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Denuo Secus	Posted - 2007.04.27 10:45:00 - [1] Hi all, after comparing the attributes of cruisers und battle cruisers I saw no real benefit of a cruiser except of its lower price! - a cruiser is not _really_ faster (Thorax 180, Myrmidon 145 m/s) because: a cruiser has no spare med slot for an afterburner/mwd - a BC has! - cruisers and BCs have the same shield recharge time - cruisers have (of course) fewer slots, shield, armor, cap My first intention was to see a BC as a long range sniping ship and a cruisers as a hard and fast attacking short range ship. But now I think assault ships are better for this short range job. What are you thinking? -- Secus
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.27 10:51:00 - [2] Thorax is able to run from certain situations that myrmidon isn't able to, sig radius mass speed etc, btw thorax goes 1.7k? and myrm goes 1.2k? with mwd these are off the top of my head here.
Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.04.27 10:55:00 - [3] cruiser = cheap. cruiser = fairly fast + manuverable. cruiser = better firepower than all frigs (dependant on the cruiser.) the only thing is, a bc is a step up from a cruiser. so why the hell shouldnt it be better? And assult frigs do have good manuverablity but for a frig, it just doesnt cut it. and the fact they cost more than a tier 1 bc and can be popped by a properly fitted cruiser. yes i fly an ishkur, but if i find a good target i have to be careful simply because if their smart you might just get screwed over massivly. in short. BC = bigger, more firepower, slowish. Cruiser = cheap, good firepower, as fast or faster than most afs unfortunately. AF = fun, nice firepower, more manuverable than a cruiser.
Ishanda Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.27 10:57:00 - [4] Cruisers are cheap enough to be expendable for most players, so thats why they're used a lot. Also all the bonuses mentioned above - faster, more maneuvrable etc. Also you get specialised ewar cruisers like Blackbird, Arbitrator etc which you don't get in BC form.
Ricky Baby The Kennels	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:01:00 - [5] cruisers are no worse and no better than BC's when will people in this game see that each ship has a role and there is no "best" (okie maybe i lie a bit), cruisers are much faster/agil, often cheaper and in certain cases do more damage than BC's. BC's often have a bigger tank but that is offset that battleships can hit the things where a cruiser will normally not take as much damage. and to you comment - some BC's do snipe (ferox) some are more powerful in close range (brutix). -------------------------------------
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.27 11:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Denuo Secus Hi all, after comparing the attributes of cruisers und battle cruisers I saw no real benefit of a cruiser except of its lower price! - a cruiser is not _really_ faster (Thorax 180, Myrmidon 145 m/s) because: a cruiser has no spare med slot for an afterburner/mwd - a BC has! What are you thinking? -- Secus A few things, but mostly that you shouldn't post on EvE forums before you understand the game. Ok, firstly: The amount of med slots you have is not really dependant on your ship class, but on your race, and indeed on the ship itself. Secondly, I've not seen a thorax without a mwd for a very long time. 3 mids for mwd / web / scram, I'm not sure what other mod you are deeming more important than the mwd but you're wrong, whatever it is. Thirdly, a cruiser is indeed cheaper than a battlecruiser. This is a large advantage. Fourthly, cruisers are massively more agile than battlecruisers. I will jump around blind in 0.0 in my rupture and usually get away with it. I wouldn't try that in a cyclone. And lastly, a speed difference of 180 to 145 translates as about 25% faster. Add to this the fact that there is no mwd size between cruiser and battleship and that battlecruisers mass considerably more than cruisers, and you are left with the fact that BCs are considerably slower than cruisers with similar fittings, about half to 2/3rds the speed. I can only conclude that you, sir, know nothing about what you have posted and should refrain from starting further threads until you have perhaps flown the odd battlecruiser in eve. sgb
Sedai Hara Caldari The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2007.04.27 12:58:00 - [7] When 2 t1 fitted cruisers can take down something worth over 200 mil. they are hardely underpowered. Every1 can fly a cruiser realy. and most peaple do it good too. So if 5 guys get into a cruiser each, are good pvpers to start amd know what they are doing. There is no ISK investment to save you exept maybe a ransom if they jump you. A pack of celestis and arbitrators are REALY nasty, same for thorax and ruppies. And the fact they are fast, cheap, easy obtained even in deep 0.0 makes htem ideal for this game. So why you complain about a feature? sure if something costs 2-3 times as much its better. For obvious reasons. Originally by: Tuxford Speed is fun and all but this is getting silly, yes we are addressing it, yes I have a blog coming about it. 2007-02-05 end of the nano-era
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:11:00 - [8] Cheap, versatile, good mobility, reasonable damage output. What's not to like?
