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Molovian Twilight
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.23 07:15:00 -
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I loosly define it as scope, like a parameter in logic or programming.
How would you define it?
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Mekarae
Amarr House Mekarae
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Molovian Twilight I loosly define it as scope, like a parameter in logic or programming.
How would you define it?
As the absence of Lies, Deceit and Ignorance perhaps.
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 09:31:00 -
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Who's truth? Your truth? My truth? Gods truth?
There is no single one truth. Perception is reality. ______
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Christa Larne
Minmatar Matari Fleet Recon Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:40:00 -
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Truth, like beauty, lies in the eye of the beholder. Your 'truth' may be to me the most blatant of lies while my 'truth' may be to you nothing but propaganda and opportunism. The reality is that 'truth' is a commodity meted out by the powerful. History is written by victors, and re-written by those who overthrow them. Many of our accepted truths are simply the way powerful men and women chose to describe their legacy and were able to do so because they had left none to contradict them.
Be wary of truths that you cannot touch, see and experience yourself. Another person's truth is merely that, their truth. They may truly believe it, or they may be trying to amuse or confuse you, but until you hold it in your eye and know it to be true with every fibre of your being then it is not, and cannot be your truth.
Truth should be earned through personal effort, and even sacrifice. I pity those who accept 'truth' that is handed to them without any sense of having achieved it themselves. Truth without meaning has no purpose. -----
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:43:00 -
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Molovian Twilight I loosly define it as scope, like a parameter in logic or programming.
How would you define it?
Truth is not subjective, but not objective either. If it was entirely subjective then it could not be truth, because then there would be no difference between True and False. Neither is it entirely objective, because then we would all hold the same things to be true. The truth of Truth probably lies somewhere in between, not in the subject or object but in the Subject-Object observation (to use the terms of Phenomenologists).
Truth can be defined as this:
A. Something that is True is derived from an observed or derived fact. B. Something that is True is coherent with other observed and derived facts. C. All derived facts are derived directly from observed facts or indirectly by the derived fact increasing the coherence of observed facts.
...this is of course a very crude definition, and not all people agree with it, or even the basic methodology. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:43:00 -
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God is truth. God created the Amarrian Empire and the Amarrian Faith. Therefore the Empire and the Faith is Truth. The deciever is the opposite of truth. The deciever brought false beliefs to the world. All those who have turned to the deciever and away from God are living lies.
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:56:00 -
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You believe that something written in a book is truth? If I were to write a book and call it the truth and say that I am God and put "evidence" of my deity in it, would people in 1,000 years believe it? Ask yourself you who call yourself faithful, why do you believe this book? What FACTS are there that this god of yours exists? I'll answer it for you. THERE ARE NONE. No FACTS that god exists, therefore in the absence of fact it must be assumed to be false.
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Mekarae
Amarr House Mekarae
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Posted - 2007.04.23 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri God is truth. God created the Amarrian Empire and the Amarrian Faith. Therefore the Empire and the Faith is Truth. The deciever is the opposite of truth. The deciever brought false beliefs to the world. All those who have turned to the deciever and away from God are living lies.
I'll accept god is truth (since divine intelligence, omnipotence, must equal truth) although I suspect Amarrians created both the Empire and it's religion.
God and religion are very different things.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Molovian Twilight I loosly define it as scope, like a parameter in logic or programming.
How would you define it?
Truth is not subjective, but not objective either. If it was entirely subjective then it could not be truth, because then there would be no difference between True and False. Neither is it entirely objective, because then we would all hold the same things to be true. The truth of Truth probably lies somewhere in between, not in the subject or object but in the Subject-Object observation (to use the terms of Phenomenologists).
Truth can be defined as this:
A. Something that is True is derived from an observed or derived fact. B. Something that is True is coherent with other observed and derived facts. C. All derived facts are derived directly from observed facts or indirectly by the derived fact increasing the coherence of observed facts.
...this is of course a very crude definition, and not all people agree with it, or even the basic methodology.
