Ideas have already been proposed and CCP said they would implement them - but then they never did.

1) timer rollbacks when a plex is left

2) let militias know where their complexes are being attacked in real time.

These 2 changes would make stabbed farming less profitable and likely so much less profitable that people would just stop doing it.

This would mean a small group could keep the whole area of faction war from being farmed by stabbed farmers.

The idea of not letting stabbed ships in won't work. They can still move far enough away from the warp in to warp out. If you ever got a point on a stabbed farmer it was probably because they wanted you to. They want you to know that unless you gimp your ship with multiple scrams there is no point in chasing them.

I don't think either of these would actually help create pvp content, with experience in 0.0 on average either no one will respond to any alerts or the person attacking will not stay long enough anyway.

The warp core stabilizer is a pretty pointless module outside of transport ships and only really discourages content. If a system is set up which allows anyone to join and easily pvp like fw was intended its pointless to allow such a module into a complex.

Just use dscan and roam, I'm not even in any milita and I find it pretty easy to find people in plexes and which ones. Its basic game mechanics that is useful in any pvp. The problem is when you get on grid with someone scram them and they are away warping to a premade safe spot. Most people just give up all together after this has happened a number of times.

In null this isn't really a problem since the majority of people are not using warp core stabs. Using them to farm in fw carries 0 penalty and pretty much allows minimal risk to the person doing the farming. It wasn't always like this afew years ago.

Rolling back the timer each time you leave would really make people second guess fleeing or sticking around. It will give you a really good reason to stay, especially if you're less than a minute from flipping the plex. If you've invested 5 minutes of your time into capping it, and someone shows up on short d-scan, you're more invested in sticking around and defending that time.

Dear CCP please do something about lowsec faction warfare being plagued by warp core stabilized plex farmers. Faction warfare should not be an easy ticket to afk farm LP all day long with immunity. As the name suggests warfare should have higher risk than the average highsec level 3 mission.

The average fits for none pvp orientated fw pilots seems to be:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/59596680/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/59657728/
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Ideas:

Maybe change the acceleration gates to disallow the modules in the warp core stabilizer group. Another idea might be to set the plex to have a warp disruption bubble around the node which disallows the player to warp immediately. Similar to the system already used with certain nullsec Encounter surveillance systems.
Changing the damage from ai to make it harder to afk farm plexes may also be an idea. Balancing the strength of the warp scram or lowering the points added by the warp core stabilizer to add more points and limit the use on smaller ships maybe an easy option too.

nothing wrong with stabs

pvp isn't just about killing the other guy ...

Just use dscan and roam, I'm not even in any milita and I find it pretty easy to find people in plexes and which ones. Its basic game mechanics that is useful in any pvp. The problem is when you get on grid with someone scram them and they are away warping to a premade safe spot. Most people just give up all together after this has happened a number of times.

In null this isn't really a problem since the majority of people are not using warp core stabs. Using them to farm in fw carries 0 penalty and pretty much allows minimal risk to the person doing the farming. It wasn't always like this afew years ago.

Thats where you lost me :)

But seriously if you want to play hide and seek there are plenty of ways to do that in eve. You can run the fw missions and other missions in low or null sec. You can rat in low null and whs. You can do exploration etc etc.

There is no reason FW sov needs to be yet another hide and seek game. But EVE lacks a real throw down war mechanic. If CCP ever did follow through with the 2 changes (rollbacks and real time intel on plexes) then FW would gradually attract more and more pvpers and you would eventually see a massive increase in the amount of pvp per plex captured. The variety of fights that can occur due to plex mechanics would mean that the pvp is fresh and interesting. - and not blob warfare like nuill sec. Faction war would finally be what it was meant to be - a huge bloody mess of a war that wages constantly.

If plex farming LP and the ISK it can be converted to is the issue then why not change the complexes themselves why mess up a group of modules that are reasonably well balanced in all other areas of the game?

