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ReaperAussie Lennelluc Quantum Nemesis 0	Posted - 2017.01.31 04:42:30 - [1] - Quote There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked. These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with. o7
Mobadder Thworst Legion of the Wicked Way Home Defense Union 1213	Posted - 2017.01.31 05:01:06 - [2] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked. These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with. o7 Please upgrade your troll related modules to at least meta 4 before posting again. This troll build is not competitive.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 308	Posted - 2017.01.31 06:48:35 - [3] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked. These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with. o7 Last I checked, EVE is a pvp game which can encompass being ganked, scammed, ransomed and even taking steps to make oneself an unappealing target while mining. Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs?
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem 3739	Posted - 2017.01.31 07:04:17 - [4] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked. These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with. o7 1/10 poor effort Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop ISD Max Trix favourite ISD '"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Luthor Ikkala Skullwing productions Home Defense Union 7	Posted - 2017.01.31 07:23:22 - [5] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked. These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with. o7 Thats just part of the game! And a part that makes this game as good as it is. I like the idea that youre not sade anywhere. It makes you think what to fly and how to fit it!
Yebo Lakatosh Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 31	Posted - 2017.01.31 07:36:58 - [6] - Quote Dunno how can you veterans still click on these threads. I just arrived, but already bored with it's countless iterations. Ok, I admit, some fellows post 'em in a more amusing way. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem 3739	Posted - 2017.01.31 08:01:05 - [7] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Dunno how can you veterans still click on these threads. I just arrived, but already bored with it's countless iterations. Ok, I admit, some fellows post 'em in a more amusing way. Because occasionally you get a fun one Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop ISD Max Trix favourite ISD '"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 276	Posted - 2017.01.31 11:48:24 - [8] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs? Uhm, Alpha Clones.......seems very "Free" to me. and besides, your "oppurtunity costs" when it comes to Omega's has no bearing on the Fact...Mining is Free to do if you want to do it. Your mining not station trading.
Hipqo Tyde8 161	Posted - 2017.01.31 11:53:03 - [9] - Quote Nodoby is stopping you from either wardeccing them or joining people who wardec them. Thats your choices tbh... A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem 3739	Posted - 2017.01.31 11:53:56 - [10] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Avaelica Kuershin wrote: Oh as for "mining is free", heard of opportunity costs? Uhm, Alpha Clones.......seems very "Free" to me. and besides, your "oppurtunity costs" when it comes to Omega's has no bearing on the Fact...Mining is Free to do if you want to do it. Your mining not station trading. Nothing is ever free Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop ISD Max Trix favourite ISD '"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1834	Posted - 2017.01.31 14:10:16 - [11] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be. Uh, I have bad news for you: This is only one of the "lesser evils" of EVE. Most alliances donGÇÖt just extort some ISK from others, they right out destroy anyone they are not allied with whenever there happens to be an opportunity to do so. Sometimes because they want your space, business or mining grounds, sometimes just for fun and to see things explode. Spying, betrayal, awoxing, backstabbing longtime allies and corporation theft are quite common too, this is EVE. ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine. Maybe they should be stopped, maybe not.. but donGÇÖt hope CCP will do anything about it. If you want anyone to be stopped in EVE you have to find likeminded players and do the stopping yourself. ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining. If you are not trolling you may have no idea how often this comes up on the forums. And you are right; mining does not NEED to be dangerous at all. But CCP made it dangerous by design and not by accident, so it is safe to assume that mining is not meant to be completely risk free. In EVE everything is at risk: Risk of being blown up, risk of being undercut by competitors and in risk of being extorted for some ISK. But you can minimize your risk in highsec by flying the right fits, some situational awareness and a good corp. CODE.and co only go for the most obvious targets around, you are save just by not being among the least clever miners.
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 1298	Posted - 2017.01.31 14:50:56 - [12] - Quote ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote: There are many Ganker co Nitshe? Dat you?
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2017.01.31 15:55:40 - [13] - Quote Yeah this is a pretty bad one. I recently had the opportunity to log back into the game, and actually chat with CODE, and all things being equal they seem like some pretty cool people to talk to. Which makes it all the more sad that they keep posting crap like this. You guys are better than these fake troll accounts, and same stories every day.
Hazel TuckerTS University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2017.01.31 16:37:33 - [14] - Quote See below code can lick my kevin schwantz at high noon in jita
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 637	Posted - 2017.01.31 16:45:55 - [15] - Quote See above
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 590	Posted - 2017.01.31 18:39:16 - [16] - Quote Actually, the OP is not a troll. He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience. I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you! Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Mobadder Thworst Legion of the Wicked Way Home Defense Union 1219	Posted - 2017.01.31 19:29:50 - [17] - Quote Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow). I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor. Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it. If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance. I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash. If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO. Mo
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem 3740	Posted - 2017.01.31 19:45:21 - [18] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: Actually, the OP is not a troll. He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience. I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you! Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says. In that case... @OP Please for the love of Bob use the serch bar and type in 2 key words of your post and read a few before you make a new thread about the same stuff... Forum etiquette 101 Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop ISD Max Trix favourite ISD '"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2017.01.31 21:09:14 - [19] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow). I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor. Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it. If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance. I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash. If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO. Mo There is no such thing as "gank insurance". I feel you probably know that.
