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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 03:08:06 -
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First time Eve Forums poster here. Be gentle with me
After pursuing a few careers in Eve with various levels of success, I've (finally) stumbled across Incursions. After a week and a bit of Incursion running, I've got a problem in New Eden that I've never had before... I have more ISK than I know what to do with... well, actually not really.
I could always buy another skill injector or find some blingy ship mod that will offer very little performance improvement for the cost, but I'm too cheap to do that. I'm far from "wealthy" in terms of Eve players, and I know it. I'm simply wealthy compared to my former self.
To my problem: I would like to find a person/group that has a reliable reputation at managing and providing returns on investments. An example of such a group would be the New Eden Trade Group (who closed up shop at the end of 2016 if I'm informed correctly).
Any recommendations are appreciated. |
Knag Simner Arsten
Sparkle Pony Inc Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.23 07:10:51 -
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I have two thoughts here.
First thought: sit on the money for a bit. Watch. Listen. Think. (One thing to think about is that better invulns *do* make a difference, especially if you plan to go in first in a TCRC... )
Second thought: you've found a high-income community. You *know* people who have had to deal with the "trouble" you have now. Get to know some of them, and ask! We're even friendly.
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Gavrillo Ferdinand
Franz Ferdinand Retirement Fund
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Posted - 2017.02.23 08:43:10 -
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I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.02.23 08:59:48 -
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Gavrillo Ferdinand wrote:I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc.
Agreed, Incursions are good money, some of the best money you can actually make for IG activity. that being said it isn't SO good that a week and a bit will give you the kind of funds you really need to make money from investing. a bil or two might seem like a lot when you first reach that mark, but not quite the kind of funds you need to make any substantial profit off of 3rd party investments.
you will be much better served in the short term to leverage the isk you do have into improving your incursion fit (increases the isk/hr of everyone in fleet, which gets you invited to fleets faster) or setting up your own income streams. not only is the "barrier to entry" much lower, but you also maintain control over your own funds, which provides greater security, and allows you to liquidate quickly if you need some fast isk. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:18:36 -
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Gavrillo Ferdinand wrote:I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc.
Out of curiousity, if you made a tidy sum investing why not reinvest your profits back with them to repeat the process on a greater scale (greater profits)?
I'm hesitant to get into PI because I've heard it is a lot more effort then it sounds like (not a passive income. Semi-passive at best). And I'd love to get into market trading, but I don't know where to start. The few attempts I've made at it have had me spending time hauling stuff region to region only to have the sales not go through. So I spent a fair bit of time to lose a little bit of ISK (not much). I'm sure if I knew what I was doing, market trading would be a great option though.
Good to hear you had a good experience with investing though. Adds weight to confirming that I want to look into it further. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:28:00 -
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Just keep the ISK for times when you don't habe time to run incursions but want to PVP. Because your Alliance got attacked or whatever. Always good to have a couple of Billons as a backup. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:37:39 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Agreed, Incursions are good money, some of the best money you can actually make for IG activity. that being said it isn't SO good that a week and a bit will give you the kind of funds you really need to make money from investing. a bil or two might seem like a lot when you first reach that mark, but not quite the kind of funds you need to make any substantial profit off of 3rd party investments.
you will be much better served in the short term to leverage the isk you do have into improving your incursion fit (increases the isk/hr of everyone in fleet, which gets you invited to fleets faster) or setting up your own income streams. not only is the "barrier to entry" much lower, but you also maintain control over your own funds, which provides greater security, and allows you to liquidate quickly if you need some fast isk.
You're right! A bill or two DOES seem like a lot!!!
You're also right that I don't have a lot of ISK from my 1.5 weeks of Incursioning, but I still see value in pursuing this now. If I could find an investment opportunity that offered 3% per month return, on a billion ISK investment thats 30million a month. I hear ya, thats not great, but its good enough for me. It will also allow me to start at relatively lower sums of ISK. If the investment fails for whatever reason, I'll lose less. It will give me time to establish a comfort level with the investment before I start pumping large sums of money (that I don't have yet) into it.
Any suggestions on reliable people I could deal with are appreciated.
Thanks Eve community.
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:41:50 -
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William Ormono wrote:If I could find an investment opportunity that offered 3% per month return, on a billion ISK investment thats 30million a month. EVE Museum will have a share sale one week from now, 40 million ISK per share. It's on page 1 here. Dividends have been 3-4% lately, but don't expect them to be more than 3% longterm.
My channel: "Signatures"
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:46:54 -
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Cista2 wrote: EVE Museum will have a share sale one week from now, 40 million ISK per share. It's on page 1 here. Dividends have been 3-4% lately, but don't expect them to be more than 3% longterm.
That's the sort of information I'm after! Sounds like the exact sort of opportunity I'm after.
Thanks for your help! |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 18:46:21 -
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***Update***
I was contacted in game today by The Fukuzawa, CEO of New Eden Trade Group. He told me he no longer deals with public trading, but offered me an opportunity to invest with him on a private basis.
