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Tiro Whyte
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Posted - 2007.04.25 03:56:00 -
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I'll start by saying "This is an my second slot of my account, deal with it, the stupid forums are way too complicated for me to figure out how to fix it"
Appoligizes to those who were offended, now back to my topic.
When I bought this game a few years ago I rememebr being able to trvel for hours without seeing more tah na handfull of players, and those you saw were polite and helpful. I played for a bit, then stopped do to finances. My enjoyment was manily the artwork and the learning system. PVP back then was in the infancy and mostly 'consenual' as people went out of way to fight the ones they thought wold be fun. Tehre were pirates, but encountering more than a pair at once was a raity. People created corp out of curiosity and no one cared which corp you joined nor if you stayed in a noob corp.
I came back for a few months shortly before RMR and saw the game had blossomed, but areas seemed crowded and 0.0 became 'gang' turf. Still somewhere you could go but most people basically jsut kicked you out, or offered to charge you a fee to use areas, both of which in my opion were reasonable. People still respected each other and valued their items.
Being in a noob corp still was okay not everyone 'had' to be in a corp and most alliances were losely formed with a few execptions
Fast forward to today, and sudden;y I can't seem to go anywhere or do anything without being harrassed cause I'm in an NPC Corp. So I go and join a corp, which promptyly joins an alliance and suddenly I'm no longer free t ochoose what to do, I'm now being told I have to train 'this' and train 'that' or else I'm going to be booted. "Goodbye" So I'm back in an NPC corp. I decide what the heck to avoid the stigma of being in NPC corp I'll form my own corp. I go out to find an area to play in (.5 system bording a faw lowsec areas) and withing a week and a half I'm suddenly being told to '**** off, carebear. You can't mine in our area', now I'm getting upset, I played in low sec cause I would like to build my own ships but apperently I'm not allowed to since it's "Their" space, I looked again and notice it was Gallente space and pointed it out, and not 10 minutes later I'm surrounded by a gang of 6 people who took pleasure in belittling me for 20 minutes instead of killing me, after 5 minutes I contemplated logging off, but realized if I did that I'm doomed forever with a label as a 'logoffskier' and damn it to hell if I let a gang of punks force me to ruin my character's name. So I wait trying be polite which obvious peeves them off even more, then they have the nerve to ask me for 10 million to save my ship, being as I put most of my moeny into my ship I don't have that cash nor am I in a corp with other people (see above why not) so they blow me up, then almost immediately I'm targeted by a frig I think and warp jammed again, the rest 'leave system' and then the guy pods me saying "Leave the area permanently, or this will happen again"
This got me royally peeved, but not willing to be forced out I stay in area for another week, resulting in 3 more poddings and 6 more ships being blown up, by the smae people. So I say screw this I'm heading to safer waters, I go to .7 system, forced to work with a new corp as this system doesn't have my 'favored' corp in it, and I hate losing money to taxes in a game. I begin to do my missions and a few days later, after a few days offline, I log in leave my base and sudden;y I'm shot down in .7 system I go um Concord where are you? I find out the damn pirates war decced my puny 1 man corp casue they wanted to get more fun.
My question is If I can't go to low sec to make moeny caue I get PVPed, I cna't go to 0.0 cause I'm not in an alliance and I'm being hunted down in hi sec by pirates for kicks whaere am I suppose to play this game? I'm getting tired of staring at the station background for fear that losing another ship will make me quit.
Am I doing something wrong?
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Gobblock
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Gobblock on 25/04/2007 04:03:00
sounds like you just need for find a laid back corp that isnt going to tell you what to do.
they exist.
they just by their nature dont go looking for people.
And if you dont want a player corp, because you cant deal with people, or you cant find some people who arent *****s, just remember, eve is what you make of it, just need to use your imagination a bit.
EDIT: check this alts evemail btw
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Whoozyer Daddy
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:17:00 -
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Firstly, these 6 should not have been able to do more than harass you in a .5 or higher. If you were in .4 or lower 'uninvited' (or even invited) then you're fair game in a mining barge.
With 25k or more active in eve you're not likely to be in a 'clear' system even in the furthest reaches of 0.0 for very long. Back in the ancient days of 4k peak users it was easy to go days without being intruded upon. Now you have to be in an alliance or strong corp to make much for yourself outside of empire which has become 75% macro in untouchable NPC corps (which is why you get abused continually... NPC corp = macro these days), 20% corps warring with each other, and 5% 0.0 peeps flying in to run the market and back out to 0.0
You're trying to run a blob game solo... ain't gonna work.
Train some combat skills and become a BBQer yourself, train some combat & scan skills and become an archeologist, train some combat skills and run missions, train some combat skills....
