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eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:13:00 - [31] As others have said you can do it in Apoc (geddon is really hard for a lot of them) Abaddon i haven't tried for pve but from pvp experience it will never have the cap for solo missions. Coming from where you are now - I advise you give up and get a raven. I waited far too long and stuck to my lasers thinking eventually with enough SP they would be good and I could finish missions in reasonable times.... forget it - even with t2 everything, maxed engineering skills, bs5 etc the Apoc still sucks compared to Raven. First off, Raven tank is so easy it's stupid. Second, Raven doesn't have to change ammo for targets at differing ranges. Third, it always does the perfect damage type to the npc you are fighting (This is especially important when shooting angels) Fourth, it has no problems hitting fast cruisers / BS which at close range you will miss in apoc unless you fit web which then screws your tank a bit and you get some fast BS orbiting just outside web range that you might not be able to hit..... Seriously - with eve as it is now - raven is THE LEVEL 4 MISSION SHIP. The only thing better is a CNR ;)
Mechalus Kal'lith Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.26 06:49:00 - [32] Say I do go for the Raven to be able to do lvl4's. Whats the minimum of skill needed to go through a mission with descent speed? Also I suppose it will be an active tank rather then passive? But really keep the skills as low as possible, because I'm an Amarr for crying out loud.
El Berto Free Corp	Posted - 2007.04.26 10:32:00 - [33] Edited by: El Berto on 26/04/2007 10:29:12 Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Say I do go for the Raven to be able to do lvl4's. Whats the minimum of skill needed to go through a mission with descent speed? Also I suppose it will be an active tank rather then passive? But really keep the skills as low as possible, because I'm an Amarr for crying out loud. You would need to be able to fit the following mods for a raven; Named cruise lauchers, Heavy NOS, T2 large shield booster (or t1 x-large shield booster), shield boost amp, T2 active harderners, Balistic Control Units (T2 preferably), Damage control and power diagnostic utilities (T2). T2 drones are damn usefull too. Alternatively you could use a dominix, they are more drone and armour tanking based which is more similar to an 'Ammar' skill set. I don't fly them pve, but at a guess highs: med/large gun to get agro, NOS, drone link augmenters, Mids: cap rechargers, lows: NPC specific duel rep tank. Look through some threads. I wouldn't give up on ammar, I think they'll be the next race to get some buffage. Edit: eww, I said basically.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:07:00 - [34] Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 26/04/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Say I do go for the Raven to be able to do lvl4's. Whats the minimum of skill needed to go through a mission with descent speed? Also I suppose it will be an active tank rather then passive? But really keep the skills as low as possible, because I'm an Amarr for crying out loud. You really have to give up on this 'low skill' mantra. Yes, Raven needs less skillpoints than a turretboat, but it will still take time. This is not an instant gratification game. And CCP tries to balance ships with PvP in mind, not PvE. Missiles do less damage when you look at raw dps, but missiles don't have to worry about optimal range and tracking which is a huge boon when facing a lot of enemies like you do in lvl 4 missions. A blasterthron will totally obliterate the dps of a raven, but it has to be really close to the target to do that damage, and that's simply not feasible in most missions. So you have to take long range turrets, but they have great difficulty with hitting stuff that's close.
v4mpir	Posted - 2007.04.26 11:45:00 - [35] don't know why people are saying that you CAN'T use a geddon to do level 4's... i have just started level 4's in a geddon and lo and behold the second mission i get is angel extra :/ bricking it, i decided to give it a go. managed to clear the first room without any difficulty then had to go sleep :P will try the others tonight, but i don't see it being 'impossible' as some of the people seem to suggest. it is a fully t2 geddon with rigs and i have 25m sp. i imagine that it will be easier with faction mods but i don't have the isk atm hence doing lvl 4's :P watch this space...
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:07:00 - [36] The question is not whether you can do it or not. The question is about efficiency and lp/hour + isk/hour. No ship can get a higher rate than raven or it's incarnations... (Rattlesnake=raven incarnation too). N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Ryysa No ship can get a higher rate than raven or it's incarnations... (Rattlesnake=raven incarnation too). That is true. I like not even having to tank. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return	Posted - 2007.04.26 12:21:00 - [38] Originally by: v4mpir don't know why people are saying that you CAN'T use a geddon to do level 4's... i have just started level 4's in a geddon and lo and behold the second mission i get is angel extra :/ bricking it, i decided to give it a go. managed to clear the first room without any difficulty then had to go sleep :P will try the others tonight, but i don't see it being 'impossible' as some of the people seem to suggest. it is a fully t2 geddon with rigs and i have 25m sp. i imagine that it will be easier with faction mods but i don't have the isk atm hence doing lvl 4's :P watch this space... The OP was about low SP character.
