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Loril Nimith Amarr Shadowed Souls	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:26:00 - [1] Hi all; I was wondering if anybody else shared my thoughts. I've seen a lot of neutral and high quality battle reports on this war, and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to have one sticky topic on whats going on (ie major battles outpost losses etc). this would reduce the number of useless threads like "hi wats going on in the var". It would help clean up the forum a lot. obviously there are a lot of problems with this idea (ie what is a major battle? or how do we make sure it stays neutral? etc), but I still think a sticky topic is needed here. what do you think? l ----------------------------------------------- yarr! Its great being Amarr, ain't it?
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:28:00 - [2] I think the thread will be flamed into oblivion with the usual epeen contests, and will do nothing to stop threads created by people that think their view is far too important to be stuck in another person's thread. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
BuIIseye Amarr ROMELITE	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:29:00 - [3] What war? Sig
Bael'Zhaeron Minmatar BaLaNcE Technology	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:30:00 - [4] no please don't
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:38:00 - [5] War's over. Go back to killing everyone needlessly =P Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:40:00 - [6] Edited by: Victor Vision on 26/04/2007 18:38:46 I made an overview during the first two months of the war. The idea was to post crisp headlines giving a rough description of what happened, which have links to threads dealing with the developments mentioned. I think in general that idea works quite well, since by linking to actual threads in which all sides post, relative neutrality is likely. Unfortunatly doing an overview like this is a lot of work since you have to go through almost everything posted on CAOD to find good threads worth including. Anyways, if anyone wants to pick up on the idea, go right ahead. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:50:00 - [7] Don't!! -------------- Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.26 19:14:00 - [8] The war is finished. New residents are moving into the north. The coalition is dead (we just don't know it yet) and has accomplished nothing. D2 is falling apart. IRON disappeared. MM is camping some system in Fountain. RA/AAA are too busy plexing snip- Tirg IAC is too drunk to care. There are no Goons. Goodbye. (this is an official summary of the alliance verison of the war) -------------------------------------
DeadWeight Minmatar Botox Bandits	Posted - 2007.04.26 19:25:00 - [9] The problem with wars like these is that there are huge egos involved, so it becomes difficult to believe what each side is reporting. CCP did make an attempt to provide news coverage in the past, through the NPC corporation, The Scope. Unfortunately many people complained about it and it was cancelled. The only way I can see real news coming out of a war is if a group of dedicated, neutral players, took on the role of creating a news site, and would be granted exclusive access by all parts of the conflict. The problem with the suggestion above is two fold. Most dedicated players who have the sort of energy to pull this off are in an alliance already. The second is that they would invariably be accused of being alts for alliance XYZ. RAT was accused of being RA alts, ISS were accused of being BOB/MC alts and so on. Any neutral entity trying to do something useful for the community will be attacked sooner or later.
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:30:00 - [10] Go see the automatic generated influence map.....up to the left corner there is info about who lost sov and who gained. You dont really need more info then that to get a picture of what happens....
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:48:00 - [11] The reason all the coalition alts reject creating such a post is because they know they are losing
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:59:00 - [12] There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime.
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. /emote Looks around...checks alliance mail...yep, no war here Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. That about sums it up. -------------------------------------
Aries Acheron The Valour Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.27 07:08:00 - [15] Originally by: DeadWeight The problem with wars like these is that there are huge egos involved, so it becomes difficult to believe what each side is reporting. CCP did make an attempt to provide news coverage in the past, through the NPC corporation, The Scope. Unfortunately many people complained about it and it was cancelled. The only way I can see real news coming out of a war is if a group of dedicated, neutral players, took on the role of creating a news site, and would be granted exclusive access by all parts of the conflict. The problem with the suggestion above is two fold. Most dedicated players who have the sort of energy to pull this off are in an alliance already. The second is that they would invariably be accused of being alts for alliance XYZ. RAT was accused of being RA alts, ISS were accused of being BOB/MC alts and so on. Any neutral entity trying to do something useful for the community will be attacked sooner or later. www.eve-tribune.com is a long-running News site that covers all of Eve. Of late however, little war news have reached our ears, and many contacts have dried up on interesting new information. If you wanted a story written, contact one of our writers and offer what you have to say. It'd really help too, as keeping track of a thousand people and asking if they want a story is so hard. :P ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.04.27 07:22:00 - [16] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. That about sums it up. The first excuses starting to show up.
Cregi Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:50:00 - [17] Its sad really,4 super capitals in one alliance and more to come. battleship and below fleet warfare has been nerfed by ccp. 0.0 lost alot of appeal and so has the game its self. 0.0= capital ships and pos's alliance already better then 99% of eve alliances gets to have super capital blobs also good one ccp the game is going in the toilet. Why do i leave eve only to be drawn back? CCP we need a EA program....