... heck, just train some combat skills. Your options will open up exponentially.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:17:00 -
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Tiro Whyte,
I have played Eve since beta and simply put back then it was a small "elite" cadre of non Wow types in the frontier of mmorpg development.
a year or two ago it went mainstream and almost overnight server load jumped from 2-3k to 25-30k people on at once. I gather the player account lit tops 120k or there abouts.
Now like all commercial mmorpg the bell ends and nubs are welcomed because they have cash in their hands. I don't say its right or wrong, its just the way it is.
Eve is a bare knuckle game, looses have consequence so pirates and pvpers can really make your life hard if you are not into that aspect of the game.
My advice is to stay in noob corp and keep yourself safe from war decs, then stay in empire space. If once your back into it you find a smallish corp that can give you the peace and quiet, yet support if/when you need it then by all means join up.
Forget or ignore jibes about noob corp, garunteed they just want a chance to pop you.
Peace through the application of superior firepower
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vactet on 25/04/2007 04:24:54
Oh god this is going to be long.
And please dont take this as a flame, I am just rarely uhh..politically correct.
First, the biggest thing that changed was the population of the game. I dont know what the numbers back then were at, but currently (From the Live Dev Blog) we are at 170K subscribers. So that is a big part of the fact that theres people everywhere now.
Second, no clue about the whole why everyone lost their ability to be mature. I despise smacktalk, but I will fully tell someone they are being stupid when they are. But the basic idiocy that alot of people display reminds me way to much of wow. Oddly i can blame Wow for my addiction to eve. Long story short, started playing eve. Trial died, went to wow. Exactly 1 month later came back to eve shaking. Its bad here..but no where as bad as the 13yr olds that populate some other games.
Third, shoot me an email with the corp thats been harassing you. Ive come to know a few people in my short one year term but stuff like that bugs me. Mind you, im an ex/retired/blah pirate myself. I stoped cause i enjoy screwing with the markets in jita a wee bit too much so yeh, need to be able to go up there and its annoying having to go 13jumps outa the way cause of your sec.
Fourth, you...might be a carebear but that does not mean you cannot have teeth. Jesus, hop in a T1 frig and go play guerrilla tactics with these folks.
Fifth, so yeh..there are some good corps to join out there you just gotta find em. Heck i have been with IMSIL for almost 10months now because its a fit for me. But it might not be a fit for the next guy just like most corps. So yeh, shop around.
And a peice of advice. NO corp is going to be 100% laidback, nor should it be. If the CEO is worth his salt he will know when to be all laid back and when to be "We do this as a corp NOW". There are times for both and yeh, just gotta find a corp led by someone that has similiar...ahh..Timing? with you.
As for the lowsec thing. Dont bother mining in lowsec that your corp does not control. And yes, you are right, techincally the Gallentee's owned that system but they were not there enforcing it, some corp was. So by the defination that ownership is declared by those who can exert control then that corp really sorta does own it. But then again, unlike 0.0, ownership can be tricky in lowsec. As for mission running...well kill-missions there shouldnt be a problem. I mission run in my free time (Gotta have isk to pewpew) in lowsec and i am constantly surrounded by pirate corps (INFOD, Anarchy Empire, etc (Secret: They actually arent all that bad of folks)). Do i ever get attacked? Yeh..1 time by some random guy who i had never seen before, but i was able to survive and send him running. The reason why kill missions shouldnt be a problem is cause of the whole undock and warp off thing but eh.
To survive in lowsec..watch local for patterns. Not just numbers but people. If you are gonna stick around an area get to know who lives there too. That way when theres someone new around you know when to be more careful. As for the locals, the best thing is to somehow achieve a whole "I dont mess with you, you dont mess with me. We earn our money however we choose and everything is golden" feeling with them..which can be hard.
LAST thing (I swear!). When writing the post or a reply..look write below the text section where you and I write. Right ABOVE "Post Reply". Character name there. Little down arrow, click that and then select the character you want.
EDIT: Added a space here, or else my sig and the post look as one..whoops.
Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child.
::Im paid to talk, not to be civil.
 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Shadow Lightbringer
Association Of United Bastards
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:29:00 -
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It's too bad you posted this after the patch. In a situation like this, I would have gladly fronted the cash for us to declare war on them for a week. If they are in an alliance, there might still be chance we may have a war going with them ATM. EVE-Mail me the details and I can at least check. 
There are regions that are still relatively friendly and quiet, it is just a matter of finding them. Naturally, you will always run into those who try to claim empire space, and that is where you do need to learn to fight back.
