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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5590
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:37:08 -
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Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
301
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:53:41 -
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3958
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:54:52 -
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pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5590
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:55:40 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful...
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3959
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:59:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.
i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy The Bastard Cartel
649
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Posted - 2017.02.16 12:55:19 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars.
However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3959
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Posted - 2017.02.16 13:12:24 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars. However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way.
yeah thats what i mean
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58517
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Posted - 2017.02.16 13:18:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Hopefully there isn't any way to easily determine the difference between Alpha and Omega Clones. If there is, it could probably be used as an exploit to easily boost Killmails.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27656
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Posted - 2017.02.16 14:13:13 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Hopefully there isn't any way to easily determine the difference between Alpha and Omega Clones. If there is, it could probably be used as an exploit to easily boost Killmails. DMC Me too, I'm going Alpha in a couple of days thanks to a gearbox made of belly button fluff sucking my wallet dry.
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:12:09 -
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You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
923
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:29:29 -
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It's 2017. Are you using employment history to get a ballpark of how much SP a character has too?
Just saying, Alphas have limited skills, but it's the player that makes a character deadly. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3110
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:33:00 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas
So shoot first and get answer later?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5606
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Posted - 2017.02.16 23:20:30 -
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I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2017.02.16 23:39:04 -
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I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you? Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?
Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5607
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Posted - 2017.02.17 00:38:06 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you? Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?
Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it.
That you're cheap? Well, new Alpha and Omega bros then. I know there's probably the potential for abuse, but it would be nice when I'm just sitting around waiting to be able to actually help some of these players out. Yes, there are the various channels but these have been dead anytime I've checked on them and it doesn't really work if they're halfway across the map.
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mkint
1476
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:04:07 -
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Not being able to tell is part of the intended design. They don't want a caste system to develop around clone states. And getting intended design to be changed is far trickier than "wouldn't it be nice" changes.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
202
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:13:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
It would also make it much easier to target them as easy kills, which could have a negative effect on player retention (yes I know that players who engage in pvp, consensual or otherwise are more likely to stick around.) but there are many players who would actively target them if there was an easy way to identify them. which would probably have the opposite effect.
While I appreciate your desire to help, just because someone is omega does not mean they are a veteran, and not all alphas are newbros. being able to identify them easily would not actually make helping new players any easier, and would simply open up alphas to the possibility of additional harassment. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58553
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Posted - 2017.02.17 04:16:36 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas I don't think that's accurate.
Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones.
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3249
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:11:20 -
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What I fail to understand is why one might care whether or not a player is an alpha or an omega.
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
69
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:43:43 -
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Easy way to detect alphas: ask.
I dunno who thought of the idea of us not generating killmails.. But I like it. I'll totally spread it. We don't. We don't drop loot either. And Bob sneezes on those who kill alphas, making their cap drain faster.
Or worse.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
652
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:55:12 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas I don't think that's accurate. Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones. I think he meant killmarker on hull. Killmails are generated.
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Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2017.02.17 07:31:55 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help. I want to learn to pvp and get into big fleet fights in nullsec. Can you help me? |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
39
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Posted - 2017.02.17 07:34:00 -
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Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3113
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:34:09 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis.
Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
41
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:48:08 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?
I guess so, I certainly haven't touched the thing since they were given out. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2069
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:48:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly
Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area.....
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
71
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Posted - 2017.02.17 15:02:24 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:The Gnosis. Hahaha. That's spot on.
Alphas in Gnosises remind me of the fellows who fly battleships sooner than opening their dscan window the first time. Do my brothers a favor and shoot 'em.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2399
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Posted - 2017.02.17 16:12:05 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas This is not accurate. You get a kill mark for any kill for which
1) You get a final blow (typically you should also receive a kill mail.) 2) The target is a ship that is not a capsule, shuttle, or rookie ship. 3) You and the target pilot are not in the same corp.
Kill marks on ships should usually update immediately, however it's possible for them not to update immediately, in which case they should update on a session change (docking/jumping) or receiving another kill mark.
If you kill a player who is playing as an Alpha clone and meets the requirements listed above, you should receive a kill mark for it.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3116
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Posted - 2017.02.17 18:56:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area.....
Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones. |
Takh Meir'noen
24th Imperial Recon
10
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:01:30 -
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Hang out in Rookie Help--three people there:
1. New players less than 1 month old. 2. Vets hanging out to help the new players. 3. Character transfers that forget to close the channel.
So how do you determine the difference between 1 and 2-3?
Just say something incorrect in the channel, and all the 2s and 3s will bite your ******* head off. |
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Salvos Rhoska
2170
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:08:08 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?
Only if they are flying an Omega ship.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6681
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:41:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:March rabbit wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area..... Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones. As for Alpha, Pancakes have "Griddlecat" fleet doctrine.
Click on the thread subject to see linked pics:
Screenshots from Pancakes newest fleet doctrine.
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Kishijoten Lansing
Psyclon Nine Services Inc
0
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:07:19 -
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I have not seen any way to spot an alpha at a glance... I have 3 accounts that I pay for (Omega) and one alpha account...
My alpha looks like any other T-1 Meta 4 ship out there.
