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loladoll	Posted - 2003.12.30 21:38:00 - [31] i feel al locking of this thread coming up You cant prove if gods (1 or more) don't exist. If god exists it is possible to prove it (he/she/it could appear on election day with his favorite). No conclusive proof has been presented however, ever. Proving something doesnt exist is like weapons of masdestruction : - if you find one, ok, he got some - if you dont find weapons of massdestr/aka as god maybee you just did'nt look good enough, or there are/is non to be found That is why it called believing (accepting without proof) Religion of course is something else entirely. E.g. you can have religious atheists (i know some) ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2003.12.30 22:02:00 - [32] Edited by: Dust Puppy on 30/12/2003 22:07:58 I remember reading similar things but can¦t remember where I glanced at some of the chronicles and the best I can come up with is the "Sisters of EVE" piece. Religion is somewhat mentioned there. As for people who say that religion is stupid then I agree to some point as sometimes find me pitying the "believers". Religion is however very fascinating and I like to read about them so I would really like to read some more about the religions in EVE. Edit: As for my EVE beliefs I just believe anything that Joshua says __________ Capacitor research
Varick	Posted - 2003.12.30 22:52:00 - [33] Well, I hate to end this little "crusade", but does anyone know what the names of the two gods mentioned were, or not? I figured if I brought up religion something like this might happen. I would appreciate it if someone knows. Thank you
Raudka	Posted - 2003.12.30 23:25:00 - [34] Quote: Unless they've figured out that there really is a higher power, then I guess that makes all the athiests look pretty stupid, doesn't it? /me puts on his flame-retardant suit and waits for the militant athiests to begin flaming We still haven't found him pretty boy -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 01:01:00 - [35] Quote: ... It's evidently a warped form of Russian Orthodox christianity. Need proof? Look VERY closely at a bestower sometimes in good sunlighting. I also read a story about the early amarr people way back in early beta or alpha, as having been descended from slavic colonists. No damned clue where that is now though, or if it was official, so it's a best guess. In the manual, it says they're a rogue offshoot of the United Catholic Church. Since there is, to my knowledge, no such thing IRL as a United Catholic Church, that could mean anything. As to the Greek letters on the side of a bestower, firstly, they're Greek and not Russian, and secondly, they're there because of a freak coincidence; there happens to be a well-known rock formation on Kulheim which looks very similar to that particular pattern of Greek letters. Hey .. my explanation's as good as yours. The only "true" explanation is they're there because someone at CCP decided to put them there. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Varick	Posted - 2003.12.31 04:45:00 - [36] I give up. I'll be in my corner. Alone. .......... ................. ........................... anybody there? Will someone just answer the questions! ......... ..............
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2003.12.31 07:00:00 - [37] Here, have a Quafe. The Amarrans, at least, call their god "God". There's mention of "Molok" in the "Ametat and Avetat" POTW, too. Molok is supposed to be the dark, deceptive one. I don't think the various races share a common religion, though. That's one of the reasons for the current struggle between the Amarr and the Minmatar, after all. And in case anyone cares, Akahoshi are all gnostic posthumanists with a penchant for psychotropic-enhanced meditation. It works for us There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Alex Cray	Posted - 2003.12.31 07:26:00 - [38] To be frank, I don't believe in God or anything else... But if there is a God, I am pretty sure he doesn't really care what happens to humanity or what we might say in our prayers. If it really exists then only for setting the parameters of the universe at the Big Bang and probably moved on a long time ago. Meaning we're all left to our own devices.
Melchidael	Posted - 2003.12.31 07:59:00 - [39] "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire Short answer: unfortunately, I have not read anything that is similar to what you describe. Long answer: It seems that there is a great variety among the various religions of eve (I hear tell that the Amarr Emperor even thinks he's god ), and little in the way of commonality between any of them.