If you EVE-Mail me, I'll let you know of two relatively quiet/friendly regions that maybe more like what you are looking for. If you would like to gain some PVP experience, you could always jump on with my corp for a while and leave when you feel. 
I hope you find what you are looking for though, and good luck to you m8.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:33:00 -
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*GASP* My god that is the first...nice thing i have seen a privateer say in a very long time...
Seriously..that surprised me.
Just a minor gripe. Whoever these guys are...not so smart.
There is a miner. There they are wanting to harass the guy? Retards.
Ive found it better to do this..offer assistance instead. Go "Hey...this is our system, but we dont mind you being here, want some protection or help hauling?"
For a corp of 1!! person yeh, not a big deal. (totally different if some 50 folks move in though).
Why do this? Get a cut for helping with protection, simple. Profit. Its just that these guys seemed to not understand all aspects of it.
Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child.
::Im paid to talk, not to be civil.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nye Jaran on 25/04/2007 09:32:06
It really sucks that the players felt the need to degrade you. However, I've noticed that for every uncouth, rude player, there's at least one person who will be respectful and courteous. He or she will still pod you, but they won't belittle you, provided that resepct and courtesy is returned, and it could even turn out to be beneficial. I've seen many instances where politeness during and after a fight have led to positive standings between players/corps.
That won't help against the 'internet tough guys' in Eve, but for everyone else, it seems to work out for the better. For those people that do insult you, the best thing to do is to ignore them. I realize it's much easier said than done, but it's usually the best way to handle things.
As for joining a corp, if you'd like, evemail me and I'll put you in touch with my CEO. We run around a few lowsec places in Gallente space, are a very laid back corp that's into both PvP and industry, and typically have an "anything goes" attitude towards the game.
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Odinegras
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:49:00 -
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Eve-Mail me ingame and ill have a chat to you about the corp im in and there way of thinking. Or go take a look at the forums and make an im interested in more info post. www.eve-starhunt.com There is also a post in the recruitment forum by us but since im not allowed to cross link you'll have to take a look.
But yes the key is to find a good corp :D
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:41:00 -
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Evemail me
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Caligulus
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:56:00 -
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Eve University would be the way to go for you. =)
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:07:00 -
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2 suggestion I hope you will find useful:
1) I have found that most of low sec Amarr and Minmatar space is fairly benign (so far the worst bunch I have found here are October Snow corp, but usually they are easy to avoid when you learn how they operate);
2) after logging in forum, on the left colum will become awailable the setting option (exactly under the forum label, if you expand the label). Here you can choose and set what character will be used in the forum posting, what information will be added (race, corporation) an your signature. I had to rediscover how to do it at least 3 times  (reinstalling windows delete the settings).
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Johnathon Desoto
Caldari
United Federation of Planetary Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:14:00 -
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you want laid-back, no war-decs, and a free rein, hmmm... just convo me in-game, me corp is only 2 people, and we work in a relativly quiet area of space, with good market systems around.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:18:00 -
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name and shame those pirates and encourage other pirates-mercs to take em out. As for low sec u mentioned border regions, go much deeper into low sec and if u pay attention to local u can probably avoid the loosers that inhabit out there. Eve is a rough game that said go beyond 2-3 jumps into low sec and a lot of systems remain barren.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:22:00 -
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evemail me or Dagazbo ingame :)
Oh Dag might bug u a few times about joining his mining scheme, but just do like i do and u will be fine (aka ignore him when he whines about it  )
There are a lot of nice laid back corps outthere, just need to find the right one which from exp i know can be a hard thing (just look at my corp history hehe)
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:25:00 -
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Sad to hear your experience. I'm still in Empire although I rat in lowsec some times. Just can't be too careful in this game, I'm afraid.
As for peace, then head to Mimnatar or Amarr area and do missions or mining. You wont find near as many people here compared to the Gall and Cald areas.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:34:00 -
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what the last poster said there are quite and laid back corps out there and a lot of smacktards to
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:45:00 -
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People like them irritate me...
Like other have offered, eve-mail me ingame (so I don't forget), and I wil be willing to war dec them, maybe they will come and kill me for "kicks"... But I think its not likly.
Either way, I'll be willing to help you out.
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Shadow Lightbringer
Association Of United Bastards
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vactet
*GASP* My god that is the first...nice thing i have seen a privateer say in a very long time...
Seriously..that surprised me.
Privateers stand up for the little guys because we are all nice. 
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Jessica Lorelei
Minmatar
Decimus Corp
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:52:00 -
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i went to 00 to find peace and quiet, and boy did i find it, how boring is 00?
so now im gonna go have fun again and pvp a lot.
if i want peace and quiet now, i play X3 :) honestly it really helps.
