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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.02 05:02:23 -
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Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?
I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible? |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.02 05:37:35 -
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I was thinking about which ship fails to fill any niche, but I've been away from the game for a while so I don't have the feeling for it I use to have. I know the tempest use to be considered pretty poor, not sure if the rate of fire bonus made made it more popular. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.05 05:00:09 -
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Thanks for all the replies.
I was thinking some of the battleships were meh, but wanted to see what you all thought.
I was thinking that the fleet tempest was meh, simply because it used the old tempest formula. I'm surprised that the fleet phoon didn't make the list, because it seems expensive for average, but apparently people like it. Other things that caught my eye were the navy domi, it has good DPS on paper but I thought it was a bit odd with bonuses.
Suprised to see the rokh, it use to be a reasonable fleet ship just because of extra range and tank bonus, but I guess it has fallen off. Also suprised that the abaddon wasn't listed more, I haven't found what I think is a great fit on it, but I guess someone likes it. Apparently the nester has found a niche, which is nice to see, but I also have no idea what that niche is. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.07 06:33:43 -
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So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.07 07:53:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Mikkir wrote:So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage. You may want to look into a Nightmare.
Yeah, the nightmare seems a lot better for the same-ish kind of ship. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.09 04:06:02 -
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Takh Meir'noen wrote:On the original topic, as much love as I have for the Abaddon, it doesn't really stand out from the Apocalypse enough, especially for L4 missions.
Can you share you abaddon fit for PvE? Everytime I try to fit it I end up doing my impression of the Jackie Chan meme picture.
I'd like to see a not terrible fit for it. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.10 05:14:50 -
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Tomoko Sunji wrote:TFI has extra PG too which is great when it comes to fitting arty as you don't have to sacrifice one of your rigs like a machariel should.
A TFI would probably be one of the most suited battleship to hold a grid.
Can you explain what you mean by hold a grid?
So after more research on the market, it looks like Galente and Minmatar navy ships are also poorly represented.
Navy mega are barely better than regular megas, and horribly outclased by vindicators. Navy domis lack the drone focus the regular domi has, even with higher paper dps. Fleet phoons are poorly situated between barghest and other missile ships, unless you go autocannons which makes it a weaker... any other autocannon boat? And I think we largely covered the TFI, which also struggles to find a niche the mach doesn't dominate.
But again, these are observations from an old noob who's still getting used to the game again. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.11 06:21:44 -
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Takh Meir'noen wrote:HI: 8 Mega Beam (my preference) or 8 MegaPulse MID: MWD + 2 Cap Battery + MJD (beam) or Web (pulse) LO: LAR + 2 Hardener + 2 CPR + 2 HS RIG: 2 CCC (t2), ANC (beam) or ANP (pulse)
It's not a bad ship, really. The beam fit has about 440 omni tank (626 vs blood with specific). The MWD and MJD allow you to position yourself quickly to prime killing distance. If you prefer pulse (I don't enjoy MWDing around between scattered BS's all trying to orbit @ 49k) then the tank is 505 omni (720 specific). It shells out a lot of damage.
However, an Apoc will track better, have better optimal, and need one less cap mod for the same stability, which can be put towards tank (making it tank as well as teh abaddon) or DPS (making it do about the same DPS as the abaddon). I would hands down rather use an Apoc for a beam fit for the optimal increase.
I don't think the Abaddon is the worst BS--I just don't think it stands out enough from the Apoc. Since it needs an extra cap mod to get the same stability, I think it dimishes the ship bonuses it has. I think if the Abaddon had the same base capacitor & recharge as the Apocalypse it would be a better ship. Apoc would then be the optimal + tracking boat, and the Abaddon would be the better tanky/brawler option.
I've flown a Paladin since they added marauders though, so now it's all about the Tachyons for me.
Thanks for the fit. I just struggle to fly a ship where I have to fit 6 cap mods, it really makes me doubt a ship when I have to dedicate that many mods to it.
Maybe it's better than I gave it credit for, but I just struggle to justify it when I do something like that while fitting. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.02.11 10:09:57 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mikkir wrote:
Thanks for the fit. I just struggle to fly a ship where I have to fit 6 cap mods, it really makes me doubt a ship when I have to dedicate that many mods to it.
Maybe it's better than I gave it credit for, but I just struggle to justify it when I do something like that while fitting.
Thats only to get the thing cap stable, generally you fit a heavy cap booster and simply manage your cap.
Do you have a fit I could play with?
I understand what you're saying, and there's a lot of ships that don't really need to be cap stable to be effective, but it seems like the abaddon takes it to an extreme. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2017.03.06 14:45:17 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Marauders aren't the worst battleships (regardless of insurance).
I wasn't sure if that was posted in the wrong thread or not. All marauders are playable as hell. |
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