any help, and I will also keep in mind the well meant warnings listed above. What fighter skills should I have to effectively rat in null sec in a carrier, and what tonnage should they be? The fact that you are asking for the SIZE of thefighters already points that you have not read about the capital mechanics. The fact that you are asking about fitting in here, instead of the ship&module-subforum is also a pretty bad sign. We aren't being mean. Just trying to save you from a few billion lossmail. Wormholer for life.
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 1371	Posted - 2017.01.25 01:37:26 - [10] - Quote Ah, don't listen to those stick-in-the muds. Surely you know how to rat, no? It's not so different with a carrier. Just check if your skills are good enough to actually be faster than with whatever you typically fly for ratting, and if so, just go ahead and do it. Make sure to fit a cyno, align out while in the site, watch local and be in the standing fleet. (there IS a standing fleet, right?)

Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2489	Posted - 2017.01.25 02:06:41 - [11] - Quote nah skip the carrier and go right for the super carrier, the ticks are way YUGE! Also officer fit everything possible, purples for days. @ChainsawPlankto
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2642	Posted - 2017.01.25 10:05:47 - [12] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? Asking carrier questions in New Citizen's Q & A. It's such a strange thing to do it makes people wonder if you are trolling. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1806	Posted - 2017.01.25 10:31:42 - [13] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Helios Grim wrote: What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? Asking carrier questions in New Citizen's Q & A. It's such a strange thing to do it makes people wonder if you are trolling. To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps.
mkint 1408	Posted - 2017.01.25 15:18:07 - [14] - Quote Hooray for $ for SP! Yeah, there's a reason the honor tank guy is still made fun of even all these years later. If you don't understand the most fundamental questions in EVE (how do I tank? What skills should I train? How do I make a loadout?) and then hop in a ship you haven't bothered learning anything about, you probably deserve the inevitable lossmail. My advice is to get back into a frigate and learn the games mechanics first. Either sell that SP back, or sit on it for a year or two until you've gained the experience you need to actually participate in end game content successfully. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 11429	Posted - 2017.01.25 16:05:56 - [15] - Quote Quote: To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps. To be fair... in my opinion... if you buy a lot of skillpoints or an older character so that you can fly big honking fleet level ships you give up any pretense of being a newbie and are essentially saying, "nah, I don't need to go through that learning process first... I got this!" And that means... 1. This question should be in Ships and Modules. 2. You will be treated the same way every other veteran who asks these kinds of questions will be (see: if you have to ask such basic questions about capitals, you should not fly them). Now, if you are as capable with sub-capital ships as you say you are, then fitting up a carrier to kill NPCs should be trivial. And you should already have a firm grasp on how to look up ship requirements and how to get the most out of any ship you want to fly. And you should also quickly see why carrier ratting is VERY RISKY and can easily be done by a much cheaper sub-capital. How did you Veterans start?
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3882	Posted - 2017.01.25 16:17:07 - [16] - Quote carrier lvl 5 fighters lvl 5 fighter bombers lvl 5 jump drive calibration lvl 5 marauders lvl 5 all sub systems to lvl 5 once all thats done inject titan skill book and train to lvl 3 ignore the haters i got your back fam Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1806	Posted - 2017.01.25 16:39:19 - [17] - Quote Valid points. And I don't even fly battleships much because I still lack the ISK and skill to do it comfortably. Everything with small and medium guns is just fine for me. And I am definitely not going to buy a carrier pilot. And even if I did I would ask carrier pilots in corp for help with the fitting and stay aligned to station all the time when ratting. And I also know that GÇ£Everybody come and halp, my ratting Hel got tackled, how should I know that neutral had a cyno?GÇ¥ is a perfect way to make yourself look like an idiot. I just wanted to point out that the game design of EVE kind of encourages GÇ£newbie carrier pilotsGÇ¥. And I donGÇÖt like the GÇ£if you have to ask donGÇÖt fly itGÇ¥-answer much because why should I warn other pilots to fly expensive loot pi+¦atas? Go for it and see how it works out everyone. Some may succeed; some may lose it at the first day out. ShahFluffers wrote: Quote: To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps. To be fair... in my opinion... if you buy a lot of skillpoints or an older character so that you can fly big honking fleet level ships you give up any pretense of being a newbie and are essentially saying, "nah, I don't need to go through that learning process first... I got this!" And that means... 1. This question should be in Ships and Modules. 2. You will be treated the same way every other veteran who asks these kinds of questions will be (see: if you have to ask such basic questions about capitals, you should not fly them). Now, if you are as capable with sub-capital ships as you say you are, then fitting up a carrier to kill NPCs should be trivial. And you should already have a firm grasp on how to look up ship requirements and how to get the most out of any ship you want to fly. And you should also quickly see why carrier ratting is VERY RISKY and can easily be done by a much cheaper sub-capital.