-NEVER CONFUSE OPINNION WITH FACT-
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Jaggeh
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:35:00 -
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come talk to us, we are one of those laid back corps.
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:42:00 -
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Come down to the low-sec regions near Kador in Amarr space. If you're in Gallente, it'll be maybe 20 jumps. The low-sec areas are mostly controlled by us, a band of local industrialists. We band together for mutual protection and don't shoot anybody unless they start pirating. If you feel like it, you can join one of our corps, although you're certainly welcome to just hang around.
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Phaige
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:00:00 -
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Evemail me in game, I can point you to a few quiet(er) systems on in Minmatar space, or if your interested in hooking up with the corp we can get you talking to the movers and the shakers within the ranks 
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UPA Terf
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:02:00 -
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and for a little more peace and quiet when those six started complaining simply use the good old fashioned block
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NSSQUAD
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:05:00 -
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   well guys i was flying around in my ship doing trades and stealing wrecks out in .4 space and i didnt see more then 2 people in the sytems i was in all togeither it was vary hush hush and no one spent much time there but i thoght it was funny that i ended up finding out that everyone who passes me was a rat with a 22mil on his head i dn about you but im not having much trubble with it
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Talkie Toaster
Amarr
Knights of the Industrial Order
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:10:00 -
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dude i have to say it sucks to hear your story but it does ring true to too many of us sadly.
i see you already have a string of corp offers but i can honestly say that Incoherent Inc is the most laid back corp i have ever been in. You are on when you are on, you train what you want to train, nothing is compulsory and everything is a giggle. the official post is http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=494022. we use vent but again its not compulsory, we have miners and manufacturers and mission runners and all sorts. have a look, i doubt you will be dissappointed.
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Kyo Dai
Caldari
Knights of the Industrial Order
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:25:00 -
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Talkie speaks the truth. Regardless of whether or not you choose a player corp or stay in an NPC corp no one can tell you what to do in .5+ space. If they are harassing you report them. In lower sec systems its the rule-of-the-fist....or missile or blaster or whatever. I guess what I am trying to say is that you play the game your way. If its not against the rules someone else in the game is doing it that way and would probably like some company.
Kyo
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:32:00 -
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I'm glad to see some positive responses in this thread as oppose to the usual "Adapt or go play wow" rhetoric. Unfortunately you fall into the category of players that tend to get bullied the most. Those who want to work on other aspects of the game other than pure combat are at a considerable disadvantage as more advanced players have a pretty tight grip on the markets, piracy is an ever growing pass time, and the majority of new content and adjustments made in EVE are combat related.
But I want to respond to this statment:
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You can't mine in our area', now I'm getting upset, I played in low sec cause I would like to build my own ships but apperently I'm not allowed to since it's "Their" space, I looked again and notice it was Gallente space and pointed it out, and not 10 minutes later I'm surrounded by a gang of 6 people who took pleasure in belittling me for 20 minutes instead of killing me, after 5 minutes I contemplated logging off, but realized if I did that I'm doomed forever with a label as a 'logoffskier' and damn it to hell if I let a gang of punks force me to ruin my character's name.
This is where the storyline/NPC element of EVE fails greatly. CONCORD are like private police that will more or less support those who are willing to pay them off. Logically in Gallente controlled space the Gallente military should be out in force making it clear that the space is under Empire control. That means low sec too as there are Gallente owned gates and stations in lo sec as well as Gallente offices and agents. Unfortunately this is not the case and players can simply choose to control low sec systems at will with only a slap on the wrist by CONCORD as a determent. As a member of an NPC corp or even a player corp that has good standings with the local faction you should expect some sort of backing support, alas no. Hopefully with Faction Wars this chasm between the storyline/NPC element and player gameplay will be closed. We'll have to wait and see.
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beor oranes
Caldari
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:39:00 -
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Yeah, as Jag said look us up. Easy, laid back, our directors don't force anyone do anything they don't want too and will help you in anyway we can.
If not, have fun, fly safe!
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Chade Malloy
Anarchy Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:02:00 -
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Ouch, that really sucks, being wardecced while in a one-man corp  , this is just low. But trust me, there are still whole constellations where you wonŠt find more than 10 people at best in a system, and 0.0 is far too huge to be completely controlled by alliances. If you do some scouting, you can still find the odd system that has decent roids/rats and even build a base of operations there; just remember to stay flexible and donŠt put everything on one card.
If you are still looking for a friendly, laid back corp, donŠt be afraid to mail/app
Originally by: Oveur
Jesus Christ. The Freighter ate the Stargate god and the Dreadnought didn't!
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