I use my alpha for a few reason... An out of alliance low volume hauling pilot. IE compressed mercoxit that I have Black frogged down. Moving BPC kits to a close high sec (in order to avoid war deckers) A quick look at the market so I don't need to fly out to high sec or some place and have to deal with war deckers. I sometimes use it for bordum solo pvp... T-1 meta 4 does not exactly cost a lot ... And the occasional trade hub trolling :P |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1506
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:53:36 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?
That's idiotic.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:29:21 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic. It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:47:22 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic. It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha. DMC Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?
The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"
Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.
It's not an answer to the question.
There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.
But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.
Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:10:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?
The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"
Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.
It's not an answer to the question.
There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.
But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.
Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
That's it, nothing more need be said.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:11:46 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58766
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:13:16 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin,
Man, give it a rest already.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:20:04 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin, Man, give it a rest already. If only it were a 2 sided coing, then I'd agree.
However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha:
1. Gallente flying an Incursus 2. Gallente flying an Anshar 3. Minmatar flying a Rifter
These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine, then which at a glance are alpha?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5630
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:23:09 -
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Man, who would've thought a fairly straightforward (?) question would generate so much debate... I was just looking for an easy way to help new Alphas out - and I appreciate all the responses (including pros and cons). Thanks all. .....
ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1507
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:29:29 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks). If you want it locked, report it and let the ISDs know that you got out of it what you were looking for. Then it'll be locked.
No wonder people go to reddit. Apparently discussion here is clutter.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58769
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:49:54 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.
And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked. Basically it's the other side of the coin, Man, give it a rest already. If only it were a 2 sided coin, then I'd agree. However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha: 1. Gallente flying an Incursus 2. Gallente flying an Anshar 3. Minmatar flying a Rifter These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine (your words), then which at a glance are alpha? At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.
Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.
Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1509
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:13:46 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.
Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.
Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
DMC They are all Omega clones.
So how is Salvos's claim a just fine answer to the question of how to identify an alpha at a glance?
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58775
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:54:14 -
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The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
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Salvos Rhoska
2235
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:49:25 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Only if they are flying an Omega ship. It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship? That's idiotic.
Oh Shae, my nagging, bitter old ball-and-chain is at it again.
The above is the only way, at a quick glance, to determine whether its an Alpha or Omega state clone.
Race/racial ship, is not a way to determine it, as it could be an Omega clone in an Alpha class ship. Character age is not a way to determine it, cos it could be an Omega clone new player.
If its in an Omega ship, it is not an Alpha clone. That is the only means available at a casual glance to determine whether its an Alpha clone or an Omega clone.
(Exempting perhaps if you are really good at identifying the weapons as T2 (which requires more than a casual glance). I dont know how many overlaps there are in the weapon models. Also if the ship deploys T2 reliant drones.)
As OP has stated, and DMC echoed, the matter is done.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
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Posted - 2017.02.19 14:40:26 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment.
Wolfgang still doesnt get it.
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DeMichael Crimson
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Posted - 2017.02.19 15:15:28 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.
However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.
I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.
Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.
DMC I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment. Well, haters gonna hate. Which is exactly what you're doing.
Quite honestly I don't recognize your name nor do I care if you like or dislike what I post. By the way, just exactly where did I belittle everybody's intelligence ? If you think I'm breaking the Forum Rules then please be my guest and report it.
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strider darknight
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
It is good to know that someone is thinking about new player retention and helping Alphas.
My experience so far was the opposite.
"Sh***ing in your plate, just because I can" is the most frequent attitude that I have encountered so far. Guess I was among the "few" unlucky ones.
Recent example (I do not have much time to play for now, so my char is mostly skilling up. Barely managed to skill for an alpha fit Vexor to run the Gala sites).
Last Sunday logged in for 15 min in a remote system with 5 Gala sites. Chose one randomly, warped in, and started shooting the NPCs. When I was done with the frigates and was half way through the cruisers, a Loki uncloaked in the site and was waiting for me to finish the remaining ones so he can one-shot the battlecruiser.
It had happened before this is why I know how it usually goes. I re-called my drones leaving the remaining three cruisers, docked and logged off as I did not have time for a second site.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a 3 months old Gallente char who is flying a Vexor, is using Valkiries I and taking forever to run a Gala site, is an Alpha.
The other sites in the system stayed untouched. I checked the overview while warping to the station.
I do not need your help, I do not need your isk. Just don't mess with my play if you have plenty of opportunities/reasons not too.
You do not have to tell me "Welcome to Eve", "This is Eve", "Suck it up", "HTFU", etc. I know all of it. Can't play much but have time to read a lot, so I know how it goes in here.
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If there was kind of an "new player" flag it had to be optional. Because while some players may help you others will just pad their killboard. |
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Agreed. If the designation does show up at all, it should be in the killmails, so we can run stats and laugh at the chickenhawks. |
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:44:11 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars
I have in my time helped lots of new players, and sadly you will get the odd beggar\leech. Best way is to chat to them and throw in some eve lingo, ie if a 2 day ols player knows what a bcs, dc, etc is, then imo they not that new. not the best way to do it and I probably just throw isk away.hahahah. But every now and agian you pick a winner and they move on to be long term players.. or then turn around and gank your ass.. sigh.. the sandbox
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99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers. That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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aldhura
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers. That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.
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