Fal Shepard Vrtra Armamentarium 125	Posted - 2017.01.25 16:50:53 - [18] - Quote I think the biggest misunderstanding here is that you may have posted this in the wrong channel. Even so, don't let these guys get to you. Yes, you sound like you have much to learn regarding capitals in general and should thoroughly research their usage and mechanics. If you still want to learn what skills and fitting you need, get on the singularity server and try out what works best. There's no penalty for losing one and they're all basically free. From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1169	Posted - 2017.01.25 18:42:20 - [19] - Quote You didn't post in the wrong channel. And to you regulars, this isn't GD. If you really can't just answer the question or post something constructive.. well basically just get bent. OP I think this is more of a min/maxer question, is the Nidhoggur your favorite ship? Does your alliance have enough PVP ops with capitals to justify going further or is it purely ISK/ticks? I've personally trained the Minmatar Carrier to IV and the Fighters to IV just because in the extreme amount of time taking it to V I could learn to do so many other things instead. I figure you're getting help from your alliance on this but if it's just outside opinions you're looking for then there's mine for what it's worth to you. Good luck! @lunettelulu7
Keno Skir 1223	Posted - 2017.01.25 19:32:37 - [20] - Quote You should do what you gotta do mate, but the vets here do have your best interests at heart. The choice to warn you against the silly idea, or to encourage it and profit from your death is one we at NCQ&A have to make a lot. You must understand that the people who want you to do well in EvE are the ones saying "you're too new to fly carriers". The ones you need to watch out for are the ones who tell you it's a brilliant idea, since most likely they are also working on killing your new shiny at the same time as talk to you. For the wasteman who told the regular helpers to "get bent" (Lulu), you haven't been here long enough to critique the work of actual regulars. If you had sat through the HUNDREDS of posts about what a **** game EvE is because whatever shiny got wrecked, only to discover the user had bought their way into a capital and imagined it would be death proof, you would not be so quick to condemn the extremely valid advice being dispensed by people who actually know what they're talking about. Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. If someone does not have this experience it can be assumed they bought the skills / character and SHOULD NOT be encouraged. Think about it for just a sec Lulu, if we don't aim to help the guy we would tell him "yeah mate no problem all you need is this, this and this to IV, happy ratting". This advice would cause him to lose all his ISK and quit the game most likely same as all the others. We're merely asserting that he should gain experience in game and not on the forums, and trying to prevent yet another rage quit as a result of upshipping WAY too fast. Enjoy your carrier OP genuinely, none the less you ARE going to lose it due to inexperience with EvE and i hope you don't rage quit for long <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> Including ISK Bonus & In Game Assistance - Piracy / Wormhole Space / Covops PvP

Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1172	Posted - 2017.01.25 20:19:41 - [21] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: You should do what you gotta do mate, but the vets here do have your best interests at heart. The choice to warn you against the silly idea, or to encourage it and profit from your death is one we at NCQ&A have to make a lot. You must understand that the people who want you to do well in EvE are the ones saying "you're too new to fly carriers". The ones you need to watch out for are the ones who tell you it's a brilliant idea, since most likely they are also working on killing your new shiny at the same time as talk to you. For the wasteman who told the regular helpers to "get bent" (Lulu), you haven't been here long enough to critique the work of actual regulars. If you had sat through the HUNDREDS of posts about what a ** game EvE is because whatever shiny got wrecked, only to discover the user had bought their way into a capital and imagined it would be death proof, you would not be so quick to condemn the extremely valid advice being dispensed by people who actually know what they're talking about. Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. If someone does not have this experience it can be assumed they bought the skills / character and SHOULD NOT be encouraged. Think about it for just a sec Lulu, if we don't aim to help the guy we would tell him "yeah mate no problem all you need is this, this and this to IV, happy ratting". This advice would cause him to lose all his ISK and quit the game most likely same as all the others. We're merely asserting that he should gain experience in game and not on the forums, and trying to prevent yet another rage quit as a result of upshipping WAY too fast. Enjoy your carrier OP genuinely, none the less you ARE going to lose it due to inexperience with EvE and i hope you don't rage quit for long With respect, I can see who else is doing some assuming! We don't know the real SP or extent of his real experience - but apparently asking about carriers is a no-no. I didn't see that sticky! Your post is most fair though and yeah, for me to tell everyone to get bent is a silly and broad generalization. I am definitely aware that I haven't been here long enough for my posts to weigh enough or mean anything (new money) but there's also plenty of old money posters that really should just take their jaded ** somewhere else. I'm just here to whistleblow .. again. I hope OP ain't a troll lol - (I'm sure he's more than aware of how vulnerable and expensive a Carrier is.. it's been a while since i've looked but there are Carrier guides everywhere that focus on one bit or another. If there was a recent, well written/structured video I'd certainly share it here. @lunettelulu7
mkint 1410	Posted - 2017.01.26 03:27:32 - [22] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: You should do what you gotta do mate, but the vets here do have your best interests at heart. I'm not. I'm just a jerk. I get frustrated when people start thinking "I spent the most $ so I should be the only one who can win! As long as I have more $ than you, no matter what happens, I still win!" The honor tanking guy deserved every last bit of grief he got between the moment he RMTd huge piles of isk and gear to the moment he got every last isk forcibly taken away from him. He was a turd. I get flabbergasted when people who have legitimately played the game for a long period get to a point where they can make a huge investment but didn't bother to lay any of the ground work for that investment. A potential carrier pilot gets there legitimately, but sounds like he's never trained any other skills whatsoever, and like he has never been in any kind of a fight? That's ridiculous. You're playing the wrong game. You don't get to be a good carrier pilot by being a long time miner. Start over. Both of those sound plausible based on the content of the OP, especially considering this section is NEW Citizens. There is no such thing as a rookie that SHOULD be flying a carrier. Even most vets would be better off avoiding them. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 664	Posted - 2017.01.26 05:23:03 - [23] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: You didn't post in the wrong channel. And to you regulars, this isn't GD. If you really can't just answer the question or post something constructive.. well basically just get bent. but they are giving constructive answers. Just Add Water
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2017.01.26 11:51:33 - [24] - Quote Gregorius Goldstein wrote: I just wanted to point out that the game design of EVE kind of encourages GÇ£newbie carrier pilotsGÇ¥. Could you please add more detail to this statement? My experience of Eve is the exact opposite of what you are saying here. At my first reading of that statement, my knee jerk reaction was that you've totally got the wrong idea of Eve and are imposing concepts learned in other MMOs onto Eve. I'm willing to consider that maybe I've missed something but I am very curious what makes you say this.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2017.01.26 12:16:25 - [25] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. If someone does not have this experience it can be assumed they bought the skills / character and SHOULD NOT be encouraged. One of my corp mates, back when he was new, decided that he wanted to fly a Rorqual. I told him that he should just chill and learn the game and that there was nothing fun about fly a Rorqual. ( this was back before the recent changes when Rorqual pilots just sat inside PoS bubbles ). He ignored my advice and started a second account and focused on getting into a Rorqual as quickly as possible. He purchased a Rorqual before he could even fly one and was pretty much watching the second tick away until the skill finished to board and undock in the ship. On his first cyno jump, trying to get his new cap ship home, he bounced off of a station in low sec and lost his Rorqual. He had literally spent only minutes in the cockpit of the ship before it became a loss mail. He could not easily afford the loss of that ship. It took him