Mechalus Kal'lith Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 26/04/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Say I do go for the Raven to be able to do lvl4's. Whats the minimum of skill needed to go through a mission with descent speed? Also I suppose it will be an active tank rather then passive? But really keep the skills as low as possible, because I'm an Amarr for crying out loud. You really have to give up on this 'low skill' mantra. Yes, Raven needs less skillpoints than a turretboat, but it will still take time. This is not an instant gratification game. And CCP tries to balance ships with PvP in mind, not PvE. Missiles do less damage when you look at raw dps, but missiles don't have to worry about optimal range and tracking which is a huge boon when facing a lot of enemies like you do in lvl 4 missions. A blasterthron will totally obliterate the dps of a raven, but it has to be really close to the target to do that damage, and that's simply not feasible in most missions. So you have to take long range turrets, but they have great difficulty with hitting stuff that's close. Dude its not like I want to do it with low skill, but (read my lips) I'm an AMARR. So if I'm gonna fly a raven I dont want to 'waste' more skills then needed on it since most of em wont help my Amarr ships, thats why I said as low as POSSIBLE.
eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 26/04/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Say I do go for the Raven to be able to do lvl4's. Whats the minimum of skill needed to go through a mission with descent speed? Also I suppose it will be an active tank rather then passive? But really keep the skills as low as possible, because I'm an Amarr for crying out loud. You really have to give up on this 'low skill' mantra. Yes, Raven needs less skillpoints than a turretboat, but it will still take time. This is not an instant gratification game. And CCP tries to balance ships with PvP in mind, not PvE. Missiles do less damage when you look at raw dps, but missiles don't have to worry about optimal range and tracking which is a huge boon when facing a lot of enemies like you do in lvl 4 missions. A blasterthron will totally obliterate the dps of a raven, but it has to be really close to the target to do that damage, and that's simply not feasible in most missions. So you have to take long range turrets, but they have great difficulty with hitting stuff that's close. Dude its not like I want to do it with low skill, but (read my lips) I'm an AMARR. So if I'm gonna fly a raven I dont want to 'waste' more skills then needed on it since most of em wont help my Amarr ships, thats why I said as low as POSSIBLE. OK you need: Caldari BS 1 Cap recharger II's (not essential but very handy) Power diagnostic II's (as above) Shield hardners (t1 will do) Large shield booster (t1 will do) Cruise missiles (bare minimum will work) I estimate from scratch this might take you 2 weeks depending on your skills already. This will let you finish all current lvl4 missions. It's not a perma tank but its good enough. This is why caldari is the pve race.
Beatrix Kindo	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:33:00 - [41] the minimum skill requirement to run l4 missions as amarr is 13m skill points and an ABADDON with RIGS(this includes advance learning skills at l4)..anything less is waist of time. i dont tell you to fly raven but you can do l3s untill then..
Kayleya	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Beatrix Kindo the minimum skill requirement to run l4 missions as amarr is 13m skill points and an ABADDON with RIGS(this includes advance learning skills at l4)..anything less is waist of time. i dont tell you to fly raven but you can do l3s untill then.. Almost my estimate as well. Though I think with rigs you could be selective and do the Sansha / Blood missions with less SP.
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Kayleya Originally by: Beatrix Kindo the minimum skill requirement to run l4 missions as amarr is 13m skill points and an ABADDON with RIGS(this includes advance learning skills at l4)..anything less is waist of time. i dont tell you to fly raven but you can do l3s untill then.. Almost my estimate as well. Though I think with rigs you could be selective and do the Sansha / Blood missions with less SP. I ran most lvl4s in an abaddon with like 5m sp... gurista missions yes, never did enemies abound (gallente) or angel extravaganza __________________________________ <-- Behold, the eve-o forums
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Ryysa on 27/04/2007 04:16:35 Originally by: eLLioTT wave The only thing better is a CNR ;) Actually this baby is better... And yes, this is on TQ. Entity is one very very lucky man... Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Beatrix Kindo	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:13:00 - [45] Quote: I ran most lvl4s in an abaddon with like 5m sp... if you run l4 missions run all of them or stay at l3..otherwise i think is waste of time
Mechalus Kal'lith Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:30:00 - [46] Well If I go Caldari for missions, the only question remaining is continu on this char, or make a new caldari one (since this one has of course gunnery skills which are a 'waste' then). But this one does already have 2M into learning.... So I guess I know the answer ;) Well, thanks all for your replies, I can take it from here. Just have to figure out if I want to be a true Amarr and have a little tougher time... or join the winning side and go for Caldari ships. Once again thanks all, and Godspeed to you all, Mechalus

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