I find that to be a very enlightening and logical definition.
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:06:00 -
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There is only one truth that I, as the one who thinks, exists, everything else is subjective and perception.
If everyone suddenly says that space is ęgreenĘ rather than ęblackĘ, for long enough, it becomes true that the thing you look on called space is ęgreenĘ. But that isnĘt a truth, merely an issue of language. If you catch a murderer, and present him with evidence that he did it and he confesses, is that a truth? After all the killing as you see it (your truth) is different to the killers (as he sees it). Yes a life has been taken, but thatĘs not a truth, thatĘs a fact, an issue of universal mechanics.
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Cetes No FACTS that god exists, therefore in the absence of fact it must be assumed to be false.
Actually, if you can't disprove God, he can therefore exist, null or zero is not a negative, which would be required to disprove god. God could be standing behind me, and each time I turn to look for him, he moves, always out of my site. This is where faith comes in, do you trust that God is behind you, even though you cannot see him?
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Vendrin
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 23/04/2007 21:27:11 Truth is ever a wh*re to perception. _____________________________________
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 00:03:00 -
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The Truth is God.... God is the Truth....
Simple really.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.04.24 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
The Truth is God.... God is the Truth....
Simple really.
Archbishop
The truth lies in the mysteries of the Sani Sabik. Not your poor excuse of a religion.
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.04.24 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 24/04/2007 04:08:41
Originally by: Casserina Leshrac The truth lies in the mysteries of the Sani Sabik. Not your poor excuse of a religion.
There is no truth in unending secrecy. And your religion is no better than that of the Amarr Empire's from which it sprung.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.04.24 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 24/04/2007 04:08:41
Originally by: Casserina Leshrac The truth lies in the mysteries of the Sani Sabik. Not your poor excuse of a religion.
There is no truth in unending secrecy. And your religion is no better than that of the Amarr Empire's from which it sprung.
The Truth is revealed when you choose to the Embrace the Sani Sabik way. Don't and you will be easily forgotten...like a dream.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Vicarrah
Minmatar Minmatar Undergroun Freedom Force
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Posted - 2007.04.24 11:49:00 -
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Absolute Truth is unknowable, unles you have absolute knowledge.
we perceive our universe through our limited senses and understanding, what we may perceive as Truth changes as our capacity for perception and understanding changes.
Consider the following:
A fedo perceives rock as hard, and knows it is solid. This is its Truth. A man perceives rock as a solid material, and knows it is a structured quantum state of some immeasurable building block. This is his Truth. God perceives rock as rock, and knows it is his creation. This is His Truth. * The flying spaggetti monster perceives rock as rock, and knows it is a form of noodle. This is its Truth**
You define Truth. Your truth is yours and yours alone. define it how you will.
* God may or may not exist, I have no proof either way. ** The flying spaggetti monster may or may not exist. I have no proof either way.
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ghanimede
Lasleinur Production
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:37:00 -
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I agree with Christa, truth is the story as written by the victors
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Oro Sarmasa
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.24 20:22:00 -
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Truth is a dirty word, that is slung around by religious fanatics and other ignorant people.
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Femfatally
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Femfatally on 24/04/2007 21:25:58 remove
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Kharakan
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.24 22:12:00 -
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Machines are truth, as they cannot lie unless programmed to.
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:24:00 -
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Quote: A. Something that is True is derived from an observed or derived fact. B. Something that is True is coherent with other observed and derived facts. C. All derived facts are derived directly from observed facts or indirectly by the derived fact increasing the coherence of observed facts.
Good definition. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2007.04.25 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 25/04/2007 01:53:31 The truth is a three edged sword.
Your version.
Their version.
And reality.
You can objectivly search for the truth in on any topic, but once found you then become subjective to it, thus making you blind to it
Peace through the application of superior firepower
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April Knox
COLD-Wing Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:16:00 -
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Truth is a statement. A statement is true if and only if it is not false.
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