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But I did not I went on.

However, I say, I bet 30% of the players would, have, and will rage quit from a gate camp, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS, because people who pay premium prices for a service expect premium treatment, not get kicked in the teeth even by other players.

You should listen to the OP because chances are he is a new player and CCP right now is very much interested in NPE feedback. He still has a fresh impressionable opinion about the game, that we staunch players have lost over the years.

Thanks OP for bringing this up. As for your suggestion, I'm against the idea of warp bubbles in High and Low sec space.

I cut to the relevant part. It is relevant because this is what people do in EVE. It is what EVE is about and why people play. There is a continual push to make the game a cute loving place with safety zones where nothing bad happens. This is not what EVE is really about. You died, you got over it. Welcome to eve.

Here is the Falcon punch, it has to be told to people because they mistake eve for WOW:

CCP Falcon wrote:

"I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight :)"

I've made a choice, to continue playing with a wary eye on gate camps, but the NPE might show others deciding to quit because of it. CCP should find that out.

And then again, maybe I'm wrong and gate camps don't matter to the NPE, but I would think there should be some data that would deny or confirm this.

They have done their research, you should use search functions. You are wrong, gate camps matter but in the reverse of what you think they do. Educate yourself, look things up. We're not here to hold your hand and patiently repeat things so you learn by them by rote. You don't get a trophy for being dumb, count yourself lucky.

Since I've seen many complaints regarding the dreaded gatecamp I assume its a large problem that CCP will have to face 1 day or another

CCP have had since 2003 to do something about gatecamps, that they haven't should tell you that they don't consider them to be a problem that warrants their interference.

Hey I really like the idea.

But you should considering leave out the part where your idea comes into action.

So basically remove your idea and your idea is a good idea.

Gate camps are a major part og eve the are used to ensure that no one enters system without your permission.
If you change that it hase the potential to brake eve. At some point things need to be predicable at least to some extent.

If the predictability is not given you can't counter it.

If you want the exit to change places at least make it flowing a predictable pattern.

But this won't change anything till the camper are just going to warp to the next location.

And after all you have a random exit already since it is not clear on wich point within a radius of (not sure about the exact number) 2500m/5000m something like that you will drop out from the gate.

No, ccp already gave you ways around gate camps... interceptors and nullified t3's

and bubbles in high sec would be completely aids.. you would have thousands of people getting dragged hundreds of KM off gates and perma bubbled by idiots like code.

bubbles stay in 0.0.


Also running a fleet in 0.0 would be completely aids aswell.. because instead of your entire fleet being in the same spot after going through a gate.. your entire fleet including capitals and all is spread out in random spots across the entire system

And that would be an enemies dream.. get to the system first.. get a hold bunch of probers and cepters and the moment the enemy fleet jumps in start the probes

Capitals take forever to warp so it wouldn't be to hard to catch a few of them

Its just a bad idea all around.

What u can do with a fleet of interceptors? as they are mostly ment for a taxi and can be bloped by a smartbombing battleship?

Do not speak about null t3 as they can be easly locked by a fast tackler cause of server ticks...

Thank you for demonstrating that you have zero idea what you are talking about.

Op, get out of an npc corp as fast as possible. Once you're out of that toxic environment you'll realise that the 'complaints' you're seeing is just whining from players who want to play a game without consequences.

Player corps will give you the tools and knowledge for bypassing gatecamps. As well as mentoring you through other parts of the game. (btw I'm hiring new bros again)

Npc corps just tell you how awful the game is and that you should stay away from other players at all cost.

hello guys,

Since I've seen many complaints regarding the dreaded gatecamp I assume its a large problem that CCP will have to face 1 day or another. So I guess I can give my 2 cents on it.

I'll tell you what the idea is and explain a bit further how it could work. so the idea is when a person jumps using the gate, it jumps it in a random spot in the destination solar system instead from jumpgate to jumpgate.

that way you could avoid gatecamp...to a certain extent. This is where the fun really starts to kick in. To balance things out, interdictors and bubbles would be allowed in low sec...even in high sec if ccp want too...for me, i don't care for that part in high sec.

Why allowing bubbles ? Well if gatecamps are one of the first places to start fights in my opinion there should be a way to maintain it. Thats where the bubbles comes in. You still have to be careful when you warp to a gate but in this particular case, you wont get ganked on a gate at least.

consequences is that when you jump from high to low sec, you wont get ganked but when you warp to the gate you still have to be careful and use your brain. From low to null sec the same effect, no gatecamps except if you're dumb when warping to a gate and get stuck in a bubble.

idk, am i crazy or is this doable ?

hello guys,

Since I've seen many complaints regarding the dreaded gatecamp I assume its a large problem that CCP will have to face 1 day or another.

No gates means no chokepoints. No chokepoints means it's impossible to force a fight.

This makes it impossible to actually defend...well, anything really.

I'd like both you and the OP to explain why that is a good thing.

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Unless you're talking making player built jump gates the primary means of getting between systems, in which case that whole logistical mess is a terrible idea....

Well, that was then when there were not that many players and it could be tolerated, but now CCP is trying to grow EVE, and I will tell you and them that gate camp is the biggest growth killer that EVE faces. That's my prediction.



However, I say, I bet 30% of the players would, have, and will rage quit from a gate camp, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS, because people who pay premium prices for a service expect premium treatment, not get kicked in the teeth even by other players.