a long time to save up for it and it was a huge set back for him. Worse yet even if he had not lost the ship he could not have even used it much as where we live there were free system wide full mining boosts available near.y 23 / 7. So it was a pointless ship for him to have and a pointless loss. The ship brought him no enjoyable gameplay and it's loss set him back greatly. Much risk for very little benefit. Fast forward a couple years and that Rorqual alt of his doesn't seem to get much use. His main which flys mostly small and medium ships in PvP and medium and large ships to make isk is what still gets used the most for him. IMHO the kind of people that want to get into cap ships as quickly as possible are playing Eve as if it were another WoW clone and trying to get "level capped" and get "decked out" to get to "end game content" as quickly as possible. I used to play WoW and in that game everything before level cap and being decked out in raiding gear was just to get you to that point. The "real game play" in that game only existed at level cap and with a decent gearscore. Eve is a completely different game. You can participate in a meaningful way in pretty much all game activities from day 1. 10 years later you will still be flying a lot of the same ships that you flew in your first months of playing the game. Cap ships are not some OP legendary weapon that helps you pwn or anything like that. They are big, fat, slow, expensive ships that everyone is trying to get on the kill mail of. They have a specific purpose in large fleet engagements but are fairly useless everywhere else. If you want to learn your lessons the hard way then by all means ignore all the advice of the experienced players here and continue your pursuit of getting decked out in purpules.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1814	Posted - 2017.01.26 15:17:23 - [26] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Gregorius Goldstein wrote: I just wanted to point out that the game design of EVE kind of encourages GÇ£newbie carrier pilotsGÇ¥. Could you please add more detail to this statement? My experience of Eve is the exact opposite of what you are saying here. At my first reading of that statement, my knee jerk reaction was that you've totally got the wrong idea of Eve and are imposing concepts learned in other MMOs onto Eve. I'm willing to consider that maybe I've missed something but I am very curious what makes you say this. There is no bound to character, bound to account, bound on equip or bound on pick up loot in EVE, most games I know have this concept to some extent. Usually you canGÇÖt buy GÇ£endgameGÇ¥ stuff with ingame currency and you canGÇÖt buy ingame currency with real money from the company running the game either. In a lot of games the best equipment drops from raids and endbosses, is quite rare and binds to the player picking it up. Or at least to the first account using the item. And is it absolutely not common that you can buy skills and GÇ£higlevelGÇ¥ characters for ingame and by proxy real money either. ThatGÇÖs because most games try to pretend there was no GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ option and the best stuff can only be reached by the best players. EVE is different. If you are willing to risk your money you are welcome to do so. You are not forced to grind raids until stuff drops, you are not forced to gather experience points until you reach the highest level, you can just buy everything. All you need is either time or money. The killmails and the drama this option generates are part of the EVE gameplay in my opinion. I totally agree, that everything in EVE letGÇÖs most people come to the conclusion that just buying yourself into big ships is a bad idea. Because it does not matter what skills your pilot has, your own players skills are what matters. BUT the option to bypass the journey is there and a small fraction of people will use it just because they can, why not, YOLO, no poors, whateverGÇª CCP themselves tell their customers: GÇ£DonGÇÖt fly what you canGÇÖt afford to lose and bigger is not better.GÇ¥ But I am sure that they are 100% aware that this wonGÇÖt stop some players from doing it anyway. And I guess that they see this as part of content creation and perhaps are even quite happy about it because it generates cash and adds to the special GÇ£unforgivingGÇ¥ flavor of EVE. What is possible in EVE and what is an good idea are quite different things.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3884	Posted - 2017.01.26 15:28:17 - [27] - Quote thats not really encouraging GÇ£newbie carrier pilotsGÇ¥, any other mmo you can simply just rmt your way to the top stuff, ccp try to cut out rmt by offering the stuff themselves, so you are saying while other mmo's dont offer buying stuff from the company for real money they are essentially encouraging rmt? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1814	Posted - 2017.01.26 15:35:07 - [28] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: thats not really encouraging GÇ£newbie carrier pilotsGÇ¥, any other mmo you can simply just rmt your way to the top stuff, ccp try to cut out rmt by offering the stuff themselves, so you are saying while other mmo's dont offer buying stuff from the company for real money they are essentially encouraging rmt? Yeah, bad wording, sry. CCP encourages "Pay-to-Win" carrier pilots. And it is up to debate if you win anything that way. But you can do it without third party RMT and without the risk to get your account banned. That PLEX>ISK>Injector>morePLEX>bigShip chain is quite unique to EVE. Sure, some people may buy a MMO account on EBAY, but I think the "against the EULA" part hold most players back. To much risk of a ban. CCP got rid of that risk. That is all I say.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1814	Posted - 2017.01.26 15:40:51 - [29] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. If someone does not have this experience it can be assumed they bought the skills / character and SHOULD NOT be encouraged. But capitals REQUIRE no in game experience to lose them either. That is the beauty of EVE.
Helios Grim Perkone Caldari State 13	Posted - 2017.01.26 18:05:08 - [30] - Quote The potential that I could lose the carrier has already been WELL explained and the risks involved. Aside from Lulu, I have not received remotely any help from any of you. I asked for help and I got nothing but criticism and insults. This conversation is now over, and I hope none of you respond to other pilots in this way.

mkint 1412	Posted - 2017.01.26 19:17:36 - [31] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: The potential that I could lose the carrier has already been WELL explained and the risks involved. Aside from Lulu, I have not received remotely any help from any of you. I asked for help and I got nothing but criticism and insults. This conversation is now over, and I hope none of you respond to other pilots in this way. The criticisms are valid. The perceived insults are suppositions, as we don't know you personally. The responses of "You're either asking in the wrong section or you are doing something that's a terrible idea" is the correct response to your question. That you haven't supplied information that suggests anything other than the second one being the case, the onus is on you to correct the most logical assumptions. That you don't like that response has no bearing on the validity of the responses. In fact, the responses given were better advice than the question you asked: "get good first." Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2644	Posted - 2017.01.26 20:28:52 - [32] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: ...I have not received remotely any help from any of you. You most certainly have - you simply didn't like it or choose to recognize it. Helios Grim wrote: This conversation is now over... "close your ears" if you wish, does not change any facts. Good luck. Helios Grim wrote: ...I hope none of you respond to other pilots in this way. Actually people have been fairly nice to you in their responses. If you are so easily offended by these NCQ&A forum responses, one wonders how you react to things such as loss and/or local smack ingame. I invite you to post this same thread in the general discussion or even ships & modules subforums and compare the responses you get there with what you have received here. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1880	Posted - 2017.01.27 02:28:33 - [33] - Quote Gregorius Goldstein wrote: TL;dr: OK, bad wording on my part. EVE encourages Pay-to-Win carrier pilots and the hilarious drama it causes. There is no bound to character, bound to account, bound on equip or bound on pick up loot in EVE, most games I know have this concept to some extent. Usually you canGÇÖt buy GÇ£endgameGÇ¥ stuff with ingame currency and you canGÇÖt buy ingame currency with real money from the company running the game either. In a lot of games the best equipment drops from raids and endbosses, is quite rare and binds to the player picking it up. Or at least to the first account using the item. And is it absolutely not common that you can buy skills and GÇ£higlevelGÇ¥ characters for ingame and by proxy real money either. ThatGÇÖs because most games try to pretend there was no GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ option and the best stuff can only be reached by the best players. EVE is different. If you are willing to risk your money you are welcome to do so. You are