Does the mining value include rorquals now?

Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

Does the mining value include rorquals now?

Why?

Why?

Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

Same question - why? It's interesting. What do the (mostly) useless cackle of whiners have to hide?

[GÇô]JintaanCSM 11 - 4 points - an hour ago-á
This was - as some have mentioned - made as a non unanimous point, but none of the CSM had any reasonable objections to it. The main issue is that it provides 100% uninterruptable data on how much you are producing in terms of ships, which - given that it also tracks how much you import - lets you get a really good estimate of how many supers are being built. That's kind of not good in terms of raw, free information to be putting out there. How would you guys feel about simply wiping the numbers and ranking the regions, like a scoreboard?

[GÇô]JintaanCSM 11 - 23 minutes ago-á
[....] I personally feel like spies getting this sort of data, or having a more direct ingame source would be more compelling gameplay than simply waiting for the monthly update. I'm all for pretty graphs though, and I'm sure once the USTZ CSM piles into this thread they'll be paying attention too. How would you feel about making the graphs somewhat team security-esque and just removing the numbers but showing some form of relative production chart? Or not naming the regions?

Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

[GÇô]CCP_Guard 54 points 7 hours ago-á

Hey, all!
I wanted to jump in and give some perspective. In the metrics session at the summit concerns were raised about the depth of detail players get from data provided outside the game by CCP. These are not new concerns and they're always on our mind when releasing data, especially data that is unobtainable through gam-eplay. We know how much you guys love data from the EVE universe which is why we provide it. It puts things in perspective and it's just fun. It adds to the experience. We want to show you things but we also don't want to ruin anything or cheapen the experience of actually finding things out in the game.

So a couple of misconceptions I see shining through are that the CSM tell us what data to put out. That's not the case. We take insights and advice from the and we value their input greatly. When they disagree with you or each other, those viewpoints are equally important.

Another is that we've rigidly decided on something and etched it in stone. That's not the case. Let's have a discussion.

Why?

maybe we can just take the nullsec regions data out of the report and just give us the empire (and maybe npc null) regions in the report. Most of the nullsec regions are basically negligible in their trade and production values so they're not too interesting anyway.

As with many others, I would appreciate the regional data - at least some of it - being included in the MER. Like others, I also have the reason of it's the most interesting part of the MER.

I guess I kinda understand nullsec people not wanting so much of their economic data handed out.... but what about the rest of us? It's stupidly vague information anyway, and, if it's so important then ... maybe we can just take the nullsec regions data out of the report and just give us the empire (and maybe npc null) regions in the report. Most of the nullsec regions are basically negligible in their trade and production values so they're not too interesting anyway.

That way, the few nullbear bosses who care can keep their data secret, and the many rest of us can continue to enjoy the numbers about the regions that are actually interesting enough to pay attention to.

Sorry if I sound insulting, but unless I'm missing something (which is likely the case since we haven't been given any real reasoning aside from "CSM said so") then I'm actually disappointed that "remove the regional data" was the order given and uncompromisingly followed instead of "remove the nullsec regions data" like nobody thought it through at all

Another good reason to spread the world in a few weeks : Don't vote for CSM, you will give more power to power blocks.

Why?

I have no problem with people disagreeing to my points.

I'm happy to see that so far everybody posting here (and some of the CSM?) were against removing the regional stats from the MER.

Let's be realistic: the CSM is intended to represent the players, but it's far from a perfect system. There's probably only a few dozen players who want the regional stats removed from the MER, and hundreds or thousands of players who want it to stay in the MER. Right?!

As mentioned above, it's neat too to see nullsec people actually starting to produce and trade more. That is what the new structures were intended to help do - spread out production and trade from the few great hubs, and make New Eden's trade and production landscape more varied and interesting. The regional stats are showing us that it's actually happening and that IS interesting ...

Another way to think of it... keep the stats or remove them, will any players be so upset to quit over it? In both directions, the answer is no, so, why make the change? The only difference is this:

1) Keep the stats - a handful of players (paranoid alliance leaders and nobody else) are a little uncomfortable about some free data
2) Lose the stats - hundreds or thousands of players are sad and disappointed that CCP caved to the request of a few

Just pick the lesser of two evils...

This was a request by the CSM (Aryth).

Having inconvenient facts rubbed in their faces on a regular basis through CCP reports makes that narrative harder to uphold.

Let's talk some inconvenient facts...

1) You've known about these reports. They've been around over a year now.
2) You didn't make a stink about them before...
3) The Jan MER report showed data you didn't want to others to known. (Having said that, Bravo on those Delve Numbers)
4) Now that we all know you have rock pounding hard-ons, The CSM Member of your alliance pushes and gets rid of the Regional MER.
5) And we know it was Aryth because his name is the only one in CSM Minutes. No one else is mentioned by name.

What your boy Aryth just did stinks like a bloated fedo that gorged on ozone and blew itself inside out.
Don't be a inside out Fedo.

Regional data is interesting. But who does it hurt for it to be removed?
Only one person in this thread mentioned that he has business interest in this information.
Others just do not like having 'interesting information' removed.

On one hand some of people living in those regions are not comfortable with publicly available statistic about their business.
On other - people like to have this information, "it's interesting".

For some reason i feel that first group has more weight in this story. I'm i getting this wrong?

Without the regional numbers, the monthly economic report is just a sit-rep on the game activity in general.

I oppose the removal of the regional breakdown of the economic numbers.


It sincerely appears that the CSM is not a functioning body representing the interests of the general population of the game.