After discussing terms we came to an agreement, being:
Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK Monthly Rate of Return: 3%
I'm excited to work with The Fukuzawa, as he has a reputation of being an honest business man. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little apprehensive though. I'm an Eve player after all, we're a very cautions and suspicious bunch.
Memory and schedule permitting, I will be posting updates weekly/monthly regarding the return of interest payments.
A final update will be given once the account is closed and I will provide my final thoughts on the whole experience.
Taking bets (bragging rights, not ISK) on how many people reply that I got scammed within the next week (ending March 2nd). I'm new to the forums, so I don't know the typical number of readers, but I'm going to guess 15 |
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:17:39 -
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Being a private loan, people won't bother much with predictions :)
My channel: "Signatures"
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:33:59 -
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To any others who are interested, you are better off using your isk to set up your own operations, however if you want a passive return, reach out to me.
! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !
If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.
Thank you, that is all.
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.09 03:06:04 -
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First update
Although it is still early into our agreement, I have now received two weekly interest payments from The Fukuzawa. Both week's payments have been correct and on time (if not a day early).
Stay tuned for the next update. Same rat time, same rat channel. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.09 03:07:22 -
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Cista2 wrote:Being a private loan, people won't bother much with predictions :)
Respect due. You clearly know your forums |
Veyreuth
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.03.13 04:17:01 -
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I don't know how active you are with research... if you're looking to "invest", you can buy a BPO to research. After fully (ME/TE) researched you can sell for a profit. It's kind of like buying a bond... have to wait for it to mature. Something to do if you have a lot of liquid ISK and unused research lines. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.13 18:05:52 -
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Veyreuth wrote:I don't know how active you are with research... if you're looking to "invest", you can buy a BPO to research. After fully (ME/TE) researched you can sell for a profit. It's kind of like buying a bond... have to wait for it to mature. Something to do if you have a lot of liquid ISK and unused research lines.
Good idea. Thanks for the tip and a thumbs up for you!
I've heard of BPO research as an income but I haven't got into it at all so I don't know much about it. I'd usually google it and do some research myself, but I'm feeling lazy right now. Anyone have a link to some useful information to save me looking for it?
Some things I would like to learn: Generally how much profit can it generate in terms of ISK over Time (e.g. 100 Mil per month?) How do you know what price to set your researched BPOs How far do you research your BPOs (me/te) Are certain types of BPOs better to research than others (e.g. T1 Frigs vs. T1 Cruisers vs. T1 Fittings) |
Veyreuth
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.03.14 04:29:07 -
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I've only dabbled, so I can't get too precise. I've researched up frigate BPOs ... 75 day research, 40m profit, so roughly 15-16m per line per month. Run all 10 lines 150-160m passive income. More expensive blueprints will have longer research times... not sure if they're more or less profitable. You can look through contacts to get a feel for where the margins are. Without having researched it, I would guess capital components BPOs and Battleship BPOs would be worth investigating first. |
Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION Axiom Vocation Alliance
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:31:11 -
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William Ormono wrote:***Update***
Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK Monthly Rate of Return: 3%
We're talking 30 mil here / month. That is very easy to do for yourself. Just put some region wide buy orders for a few PVE bs at half the price and then re-sell them for the normal price and you will make many times that 3%... It takes 5 minutes work. Adapt to your region as needed.
Never underestimate people laziness. Here I mean those selling you their ships for half the normal price... I'd rather sink the ISK in that than 3% return, the guy surely makes 10-25% return on your ISK.
I guess if you send him 10 bil and you don't play it's better than nothing. So each to their needs.
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:00:02 -
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Syna Anima wrote:William Ormono wrote:***Update***
Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK Monthly Rate of Return: 3%
We're talking 30 mil here / month. That is very easy to do for yourself. Just put some region wide buy orders for a few PVE bs at half the price and then re-sell them for the normal price and you will make many times that 3%... It takes 5 minutes work. Adapt to your region as needed. Never underestimate people laziness. Here I mean those selling you their ships for half the normal price... I'd rather sink the ISK in that than 3% return, the guy surely makes 10-25% return on your ISK. I guess if you send him 10 bil and you don't play it's better than nothing. So each to their needs.
You have good advice, no doubt there.
So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).
The individual I ended up investing with (The Fukuzawa) was very up front with me that there were better ways for me to grow my ISK. So I didn't go into this with very high profit expectations.
I like you're idea about issuing low regional wide faction BS buy orders. I think I'll give it a try. I'm thinking a lot of people will have the same idea though, so I'm guessing finding a good region to operate in will be difficult. |
Demolishar
United Aggression Corpse Collectors Group
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:42:36 -
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William Ormono wrote: So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).
At least you're honest about grinding rep for your eventual scam I guess. |
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:56:46 -
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Demolishar wrote:William Ormono wrote: So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).
At least you're honest about grinding rep for your eventual scam I guess.