Mobadder Thworst Legion of the Wicked Way Home Defense Union 1219	Posted - 2017.01.31 21:15:25 - [20] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: Having recalibrate my jaw at Bing's revelation to the court, allow me to share some CODE neutral observations. I'm not CODE and I actually enjoy trying to catch them when they turn red (but I shoot at just about anything that turns red or yellow). I think I did the math once and figured out that a miner can pull about 200kisk of veldspar in a minute in a covetor. Therefore, the 10mil license equates to about 50 minutes of lost mining time... which without even considering ship values would be lost in the opening day of a war very rapidly and easily. For that to be a year long license... I'd do it. If I ran a mining corp, I would absolutely be CODE compliant. It's cheap insurance. I would apply the same logic to extortionists, but I would negotiate for "protection" in the extortion payment. Both sides win and it keeps extortionists from having buddies war dec you for cash or war dec you again for cash. If mining is your thing, you will interact with the pvp crowd. It is better to choose how and do so in a controlled fashion, IMO. Mo There is no such thing as "gank insurance". I feel you probably know that. I'm just expressing my opinion. Even if the probability goes down, it's worth 10 mil. I'm not a miner, but I've done quite a bit of extortion. It doesn't take long for a relationship to build. Relationships typically end the predator/prey relationship in my opinion. If I was a miner, id consider it.

Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2017.01.31 21:26:06 - [21] - Quote Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really. They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple. Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked. Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked. Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked. Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked. Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen. Nothing. Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well. You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or *any* in game mechanic. All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on. Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK. And relax. It's a game.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2017.01.31 21:31:02 - [22] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: Actually, the OP is not a troll. He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience. I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you! Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says. Going to disagree with you, Bing. OP gives themselves away as CODE by capitalizing "Permit". That's the trouble with pulling double RP duty. Personas get crossed.
Areen Sassel 169	Posted - 2017.01.31 21:53:49 - [23] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well. You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or *any* in game mechanic. Other than D-scan and watching Local (part of Code compliance, most of which is good advice whether you like them or not.) Quote: Going to disagree with you, Bing. OP gives themselves away as CODE by capitalizing "Permit". OP capitalises most of their nouns, a common mistake.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 591	Posted - 2017.01.31 22:11:24 - [24] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really. They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple. Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked. Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked. Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked. Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked. Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen. Nothing. Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well. You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or *any* in game mechanic. All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on. Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK. And relax. It's a game. In other words, "CODE. always wins". Could have save a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that. Now, I don't care if you want to believe the OP is a troll but a simple look at zkillboard will show that I'm at war with his corporation. Of course, it could all be an elaborate hoax to create authenticity for a forum post that a couple hundred people at most are going to read... THAT'S DEDICATION! Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2017.01.31 22:35:12 - [25] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really. They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple. Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked. Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked. Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked. Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked. Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen. Nothing. Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well. You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or *any* in game mechanic. All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on. Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK. And relax. It's a game. In other words, "CODE. always wins". Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that. Now, I don't care if you want to believe the OP is a troll but a simple look at zkillboard will show that I'm at war with his corporation. Of course, it could all be an elaborate hoax to create authenticity for a forum post that a couple hundred people at most are going to read... THAT'S DEDICATION! In other words, "I agree". Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that.
Dom Arkaral Axios 869	Posted - 2017.02.01 13:46:49 - [26] - Quote This thread delivers OP, welcome to EVE also, HTFU :) Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome Max Trix Shall Reign!
virm pasuul The Congregation No Handlebars. 417	Posted - 2017.02.01 15:28:53 - [27] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked. Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked. Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked. Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked. Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen. Nothing. Not true at all. Having a permit and being code compliant makes a huge difference. One thing missing from your list that may explain your problem: Having a good attitude. CODE is a litmus test, a bad attitude is an automatic fail of the test.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2017.02.01 15:53:12 - [28] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked. Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked. Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked. Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked. Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen. Nothing. Not true at all. Having a permit and being code compliant makes a huge difference. One thing missing from your list that may explain your problem: Having a good attitude. CODE is a litmus test, a bad attitude is an automatic fail of the test. I like your interaction. A few items though: It's not "my" problem... I stated earlier back that I had yet to dabble in playing EVE seriously, and that logging in and chatting with CODE was an agreeable experience. So... I have no problems. And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other. The document in question was (obviously) written such that "compliance" is (obviously) in the eye of the ganker/beholder, and can be revoked for any and every reason. I haven't any reason to fault CODEs pilots for playing their way, and they're obviously intelligent people. But really... the RP rhetoric is wasted on me my friend.
Vito Molari Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.02.01 16:08:57 - [29] - Quote Clockwork Robot wrote: And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other. You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections. Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2017.02.01 16:23:45 - [30] - Quote Vito Molari wrote: Clockwork Robot wrote: And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other. You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections. Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.



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