not forced to grind raids until stuff drops, you are not forced to gather experience points until you reach the highest level, you can just buy everything. All you need is either time or money. Oh ok now I understand what you are saying. I totally see your point with the exception of you putting the blame on CCP and vets looking for easy KMs. I'll explain... But first I want to say that I think that us vets and CCP out of our way to try and explain it but new players just don't believe us because it goes against everything they learned in other games. Yes Eve is different in many ways. First off there is no end game in Eve so your comment about not having to grind raid bosses for end game gear is at best a moot point and more likely just completely mis-guided. No ship in Eve is any better than any other ship. Each ship has it's uses and everything in Eve is situational. In other games a level 90 character doesn't even have a chance against a level 100 character and a character with a gearscore a couple hundred points higher has exponential factors of power over a lower geared player. In Eve a carrier is not better than a BS or even a cruiser or a frig it's just different. In Eve people don't fly cruisers because they can't afford battleships they fly cruisers to do stuff that cruisers do well and fly battleships for stuff that battleships do well. A very new player in a very small cheap ship can get under the guns of a very high skill point character in a very expensively fit Battleship and pwn him. You will never see a level 10 beating a level 100 in WoW. I think that there are a few more points about Eve that you are missing: First there is no structured anything in Eve. We have no instanced content that is balanced for a fixed number of players of a fixed level. You can run a level 4 mission by yourself or you can run one with 200 of your closest friends. On top of that anyone else can bring 400 of their closest friends into your mission space to join you. A corpmate of mine was solo belt ratting in a T1 cruiser that was cheaply fit because we had a cloaky camper in local and he didn't want to mine so he decided to rat in something not worth hot dropping on. The camper decided to drop him anyway and the fleet that came in had 9 super capitals. That is 3 Titans and 6 Moms plus a handful of smaller ships just to take out one, ** fit, cruiser. It was a hilarious loss mail! Note in the above story it was the smaller ships that came with the supers that killed him. The supers weren't there to add power to kill him, they were more just bait to try and escalate the situation. My point with that story is the old saying in Eve that if you were involved in a fair fight something went horribly wrong. Big ships have a difficult time hitting small ships. Bigger is not better. The most followed statistic in PvP in Eve is probably kill efficiency which is isk value of the ships that you have lost versus the ships that you have destroyed. The point of Eve is doing more with less. Also you can deadspace fit your ratting ship and get better isk / hour but when you loose one it costs a lot more to replace. So often you'll wind up more cash flow positive if you just fly T2 fit ships. Thus more expensive ( read that as decked out in purples ) is not necessarily better. But probably the main point with regards to this is that what you are flying and how it's fit is far less of a determining factor on outcomes than is player knowledge. What you know is an exponentially bigger factor in this game than in most others. You can find all kinds of examples of experienced players, on very low skill point characters, and in very cheaply fit ships beating multiple, much higher skill point characters in T2 ships with more expensive fits. Gregorius Goldstein wrote:** Perhaps I have just a bit more GÇ£SchadenfreudeGÇ¥ than you assumed. I had to look up what it meant but now that I know I'll say probably not. This is Eve after all and one of the favorite pastimes in Eve is surfing killboards for LOL KMs.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2503	Posted - 2017.01.27 03:57:36 - [34] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: You didn't post in the wrong channel. And to you regulars, this isn't GD. If you really can't just answer the question or post something constructive.. well basically just get bent. 99/100 posts in NCQA are helpful, however no effort how do I capital posts deserve whatever they get. The first two results on google for "eve online carrier ratting" have a ton of info and are: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4h9gzo/the_quick_and_dirty_carrier_ratting_guide/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Slq-aVS4_w Plus there is always the option to go on sisi and try it out. @ChainsawPlankto