Been playing EVE for 10 years now, on and off. The first 3 years I was criminal. I didnt scam players but I did my fair share of ore theft my fist month, moved onto piracy, then suicide ganking afk players on gates in jita before autodock, among other shadiness. I earned tens of billions of ISK doing this, but when I realized that I was making players quit, I biomassed my criminal toons and focused on the market for all income. The entire time I was criminal, I was also a market guy, and always made many times more ISK in the market than I did ******* other players over.
In EVE, honest ISK is a lot better than criminal ISK. I have been trading with community ISK for almost 6 years now, and have not scammed anyone, and never will.
So eat a bag of boners.
! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !
If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.
Thank you, that is all.
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:28:46 -
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Demolishar wrote:William Ormono wrote: So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).
At least you're honest about grinding rep for your eventual scam I guess.
Well for the time being I'm an investor, so scamming will be tricky
Truth be told, I'm not a scammer nor do I intend on becoming one. But I realize similar words have probably been spoken numerous times in this forum by people, probably often right before they scammed other people. So I'm not expecting anyone to believe me.
I intend on having my actions and conduct speak for me over the course of time. And I expect it will take a long time, but thankfully I'm in no rush. One day the name William Ormono will hopefully be a trusted name in at least some circles within Eve.
Oh, and by the way for anyone who is interested , I have an IPO for corporate shares. Get in on the ground floor while you still can. This baby will take off like a rocket!!! 1 Trillion ISK per share, guaranteed to double in value within a month. Get 'em while they last!!!!! JK! Don't send me ISK (not that anyone would) |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.23 14:01:04 -
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Second Update
One month into the investment and so far everything is still on track. Two more weekly interest payments received over the last two weeks. As before, they were both the correct value and on time. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
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Posted - 2017.03.31 14:01:38 -
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Third Update
Another week's interest payment is now in my coffers. |
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2017.04.03 00:20:49 -
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Yup, paying the same sh***y return to investors for almost 5 years now.
! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !
If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.
Thank you, that is all.
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General Muller
RpG-CONVICTS-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2017.04.03 09:59:59 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote:Yup, paying the same sh***y return to investors for almost 5 years now. Do you have any ideas on how to improve it significantly? |
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2017.04.03 10:03:16 -
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General Muller wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:Yup, paying the same sh***y return to investors for almost 5 years now. Do you have any ideas on how to improve it significantly?
The more I improve it the less ISK in my wallet. Go ahead and share your pearl of wisdom guy...
! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !
If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.
Thank you, that is all.
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General Muller
RpG-CONVICTS-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2017.04.04 08:41:48 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote: The more I improve it the less ISK in my wallet. Go ahead and share your pearl of wisdom guy...
In all seriousness, I keep them realistic so I can keep my end of the deal.
It was actually a serious question, as I am still very inexperienced in investment and market trading, and as OP I am looking to make good ISK to support my account in Omega state. |
Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.04 09:04:40 -
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General Muller wrote:It was actually a serious question, as I am still very inexperienced in investment and market trading, and as OP I am looking to make good ISK to support my account in Omega state. In general, you don't make good ISK by investing in other people. Most traders easily make 10% per month, and upstarts make more than 20-30% per month for themselves by trading. Or any other activity. Investing in others is something you do when you have large amounts of idle ISK, or as a pat on the back to someone.
My channel: "Signatures"
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2017.04.04 09:51:48 -
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Cista2 wrote:General Muller wrote:It was actually a serious question, as I am still very inexperienced in investment and market trading, and as OP I am looking to make good ISK to support my account in Omega state. In general, you don't make good ISK by investing in other people. Most traders easily make 10% per month, and upstarts make more than 20-30% per month for themselves by trading. Or any other activity. Investing in others is something you do when you have large amounts of idle ISK, or as a pat on the back to someone.
Well said
The best advice I can give to you is think outside the box and exercise trial and error. Throw a bunch of **** at the wall and see what sticks. Constantly try new things to uncover more profitable strategies, and discontinue the not so profitable ones. If someone told you about it, there is probably a lot of competition.
When I started eve I ran missions on day one, mined on day two, and then I was like **** this ****, and started stealing ore from jet can miners. I made my first 500 million isk in 2-3 weeks stealing ore. Then I decided i wanted to roll my isk nto the market. Among other things, I set up a bunch of region wide orders for the all the different types of cloaks for 50% of their value, and sold them for full value where ever they landed. I also went to jita and invested hundreds of millions into every type and size of faction missile. Back then i think they all sold from 1000-2000 isk each. I afk auto piloted the missiles in stacks of 2000 to every system on the edge of high/low sec, and put them up on the market for 2-5 and sometimes 10 times the value of what I paid in jita. They sold quickly, and it was almost passive due to next to no competition. 2 months into EVE I was worth 4-5 billion ISK. I didnt read a guide, or talk to anyone, I just thought that maybe these missiles would sell for way more where pvp was more likely to happen, and sure enough they did. That was one of the few things that worked, out of the many things that I tried at the time.
Throw **** at the wall, see what sticks.
! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !
If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.
Thank you, that is all.
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