Except rolling up the plexes is also a strategy used by attacking side to get more time to bash the I-HUB for example. If I roll the timer withing 5 second of completion and then leave, the opposing side need to burn it back down much longer if they want to generate victory point to put the I-HUB back into reinforced and interrupting my bash.

If plex farming LP and the ISK it can be converted to is the issue then why not change the complexes themselves why mess up a group of modules that are reasonably well balanced in all other areas of the game?

This was a problem before there was lp for finishing plexes.

I think this is a fundemental issue that needs to be understood by ccp and others talking about this issue.

Many players (moslty pvpers) would prefer a great sov war mechanic that does not necessarily give any isk rather than a horrible mechanic that gives lots of isk.

Lots of players said giving isk/lp for capturing plexes as well as the tier system would solve everything - because now there are consequences for losing space. CCP seemed to think this was the case too. So they really didn't do anything to prevent rabbit plexing and they just threw isk at faction war. So now we have a bad sov mechanic with consequences. Which in my opinion is worse than a bad sov mechanic with no consequences.

CCP needs to make the actual sov mechanic better. Piling consequences on a bad system is no fix. Specifically they need to make it so rabbit plexing is not the best way to gain victory points. (yes the issue is victory points not loyalty points) The way they do that is by implementing rollbacks and giving real time intel on plexes being attacked. They said they would do both of these things due to the players asking for this. But they dropped the ball and it has been years since anyone explained why they didn't follow through.

Here is a post that gives the history:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6082412#post6082412

Why? Because there would be so small amount of rabbits that wolves would die of starvation. What you have now is a quick rabbit and a slow wolf. Become a quicker wolf with more snaring power and you can get your rabbit.

If you like rabbit versus wolf play there is plenty of that mechanic in eve already. Like I said you can do fw missions low and null sec missions. Belt ratting in low null and running anom in null and whs. We have plenty of the wolf rabbit dynamic. We don't need fw sov to be yet another mechanic that is won by rabbits. And anyway I am not interested in fighting rabbits.

EVE could use some wars that are actually fought by wolves and really has no place for rabbits.

Non-FW low sec is supposed to bring that without any "rabbits". How much action do you see there?

Your question seems to suggest you think the rabbits in faction war space are what brings the action. You are wrong. The plexes themselves bring the action and most pvp in these plexes are not with rabbits.

Of my last 100-500 low sec kills far less than 5% were rabbit fit. (probably less than 1% but I will just play it safe and say under 5%) Yet probably 99% of my low sec kills were in and around fw plexes. The rabbits are not driving the pvpers to faction war space.

I used to rabbit while I was in cal FW up to the point where my next few loss were pre-paid for then I went back to wolf mode. It's much more efficient to do it in a **** fit with stabs than with an actual combat ship because each combat ship you lose just set you back on whatever $$$ you want to get more than losing a **** fit ship.

People always fit their ships out for the situation, if your ratting in null you use x ship if your farming LP you use x. Afew years ago people would use sig tanked dual rep incursus or something because rats would spawn in waves inside the plex.
Once ccp removed the rat spawns people were able to fit the kinds of ships they use now, its just the consensus that if you fly x ship you make the most LP for least risk.

On the other had what does this achieve? Lowsec saturated with farmers (rabbits) who have no intention of fighting and aim is to make the most LP. Does this help the game in any way at all? Would new players read about lowsec and get excited about sitting in a plex for 5 min in a non combat fit ship than warping to a safe spot? Or flying around for 30 min landing at 0 on these ships and watching them warp off into the distance.

I can understand that people want to farm and make isk but whats the point of saturating the game with people who create minimal content for everyone? As was said there are lots of things for non combat orientated people to enjoy: Wh exploration, highsec missions, incursions, manufacture, doing low and null combat sites etc etc. Why does lowsec have to be another place where the majority of people refuse to do any kind of combat?

This was a problem before there was lp for finishing plexes.
Snipped out the rest read it above if you are interested.