Xtreem Gallente Fire Mandrill Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:17:00 - [9] an older player in a cruiser (a non ew one) can take down a younger player in a BC, or a older non pvp char is a BC, i used to do it alot down in old MHC
Sedai Hara Caldari The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Xtreem an older player in a cruiser (a non ew one) can take down a younger player in a BC, or a older non pvp char is a BC, i used to do it alot down in old MHC replace young BC pilot for a middle aged BS pilot and your on it. Have seen my corp mates solo Ravens and blasterthrons in their plateraxes. dont ask me how they did it. but they killed hte BSes. SOLO IN A CRUISER. its all down to pilot skill on both ends. So its all about the pilot. just because you can fly a tier 2 Battlecruiser doesnt mean your good. Nor if you ahve the t2 equipment. all comes down to the pilot in the end. (oh btw, MHC rocks for good kills and good pvp \o/) Originally by: Tuxford Speed is fun and all but this is getting silly, yes we are addressing it, yes I have a blog coming about it. 2007-02-05 end of the nano-era
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:26:00 - [11] Originally by: smallgreenblur A few things, but mostly that you shouldn't post on EvE forums before you understand the game. ..... I can only conclude that you, sir, know nothing about what you have posted and should refrain from starting further threads until you have perhaps flown the odd battlecruiser in eve. sgb Ok granted, maybe I should post such questions in New Citizens Q&A .... but till now I thought this forum is for asking questions und discussing opinions. But thanks for your advice. Anyway. Recapitulating all your posts - I didn't consider sig radius and ship agility! And - for sure - the price _is_ an argument. Thanks for your replies! -- Secus
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:30:00 - [12] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 27/04/2007 13:29:45 Originally by: Denuo Secus after comparing the attributes of cruisers und battle cruisers I saw no real benefit of a cruiser except of its lower price!-- Secus What you said - lower price. A Caracal should be able to kill most mining barges, and insurance premium included you won't loose more than 1.5 mil if you loose the ship even at an unfavourable price situation (assuming all tech I fittings). Its the small man's PvP ship if you don't entirely suck at picking your battles. Edit: you might even get away cheaper and/or have a better ship with other cruisers, the caracal is just an example from top of my head. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 13:33:00 - [13] We have a pilot in our alliance that can make you wish that you never saw another Vexor ever again. Sure, they might get popped, but flown correctly, in combo with good skills and mods, a cruiser can provides an effective and fun EvE experience!
Countess NotFarOut2	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Countess NotFarOut2 on 27/04/2007 15:15:45 Smallgreenblur, Maybe you should follow up on your own advise? With a setup you describe you can be scruwed 3 different ways. Since you don't know if OP talks about PvE or PvP situation, you cannot give him good advise. The amount of mid-slots NOT depended on shipclass?! With some exceptions, the bigger the ships, the more slots you have. Better post about things you know something about... An MWD is NOT an I-win module, don't know why you suggest that. What would happen to your Thorax if you meet some1 with 25% more CAP than you? Suckers? Cheaper than a BC? At some point in the game money is not an issue anymore; 5 mil or 35 mil, who cares? Have you thought about advantages of a BC? Especcially when you are in a gang? I can only conclude that you, sir, know nothing about what you have posted and should refrain from responding in further threads until you have perhaps flown the odd battlecruiser in eve...
