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Butyok	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:21:00 - [1] I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME !
Cammulos Mining Bytes Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:24:00 - [2] You just need to find a nice 0.0 system to goto. I know a real nice system called EC-P8R that is anti-pirated, its kept real nice and neat so nubs such as yourself can come and see the true nature of 0.0. So don't give up, come on out sometime. Heck..maybe you'll eve see me.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:25:00 - [3] Good, less anoyying people stealing ratting systems and screwing up chains. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Shal'tin Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:32:00 - [4] dont go to low sec during prime-time, go like at night when there are 20000 or less people.
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:33:00 - [5] head to Tortuga, it's a free port
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? bring 24 friends? Join The Fight With Promo Today
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME ! Don't go to 0.0 unless your joining an alliance and moving there to join up with them, or if your in a large gang purposly raiding someone or hunting people to gank in 0.0. 0.0 is not for solo players.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 06:05:00 - [8] You cant win against 24 people alone?? damn, your clearly not cut out for 0.0
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.04.25 06:22:00 - [9] pick another entry point. I know someone who uses Bob's own complexes and he's in Iron I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot. Nice Isk. I'll take it.
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.04.25 06:45:00 - [10] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? bring 24 friends? wont that be lame tho, 25 v 24, kinda outnumbered and gankage blah blah blah
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.25 07:38:00 - [11] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 25/04/2007 07:44:48 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Don't go to 0.0 unless your joining an alliance and moving there to join up with them, or if your in a large gang purposly raiding someone or hunting people to gank in 0.0. A 0.0 corp is sufficient, doesn't need to be in an alliance. NPC space is open for all corps, who are either good at making friends or able and willing to pvp and have enough stamina. I'd say 10 relatively active pvp'ers are enough to take over a system by force in npc 0.0 and make it their home, if they choose a [b]good[b] target. Kill their carebears and make it impossible to earn isk, but don't fight, if they get help and you get blobbed. The system should be yours within a few days or weeks. We have done that once to a young alliance and after one weekend, when they were mostly trapped on station, they were already trying to negotiate to move out without getting killed. Having backup of a big established alliance didn't help them, because those couldn't be always there to help them.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.04.25 07:40:00 - [12] Sweeping generalisations _
Xtreem Gallente Fire Mandrill Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 07:52:00 - [13] the thing with 0.0 is mostly this, getting in and to a lesser extend getting out are the hardest things, once your in unless you cruise in an alliances hub 0.0 constelation you will hardly see another soul. very strange out in the 0.0'ness
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:17:00 - [14] I've been flying in 0.0 before i joined the people who actually run the place, and it's fun, scary, but fun. As mentioned here, you need to find another entrypoint. Or get someone you know flies around there to "friend" you and show you around. I can't ofcourse tell any entrypoints or helping hands 'cause the people i fly with would probably chastice me
Justa Harmlessguy	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:19:00 - [15] Ah, I hear 0.0 is beutiful this time of year. I've been going there a lot lately, wrote about it here: My vacation in 0.0 Hi, I'm from Uranus!
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Decimus Corp FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:19:00 - [16] ive done the 00 thing with 5 active members and survived quite happily. -NEVER CONFUSE OPINNION WITH FACT-
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME ! Don't go to 0.0 unless your joining an alliance and moving there to join up with them, or if your in a large gang purposly raiding someone or hunting people to gank in 0.0. 0.0 is not for solo players. 0.0 is fine if you want to solo
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME ! That's probably for the best. Personally, I listened to the advice given to me by those with more experience than I and have no problems at all living in 0.0 Advice: Check the map ALWAYS watch local Prepare safespots and gatespots in a fast scouting trip Learn to use the scanner and the system map Be patient
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.25 08:23:00 - [19] This is like... "Omg I was in my Itty III with all my tech II mods and 3 BS BPOs in it, jumped into Jita but had to go afk on the gate for 30mins...when I came back I got killed by a suicider! I wont ever ever ever go to Jita again! Jita is death!"