Gan Ning	Posted - 2003.12.31 11:14:00 - [40] Lord Stavros will smite thee! Infidels! AIIIIEIEEEEEE! * rams ship into a piece of scordite repeatedly *
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.31 13:27:00 - [41] Quote: Quote: whereas yours is indicative of a benevolent, tolerant nature what does religious belief have to do with making spurious claims as to someone's IQ? Religious belief has nothing to do with IQ. Then again god as a concept is not neccesarily a religious one. Not being able to make that distinction is indicative of one's IQ. Most will agree that they exist. In order to exist where every action has an equal and opposite reaction a source must be present. The concept of god is that source. So evolution, catholic, jewish, etc... all acknowledge some sort of source. As for what god's power is or is not is the religious context that YOU have placed there and is open to debate by many. So when I see someone that cannot make a distinction between a series of actions having a source and some bad religious experience. I think that one's IQ does come into play. Obviously BH you share some of that inability. whereas you still talkin' loud and sayin' nothing. Call me when you have something besides tired semantic drivel to contribute - or when you don't copy your "arguments" off of some website. Not being able to express a single thought of one's own and resorting to petty insults, thinking one has scored some kind of debate points, is pretty strongly indicative of IQ too. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.31 13:29:00 - [42] Quote: If it really exists then only for setting the parameters of the universe at the Big Bang and probably moved on a long time ago. Meaning we're all left to our own devices. So you're saying God is a computer consultant, then. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 14:14:00 - [43] Quote: Quote: If it really exists then only for setting the parameters of the universe at the Big Bang and probably moved on a long time ago. Meaning we're all left to our own devices. So you're saying God is a computer consultant, then. If you dissect logically the arguments presented by a lot of the archetypal "Bible Belt"-type religionist (and you get them everywhere, in every religion, and the US Bible Belt types are by no means the worst), you are forced to the conclusion that God is a three-letter word meaning "we don't know." The blunt truth is, logic, science and reasoning simply have nothing to say about the existence or otherwise of any god. They are all products of this universe, and cannot be applied to questions concerning what's outside it, or who created it. The pure logician will at this point invoke Occam's Razor, and conclude that it's simply easier to assume the non-existence of any god. The Descartes (I think it was Descartes) followers will point out that, if there is no god and you believe there is, you lose nothing; but if there is a god and you don't believe there is, you're going to have a few problems after death, aside from the regular ones of whether you get deep-fried or worm-eaten. Both of these, of course, have no bearing on whether there actually is a god, or not. And I don't propose to discuss my personal beliefs on here. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.31 14:59:00 - [44] Quote: Quote: Quote: If it really exists then only for setting the parameters of the universe at the Big Bang and probably moved on a long time ago. Meaning we're all left to our own devices. So you're saying God is a computer consultant, then. ... you are forced to the conclusion that God is a three-letter word meaning "we don't know." May i put this on a t-shirt? Quote: And I don't propose to discuss my personal beliefs on here. You just did, and thank you for it. Nice post. The details are no one's business anyway. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:03:00 - [45] Quote: [May i put this on a t-shirt? You'd have to check that with Isaac Asimov, who coined the term to my knowledge. And, since he's dead, the only way you could get his permission is if he was wrong in his beliefs and there is a god, in which case, he might not think that now _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Scragg	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Scragg on 31/12/2003 15:08:05 All the religion you will ever need: The Church of the Subgenius Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:11:00 - [47] right, so we've got bob AND eris here on this forum now. Is there anyone we're leaving out? Would Emperor Norton care to stop by? Although he's sorta dual-claimed by both Discordians and Sandman readers.... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:14:00 - [48] Still waiting for Blind Io the Chief of All the Gods to show his face. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Tsual	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:32:00 - [49] Quote: Edited by: Scragg on 31/12/2003 15:08:05 All the religion you will ever need: The Church of the Subgenius After reading through some texts still trying to stop laughing. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Sarkos	Posted - 2003.12.31 15:43:00 - [50] Quote: look up my name *hands Eris back a Golden Apple. Hey, I think you lost this in Curse. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.31 19:10:00 - [51] Quote: Quote: look up my name *hands Eris back a Golden Apple. Hey, I think you lost this in Curse. sums it all up perfectly. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.12.31 20:18:00 - [52] Quote: Edited by: Scragg on 31/12/2003 15:08:05 All the religion you will ever need: The Church of the Subgenius Praise Bob! Been taking othe peoples slack since 1985.
Johnathan Roark	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:38:00 - [53] Quote: I was reading, I think it was one of the Eve Chronicles, a week or two ago, and it made mention that most inhabitants of the world of eve share a mutual belief in two higher beings, one of light and the other of dark. I wont get into detail, so if you know what I am talking about, please help me out here. I know this is dumb, but does anyone know what this information appears in? Is this what your looking for? Quote: Always a deeply religious people, religion remains of great importance to every Amarrian, a fervour which at various times has been responsible both for great good and great evil. And its only Amarr. From Here ------------------------------------- Quantum Industries
Hematic	Posted - 2003.12.31 21:55:00 - [54] Quote: whereas you still talkin' loud and sayin' nothing. Call me when you have something besides tired semantic drivel to contribute - or when you don't copy your "arguments" off of some website. Not being able to express a single thought of one's own and resorting to petty insults, thinking one has scored some kind of debate points, is pretty strongly indicative of IQ too. Well thank you for considering my arguments worthy of being published. I can assure you they are not. However disregarding the argument and chalking it up to plagiarism and making other non-sequiter digs actually just proves what is common belief, you are a hypocrite. What's next BH, rubbing your ears and humming loudly to strengthen your position?
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2003.12.31 22:19:00 - [55] Can we talk about abortion, politics, and the idiocy of the NCAA BCS rankings next??? Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.

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