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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:08:08 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?
Only if they are flying an Omega ship.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:41:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:March rabbit wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area..... Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones. As for Alpha, Pancakes have "Griddlecat" fleet doctrine.
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Kishijoten Lansing
Psyclon Nine Services Inc
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:07:19 -
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I have not seen any way to spot an alpha at a glance... I have 3 accounts that I pay for (Omega) and one alpha account...
My alpha looks like any other T-1 Meta 4 ship out there.
I use my alpha for a few reason... An out of alliance low volume hauling pilot. IE compressed mercoxit that I have Black frogged down. Moving BPC kits to a close high sec (in order to avoid war deckers) A quick look at the market so I don't need to fly out to high sec or some place and have to deal with war deckers. I sometimes use it for bordum solo pvp... T-1 meta 4 does not exactly cost a lot ... And the occasional trade hub trolling :P |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1506
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:53:36 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?
That's idiotic.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:29:21 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic. It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:47:22 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic. It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha. DMC Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?
The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"
Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.
It's not an answer to the question.
There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.
But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.
Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:10:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?
The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"
Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.
It's not an answer to the question.
There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.
But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.
Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
That's it, nothing more need be said.
DMC
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:11:46 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:13:16 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin,
Man, give it a rest already.
DMC
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:20:04 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin, Man, give it a rest already. If only it were a 2 sided coing, then I'd agree.
However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha:
1. Gallente flying an Incursus 2. Gallente flying an Anshar 3. Minmatar flying a Rifter
These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine, then which at a glance are alpha?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5630
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:23:09 -
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Man, who would've thought a fairly straightforward (?) question would generate so much debate... I was just looking for an easy way to help new Alphas out - and I appreciate all the responses (including pros and cons). Thanks all. .....
ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:29:29 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks). If you want it locked, report it and let the ISDs know that you got out of it what you were looking for. Then it'll be locked.
No wonder people go to reddit. Apparently discussion here is clutter.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58769
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:49:54 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin, Man, give it a rest already. If only it were a 2 sided coin, then I'd agree. However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha: 1. Gallente flying an Incursus 2. Gallente flying an Anshar 3. Minmatar flying a Rifter These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine (your words), then which at a glance are alpha? At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.
Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.
Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
DMC
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1509
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:13:46 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.
Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.
Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
DMC They are all Omega clones.
So how is Salvos's claim a just fine answer to the question of how to identify an alpha at a glance?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58775
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:54:14 -
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The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC
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Salvos Rhoska
2235
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:49:25 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic.
Oh Shae, my nagging, bitter old ball-and-chain is at it again.
The above is the only way, at a quick glance, to determine whether its an Alpha or Omega state clone.
Race/racial ship, is not a way to determine it, as it could be an Omega clone in an Alpha class ship. Character age is not a way to determine it, cos it could be an Omega clone new player.
If its in an Omega ship, it is not an Alpha clone. That is the only means available at a casual glance to determine whether its an Alpha clone or an Omega clone.
(Exempting perhaps if you are really good at identifying the weapons as T2 (which requires more than a casual glance). I dont know how many overlaps there are in the weapon models. Also if the ship deploys T2 reliant drones.)
As OP has stated, and DMC echoed, the matter is done.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.19 14:40:26 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.02.19 14:43:03 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment.
Wolfgang still doesnt get it.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.02.19 15:15:28 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment. Well, haters gonna hate. Which is exactly what you're doing.
Quite honestly I don't recognize your name nor do I care if you like or dislike what I post. By the way, just exactly where did I belittle everybody's intelligence ? If you think I'm breaking the Forum Rules then please be my guest and report it.
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strider darknight
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.23 15:32:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
It is good to know that someone is thinking about new player retention and helping Alphas.
My experience so far was the opposite.
"Sh***ing in your plate, just because I can" is the most frequent attitude that I have encountered so far. Guess I was among the "few" unlucky ones.
Recent example (I do not have much time to play for now, so my char is mostly skilling up. Barely managed to skill for an alpha fit Vexor to run the Gala sites).
Last Sunday logged in for 15 min in a remote system with 5 Gala sites. Chose one randomly, warped in, and started shooting the NPCs. When I was done with the frigates and was half way through the cruisers, a Loki uncloaked in the site and was waiting for me to finish the remaining ones so he can one-shot the battlecruiser.
It had happened before this is why I know how it usually goes. I re-called my drones leaving the remaining three cruisers, docked and logged off as I did not have time for a second site.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a 3 months old Gallente char who is flying a Vexor, is using Valkiries I and taking forever to run a Gala site, is an Alpha.
The other sites in the system stayed untouched. I checked the overview while warping to the station.
I do not need your help, I do not need your isk. Just don't mess with my play if you have plenty of opportunities/reasons not too.
You do not have to tell me "Welcome to Eve", "This is Eve", "Suck it up", "HTFU", etc. I know all of it. Can't play much but have time to read a lot, so I know how it goes in here.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1973
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Posted - 2017.02.23 15:44:35 -
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If there was kind of an "new player" flag it had to be optional. Because while some players may help you others will just pad their killboard. |
Amojin
Entropic Synergies Research
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:04:53 -
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Agreed. If the designation does show up at all, it should be in the killmails, so we can run stats and laugh at the chickenhawks. |
aldhura
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:44:11 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars
I have in my time helped lots of new players, and sadly you will get the odd beggar\leech. Best way is to chat to them and throw in some eve lingo, ie if a 2 day ols player knows what a bcs, dc, etc is, then imo they not that new. not the best way to do it and I probably just throw isk away.hahahah. But every now and agian you pick a winner and they move on to be long term players.. or then turn around and gank your ass.. sigh.. the sandbox
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.24 02:31:48 -
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99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers. That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.
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aldhura
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.24 06:47:31 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers. That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.
I don't give those that ask ;) |
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