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. That about sums it up. The first excuses starting to show up. So do useless **** stirring alts.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.27 09:14:00 - [19] Well according to the FIX front page, IRON has mysteriously lost all it's space! We aren't sure who took our space, but I suspect Burn Eden stole our stations back when they stole our mothership and 4 carriers! _________________________________________________________
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.04.27 10:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Kespii The reason all the coalition alts reject creating such a post is because they know they are losing so why dont u create one then ? Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Cregi snip I'm happy in NPC 0.0. Like a year ago lots of people wanted NPC stations removed. Good that it hasn't been done. The whole sovereignty stuff with pos wars, mega blobs with lag, super capitals and dying nodes aren't really fun, if you have been in that for weeks and months. I'm out of this. My EVE life is made of pvp alliance ops that are fun and a lot of spare time. I have all that I need currently. ISK, hostiles next door for cool gang and fleet combat, a lot of freedom to play, when I like and do, what I like. In my eyes CCP can do what they want with conquerable space. If they want 5000 member coalition empires with all that annoyances that are involved, then I just stay where I am in NPC 0.0 and play my game with gang/fleetsizes between gang 10-70, which also involve capital combat / capital ship killing, but no sovereignty crap, pos spam, mega blobs and doomsday devices. If the blobs get too big, I just fly home for that evening and have some more pvp the next day. Lame that I like to evade the blobs and frustrating side of EVE, I know. Quoted removed from thread -Scyd ([email protected])
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.04.27 21:01:00 - [22] Originally by: NATMav The war is finished. New residents are moving into the north. The coalition is dead (we just don't know it yet) and has accomplished nothing. D2 is falling apart. IRON disappeared. MM is camping some system in Fountain. RA/AAA are too busy plexing snip- Tirg IAC is too drunk to care. There are no Goons. Goodbye. (this is an official summary of the alliance verison of the war) ALL ABOARD THE FAILTRAIN! CHOO CHOOO! And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Wraithborn Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:40:00 - [23] AS so many post above this and in all the others theards prove, neutrality is impossible. UNLESS it is done by the GM'S. but even then someone would complain. still that is about the only way to really find out whats going on. something like system X controlled by A or B / System X 100/90 killed by Gangs of 300/400. that would be the only honest thing just raw numbers nothing else. But odds of this is very low.
Dangerously Cheesey Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.04.28 00:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Wraithborn AS so many post above this and in all the others theards prove, neutrality is impossible. UNLESS it is done by the GM'S. but even then someone would complain. still that is about the only way to really find out whats going on. something like system X controlled by A or B / System X 100/90 killed by Gangs of 300/400. that would be the only honest thing just raw numbers nothing else. But odds of this is very low. I feel bad for you guys fighting this war. With all these titans and moms and thousands of people, it seems like if more than 20 minutes go by without a 500 person fleet fight where 20 capitals go down, people start to panic and make posts about <insert side here> is losing and/or the next <insert dead alliance here>.
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 27/04/2007 08:30:14 Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. That about sums it up. When did the trainwithnobrakes turn into the excusetrain?. Um when they discovered that there was a 700 player limit in system? Dal Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:38:00 - [26] What war? - BH
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 27/04/2007 08:30:14 Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. That about sums it up. When did the trainwithnobrakes turn into the excusetrain?. Um when they discovered that there was a 700 player limit in system? Dal It's not like they couldn't still 2-3 700 man blobs into bob systems and basicly screw BoB slowly.
K5K AnimalMother Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:47:00 - [28] Weird...I was in Jita the other day with 748 pilots in local....I guess the Caldari have some technology from the future...no wait....
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Dawn Princess There is pretty much no war. Who is still actually actively fighting in a "war footing"? Almost no-one. You look at bob's kb and its nearly all random ganks with the odd engagement with goons, there is very little evidence of any fleet battles. Unfortunately ccp have pretty much killed off the fleet game with the introduction of supercapitals at least as far as bob were concerned which is a pity for them as they were very good at fleet combat - who is going to go into a fleet battle against an alliance with 4 titans at its disposal that can just DD pretty much any fleet it goes up against? Why do u think D2 refused to engage last night? The game is back to roaming gank pvp corps with one alliance utterly dominating and everyone else just trying to avoid it for the most part. When we do combat ops now its all about a nice heavy 10 or so man gang looking for other similar sized gangs for a decent fight. No-one really wans to play the major war game as (i) lag is too big a factor and (ii) its a case of he with the most (super)capitals wins everytime. What are you talking about re the gank corps? I havent seen less than 3:1 odds against us for about 6 months, and when it is too good to be true, it is (carriers). Eve is a boring game these days.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:15:00 - [30] Bring back Laythun's battle report index sticky for great justice! Sign my thread - Dev Response needed

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