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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2007.04.26 19:26:00 -
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What about this idea: this is for those that do alot of mining or salvaging. Design a can like the station vault that has the same amount of storage as the ship jettisoned can but can be password locked and would have to be towed via a tractor beam to a roid field or salvage point.
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Ishma Nelass
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:53:00 -
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Exactly how is this useful for salvaging? And how is the can like the station vault? The station vault cannot be removed from the station...
And who has the time to take a can out to a roid field from a station with a tractor beam? By the time you've gotten there you'd have maxed every single skill in the game, and your physical remains have been reduced to dust...
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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2007.04.27 03:55:00 -
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Thats true about the hauling part, perhaps a suped up engine could be used to get the ship there under a slower then light speed velocity.
The reason to have a can like this is to store lots of ore and salvage at one time instead of having to go back and forth to the station. It would be usefull for someone that intends on mining roids for long periods of time or pretty much the whole field.
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Emylissan
Gallente
European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.27 04:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Dryson Bennington
What about this idea: this is for those that do alot of mining or salvaging. Design a can like the station vault that has the same amount of storage as the ship jettisoned can but can be password locked and would have to be towed via a tractor beam to a roid field or salvage point.
Sadly ore thieft is an accepted way to make money in eve and your suggestion would make that impossible so i doubt it will ever have even a chance to become real.
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NumberFour
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Posted - 2007.04.27 04:19:00 -
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Jet Can minning was never intended, and may get nerf'd at some point.
I really doubt this would be a serious consideration for the Devs, unless they have changed their position on it.
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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2007.04.29 00:50:00 -
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why would it get nerf'd? It would take away from the thiefs ability to steal.
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Signaldog
Gallente
Venom.
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.04.29 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Signaldog on 29/04/2007 03:24:58
Not only that, but it makes MACRO mining easier than ever...you just sit and fill up 27,500 m3 of a can with rocks and let it sit there till you can get your hauler on it...hmmmm, would rather that NOT happen. Having enough problems with them anyway.
Although I would like a Larger can that i can bring out "folded up" and put it together in the belt...maybe limit to One SUPER can per corporation per belt to keep there from being 7000 cans per belt, but something bigger than I can put in my cargo bay would be nice.
READ MY SALVAGER THREAD HERE!!!!
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Cute EvEGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.29 03:48:00 -
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Ore theif is soo old school.. people dont bother to steal anymore, now they create an alts to war'dec you. Which is worst than stealing a can!! War'Dec will end the entire corp. Trust me... if you are stealing, you are old school.
Prior to revelations update, an alt or a 14-day trail account can't just simply create a character that will enable you to war'dec or kill people. Now, since all new character start w/ 1 mil SP. A well selected character can wreck total havoc on a mining corp. When you are at war, a corp now have to change what ever they are doing to be more defensive. Recruiting will be tougher, travel will be limited and now you are forced to play against them. The worst part about war'dec is that the attacker can wreck the entire corp, but yet the attacker doesn't have to be online.
A corp can try all the methods: hire a merc, join an alliance, look at local chat, mine at diff time, get more protection or go kill them... but most PvPers don't relize is that the moment you do something other than playing your own style of game.. You already lost. You been terrorized and "PUNK'D". That is the why people dont steal can anymore...
This is a serious exploit that CCP is not fixing. So, why are u stealing?
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.04.29 04:32:00 -
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ummmmmmmm yes. a 1 mil player can ruin a whole corp,
i must think that your corp must be doing something very wrong.
yea i think that would just help out the macro miners,
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Cute EvEGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.29 07:37:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton,
It is not the attack. Most corps can fight and will fight.. but war makes mining corp fight rather than mining. For some people mining is more enjoyable than fighting. Since they can't mine, most of them disbanded.
You may flame me all you want, the fact is that mining corps are dying. Proof that EvE will change war'dec for alliance, it shows that there is something wrong with war'dec.
-Cute
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.29 07:46:00 -
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There are better ways to make people who use macros unable to use them, some of them are even being worked on as we speak.
The method used by people, known at jet-can minning is not really a "valid" method but its used. The simple solution if you get your ore stolen, is not to mine alone which is far more productive. Clearly "jet-can" minning is effective to say the least, otherwise only people who macro would use it, because its free alternative to secure cans.
If you want to mine alone, you should use secure containers, while you might fill those up faster you don't have to worry about your ore being stolen.
Having a large secure container will not solve anything, it will only create new problems, like others have said make macro mining easier.
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Ishma Nelass
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Posted - 2007.04.29 09:11:00 -
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Secure container mining as it is currently is not viable as a method of mining for the serious miner. A Covetor or hulk almost fills up a huge secure can in a single cycle.
I for one wouldn't mind a larger can that can be anchored, although in order to protect the ore-theft proffession maybe make it so that it is not password protected.
A jet-can sized container would also be great for indy hauling, it has always annoyed me that the huge cans and juuuust to small to be useful for hauling ice. Hauling ice is a pain, anything that alleviates this sore upon my daily life would be welcome.
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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2007.04.29 23:45:00 -
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Secure container mining as it is currently is not viable as a method of mining for the serious miner. A Covetor or hulk almost fills up a huge secure can in a single cycle.
I for one wouldn't mind a larger can that can be anchored, although in order to protect the ore-theft proffession maybe make it so that it is not password protected.
A jet-can sized container would also be great for indy hauling, it has always annoyed me that the huge cans and juuuust to small to be useful for hauling ice. Hauling ice is a pain, anything that alleviates this sore upon my daily life would be welcome.
What about adding a special defensive measure to deter jet can mining theft like a slot on a secure container that can be fitted with any type of weapon except for the heavier types. The largest type of weapon mounted would be a rocket launcher with anti-ship defenser missiles? Or perhaps a weapons jamming system that could be used to jam the attackers targeting system. This defense would only be used of course if a person would open a can to see the contents or if an attacker tried to hack a secure container
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Falacious Micutoe
Minmatar
Forsaken to the Core
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:01:00 -
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macro miners are just scum, our corp are harrassing a group of 4 (including their iteron V) and stealing their ore to use in production, if anyone knows of macro miners in the Domain region let me know in game, we need the ore :)
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Falacious Micutoe
Minmatar
Forsaken to the Core
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dryson Bennington
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Secure container mining as it is currently is not viable as a method of mining for the serious miner. A Covetor or hulk almost fills up a huge secure can in a single cycle.
I for one wouldn't mind a larger can that can be anchored, although in order to protect the ore-theft proffession maybe make it so that it is not password protected.
A jet-can sized container would also be great for indy hauling, it has always annoyed me that the huge cans and juuuust to small to be useful for hauling ice. Hauling ice is a pain, anything that alleviates this sore upon my daily life would be welcome.
What about adding a special defensive measure to deter jet can mining theft like a slot on a secure container that can be fitted with any type of weapon except for the heavier types. The largest type of weapon mounted would be a rocket launcher with anti-ship defenser missiles? Or perhaps a weapons jamming system that could be used to jam the attackers targeting system. This defense would only be used of course if a person would open a can to see the contents or if an attacker tried to hack a secure container
there's always the hacking modules for the passwords
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Stannis Breaker
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:05:00 -
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I would just like to point out the ore thief via cans is still in use. Most Macro miners use their inital corp as protection and of course cannot be wardecc'd. Hence you have 2 options smart bomb them or steal ore and hope for aggro!
Macro miners should be stuffed in a jetcan and shot!!
Stan
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