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.04.25 09:06:00 - [20] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 25/04/2007 09:11:31 Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 25/04/2007 09:05:31 Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME ! The point is, you can find a piece of 0.0 thats entirely deserted. I've been ratting in a particular system of 0.0 for a week and didn't see a SINGLE person in local all the time. Gatecamps work both ways - if the gatecampers don't care for a particular 0.0 system themselves they won't go there, and their gate camps reliably keep everyone else out once you're in. The problem with all that is of course that while much of 0.0 is deserted, you can't sell your loot or do anything really without access to stations. Player-owned stations are just a gigantic space mousetrap I find cause you usually can't dock and get ganked. NPC stations aren't much better, camped and dangerous to be arround IMHO. Might do relatively fine with insta-undock BMs ... maybe ... which brings me to a question I have: Could players put bubbles at 0.0 NPC stations and if not, why not? The other type of fun in 0.0 for solo players is being nimble and in a dirt-cheap ship. Fit an executioner or a probe with an MWD, put a small or medium secure container in, respectively, fit stabs and/or inertia stabs. Make bookmarks 160km from the belts in a busy 0.0 ratting system. Then zip arround and collect the leftover loot from the spoiled people, salvage their BS wrecks etc., this is by far the easiest way to get decent cash as a low-skillpoint player. Beats cruiser mining and level 1 missions by far. And for the record, I learned the same lesson, having had my ratting raven ganked in 0.0 after three minutes by a blob of 15 ships (and having lost it mostly due to being lagged to death). Hence, if cash is a concern, use cheap frigs for the above tactics, or if ratting is your thing scout for a quiet place, then bring in an AF or maximum a Drake, and scout ahead for gate camps the first jumps into 0.0 with an alt. Cheers -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 09:11:00 - [21] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? bring 24 friends? thread over Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.25 09:18:00 - [22] They are only in a 24 man gang so they don't have to fear 12 man gangs, they're not necessarily out to shoot solo pilots, they just will anyway, and yes you learned nothing, which is in opposition to the PvP rhetoric that you will learn only by fighting and losing. I give some 0.0 a go every now and then, it's not really for me. I tend to fly solo or in very small gangs, and well, Me Versus Eve are rubbish odds, so I stick to combat where I can use my other skills to create more balanced fights. And by balanced I mean ones that I usually win. 0.0 isn't the pinnacle of all things PvP unless you decide it is. You don't have to listen to every whining carebear who ways you're not brave enough to make it there. You tried it, it sucked for you, try something else. Eve: Cheats prosper.
IHurricane Amarr SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.25 09:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Topaz Skydiver Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 25/04/2007 07:54:55 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Don't go to 0.0 unless your joining an alliance and moving there to join up with them, or if your in a large gang purposly raiding someone or hunting people to gank in 0.0. A 0.0 corp is sufficient, doesn't need to be in an alliance. NPC space is open for all corps, who are either good at making friends or able and willing to pvp and have enough stamina. I'd say 10 relatively active pvp'ers are enough to take over a system by force in npc 0.0 and make it their home, if they choose a good target. Kill their carebears and make it impossible to earn isk, but don't fight, if they get help and you get blobbed. The system should be yours within a few days or weeks. Confirmed --------------------------------------------- There was never a genius, without a tincture of madness - Aristotle
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 09:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Butyok I went to 0.0 just check it out and i get ganked 24 vs 1 so my lesson is ?? I will never ever go there ! I will live in epire and no1 will hurt ! And who is looking for more target in 0.0 thats will not ME ! I just tried a lvl 4 mission and my cruiser got targeted by all 30 NPCs and kill so my lesson is ?? I will never ever do lvl 4 missions ! I will mine veldspar and no1 will hurt ! Any who is looking for fellow missionrunenrs thats will not ME ! And the lesson is: for everything there is a wrong and a right way to do. You just found out one of the wrong ways
Vasiliyan Black Straw Research	Posted - 2007.04.25 10:00:00 - [25] From time to time I clone jump over into 0.0 and run missions there. It makes a nice exciting change, and I've not lost a ship yet.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.04.25 11:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn 0.0 is not for solo players. Bleh. It's not easy as a solo pirate, but it's not impossible either. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.

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