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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Merick Dronome
But my experience with real PvP games consist of some players, with guns, and generally the more skilled player comes out the victor. EVE doesn't depend on a persons real skills, he who has the largest blob of ships wins, and in pretty much every 'PvP' experience I've had, It a gang of thugs, vs. 1 indy of barge. A person real skills have nothing what so ever to do with how the victor is determined.
That right there sums up my experience so far. I think anyone saying eve is a purely pvp game is confusing it with the idea of it being a PVP DRIVEN game.
The difference? If this game was purely pvp we would have no player run market. There would be no bpos,ores,minerals. You would make isk based on the kills you get,remember this is purely pvp eve so theres no rats,just other players. For EVE to be a pure PVP game you need to ditch the economic side of the game. Even if it had an economy it would resemble that of Everquest2 as opposed to what we see in eve.
Eve is a PVP "DRIVEN" game. Use of ammo,need of modules,PERMANENT loss of ships does 1 thing. It stimulates the economy(lets face it 99% of you guys selling stuff dont know basic economics). Theres a need for goods and isk to be made for providing those goods. This creates manufactures as well as miners. You cant buy jack **** without that carebear miner you want to talk down to. That carebear miner is nothing without the Industrialists paying their absurd mineral prices. Theres no Industrialists if theres no demand for ammo,weapons and ships.
Just like in the real world , losing something creates demand. Demand drives the economy. Without an economy there is nothing to blow up or becomes scarce. Meaning people start to protect their assests far more then when they know they can replace something.
Why would a Dev say "yes eve is a pvp based game"? Several reasons. 1 is to promote the eye catching aspect of the game. No one sees a battleship and thinks," oh i wonder if theres roids to farm?" the first time they see eve. Also promoting eve as an economic game(which 99% of you "industrialists" would realize your owning yourselves) would turn off people that saw the big spaceship cruising around. Why would new people want to play a mmo-economy game where ships dont do anything?
There is also the reasoning for the Devs to promote the PVP aspect of EVE. When have any of you read a history book and really thought peacetime history was more interesting then war history? How many wars are going to start because someone warped in a pack of veldspar thirsty barges? PvP is the most gamer attractive aspect of the game which promotes the other aspects at the same time.
As for EVE's "pvp" the one i quoted is right. True PVP is where each player goes up against one another and the determining factor is their actual skill. Not eve skill but what kind of reflexes you have, how fast you can assess the situation and able to develop a course of action that puts you in a dominate position over your opponent. In eve you can get mad that you lost, most likely its because your thinking of how much isk/time just went up in smoke as opposed to someone just outsmarted you or was faster and more accurate then you.
Does this make eve pvp bad? No but its not true pvp ,something some people purposely ignore becuase it would hurt their epeen in this game. Its no less Pvp then what you'd find in wow or eq2. You have to "train"skills in eve where time = "skill". You cant grind for exp and you cant just make an alt and kick a 3year old character's can.
The most suck ass,unfocused,dimwitted,clumsy guy can "own" in eve while someone on the other end of the spectrum is forced to lose. The reason being the amount of time you have been subbed to the game. Its not near raw pvp, its simply a form of pvp that the Devs thought fit their vision for the game they would call EVE. I will say that its form of PVP is very MMO(read monthly charge) friendly.
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