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:22:00 - [15] Replacing cruisers is trivial, battlecruisers take a bit of an effort. That's it mostly. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:02:00 - [16] wtb Amarr Drone and/or E-WAR BC and Caldari E-WAR BC There are some cruisers that just don't have a counterpart at BC level. Nothing in the Amarr line up bigger than a cruiser can do what the Arb and its T2 variants do to and equal or better level. - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Bror Jace Gallente Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 Lot of rubbish You are wrong. SGB is right. That is that. Oh, you want clarification? Sorry - Amount of mids is NOT dependent on ship size. Take this example - Armageddon is a BS and has 3 mids. A blackbird is a cruiser and has 6. Want to stick to just amarr? The arbitrator is an amarr cruiser, and even it has 4 mids. LMAO at your thorax example, "What would happen to your Thorax if you meet some1 with 25% more CAP than you? Suckers?" Originally by: Thorax description Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 5% less penalty to max capacitor for MicroWarpdrive usage per level. . Fitting an mwd to a rax does not give 25% reduction in total cap. SGB might have had a bit of a grumpy tone but what he wrote is correct. Nub alts like you shouldn't smack if you don't know any better.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:12:00 - [18] 1 Cruiser equals 15-30min of rating 1 BC is 2 or 3 hours of ratting (both including fottings) Cruisers willbe primaried way after the BCs :)\ Cruiser warp out way faster (compare a stabber with any BC) If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Tonny Jr	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 An MWD is NOT an I-win module, don't know why you suggest that. What would happen to your Thorax if you meet some1 with 25% more CAP than you? Suckers? I thought the bonus of the Thorax was no cap penalty from using MWD (assuming gallente cruiser V) ? If so, the Thorax was probably not the best ship to use as an example in this context. :)
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Tonny Jr Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 An MWD is NOT an I-win module, don't know why you suggest that. What would happen to your Thorax if you meet some1 with 25% more CAP than you? Suckers? I thought the bonus of the Thorax was no cap penalty from using MWD (assuming gallente cruiser V) ? If so, the Thorax was probably not the best ship to use as an example in this context. :) LOL OWNED! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:41:00 - [21] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 27/04/2007 16:38:57 Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 Idiocy I would refute your points, but at least two other people have already cut you off at the ankles. I refer you to my above post about playing eve before you post about it, especially if you want to get into an e-peen competition with yours truly Edit: I feel slightly bad about being grumpy to the OP. sgb
zwerg mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 17:56:00 - [22] im flying them to answer with such cool speakings to threads like that... serious: cruiser > af/inty/sumtimes bc then: cheap, easy to skill ( med t2 weap, sumtimes only small ( i.e rax )) cruiser V some support. easy to replace, agil, pwnage bbq, women cokpit, weed, uhm, nah i think u got the point :O ... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:48:00 - [23] cruisers are the most fun [center] Old blog
Countess NotFarOut2	Posted - 2007.04.28 12:12:00 - [24] Quote: ...but at least two other people have already cut you off at the ankles. I think you are right and I stand corrected. Comes from only playing Galente. At least you give some sort of excuse to the OP about your impolite answer, which was my main motivation.
The Kris	Posted - 2007.04.28 13:50:00 - [25] Edited by: The Kris on 28/04/2007 13:49:26 Edited by: The Kris on 28/04/2007 13:47:43 Edited by: The Kris on 28/04/2007 13:47:25 Wow you totally missed the point. Well firstly cruisers are cheap easily replacable and they¦re awesome. Don¦t even get me started on assault frigs cause they are so bad that i wouldn¦t know where to begin to describe how bad they are except that vs web he¦s roasted. Also the cruiser has better agility and radius. Ofc the bc is better what do you think you¦r paying 20 mils more for it but a thorax with heavy tank, full rack of guns and cap booster, scrambler and mwd is just plain deadly. And it does make a difference the speed when you¦ve turned you¦re mwd on. The number of slots depends on ship and race but a mwd is a must + scrambler and a web or cap booster. What were you gonna use i ask?
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Countess NotFarOut2 Edited by: Countess NotFarOut2 on 27/04/2007 15:15:45 Smallgreenblur, Maybe you should follow up on your own advise? With a setup you describe you can be scruwed 3 different ways. Since you don't know if OP talks about PvE or PvP situation, you cannot give him good advise. The amount of mid-slots NOT depended on shipclass?! With some exceptions, the bigger the ships, the more slots you have. Better post about things you know something about... An MWD is NOT an I-win module, don't know why you suggest that. What would happen to your Thorax if you meet some1 with 25% more CAP than you? Suckers? Cheaper than a BC? At some point in the game money is not an issue anymore; 5 mil or 35 mil, who cares? Have you thought about advantages of a BC? Especcially when you are in a gang? I can only conclude that you, sir, know nothing about what you have posted and should refrain from responding in further threads until you have perhaps flown the odd battlecruiser in eve... You fail, go back to wow _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Leikung	Posted - 2007.04.30 07:44:00 - [27] My black heart is warmed. I thought I was the only dedicated crusier pilot around.
Durok Torn Minmatar Red Eclipse Inc. The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.04.30 21:50:00 - [28] I am a pretty good BS pilot by now, but in PVP, it is stabber for me! it is a great heavy scout, amazing speed, OK damage, and fun to fly. When their isn't an inty to do the job, I am the one ****ing into systems to scout and tackling. When i fly BCs, they tend to die. When I fly a cruiser, I tend to kill things, and have more fun doing it! Plus, I am more thn happy to sacrifice my cruisers to hold soemthing long enough for my buddies to warp in and kill it. I loose 4-5 mil isk max. Replacing a full BS is a LOT more than that, and suddenyl I am reluctant to die. KAMAKAZI! That is why i love cruisers.

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