Wander Prian Art Of Explosions Hole Control 371	Posted - 2017.01.27 11:06:44 - [35] - Quote Helios Grim wrote: The potential that I could lose the carrier has already been WELL explained and the risks involved. Aside from Lulu, I have not received remotely any help from any of you. I asked for help and I got nothing but criticism and insults. This conversation is now over, and I hope none of you respond to other pilots in this way. First warning-sign was the fact that you were asking about carriers in this forum. Not the ship&modules, where fitting-questions usually go. The next was the fact that you are in a NPC-corporation and haven't been in a large nullsec-corporation at all. Then your wording suggested that you haven't actually done any reading up on capital ship mechanics, which all combined just leads to a quick loss of a carrier and you rage-quitting the game due to nobody warning you how difficult it is. Could I have made my point less bluntly, sure, but I like saying things like they are. After all the discussion here, I'm still standing by my first opinion. You shouldn't get a carrier until you go read up on capital ship mechanics. Wormholer for life.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3887	Posted - 2017.01.27 11:14:11 - [36] - Quote i gave solid advice on how to delay you killing my Angel friends, just saying is all Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
Chihuahuaraffe University of Caille Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2017.01.27 16:59:11 - [37] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. Well, the same is also true of T1 frigates, it's only a matter of scale. You can always offer to be a Personal Capital Training Instructor for the small sum of, say, five billion isk per month, and help redistribute their wealth a bit :) And besides, exploding Carriers make the economy go 'round!
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1816	Posted - 2017.01.28 19:46:55 - [38] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Oh ok now I understand what you are saying. I totally see your point with the exception of you putting the blame on CCP and vets looking for easy KMs. I'll explain... But first I want to say that I think that us vets and CCP out of our way to try and explain it but new players just don't believe us because it goes against everything they learned in other games. Yes Eve is different in many ways. First off there is no end game in Eve so your comment about not having to grind raid bosses for end game gear is at best a moot point and more likely just completely mis-guided. No ship in Eve is any better than any other ship. Each ship has it's uses and everything in Eve is situational. In other games a level 90 character doesn't even have a chance against a level 100 character and a character with a gearscore a couple hundred points higher has exponential factors of power over a lower geared player. In Eve a carrier is not better than a BS or even a cruiser or a frig it's just different. In Eve people don't fly cruisers because they can't afford battleships they fly cruisers to do stuff that cruisers do well and fly battleships for stuff that battleships do well. A very new player in a very small cheap ship can get under the guns of a very high skill point character in a very expensively fit Battleship and pwn him. You will never see a level 10 beating a level 100 in WoW. I think that there are a few more points about Eve that you are missing... Nice, than we are on the same page as I don't "blame" CCP nor anyone looking for easy killmails. I am even quite fond of the fact that you can buy almost anything in EVE because they made it so that you can blow up nearly everything too. And I can see the difference between EVE and didn't miss the points you wrote down. I agree with them all. Only thing I wanted to point out is that is a bit funny that people are "OMG where do all those new carrier wannabe pilots come from" in a game that offers a fast track. Is it stupid to take the fast track? Abolutely! Is it a wonder that it keeps happening? Not so much. Should you warn players even when they didn't ask for it and are adamant to go for it. Up to dabate.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1816	Posted - 2017.01.28 19:49:19 - [39] - Quote Chihuahuaraffe wrote: You can always offer to be a Personal Capital Training Instructor for the small sum of, say, five billion isk per month, and help redistribute their wealth a bit :) And besides, exploding Carriers make the economy go 'round! Yes, my point exactly. If anyone ask if something is risky one should give good advice, if someone wants to undock nice stuff why would one interfere?


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