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![BABARR BABARR](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1135675451/portrait?size=64)
BABARR
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:12:00 -
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Just to show to CCP what some ppl do (all the day) whith some mother ship. Just want to point a thing who is a problem. We simply cant scramble a mother ship in low sec, and bumping tactic are too hasardous to be tried. And the named smart bomb are a problem too, they pop all small ship during the lag time we have when we warp on a gate.
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![Captain Hudson Captain Hudson](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1070205945/portrait?size=64)
Captain Hudson
Caldari Sabre Inc Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:14:00 -
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walking in stations and new content comes first before fixing things like this didn't u know!![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:32:00 -
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Cap ships really should not be able to use smartbombs at all I think. They take away from one of their drawbacks which is long targetting times. If not take them away then they should be able to only fit cap ship sized smarties which hammer their cap mercilessly (as SBs do to most ships). Makes sense too...consider how big a cap ship is. Should take more power to pop off a SB around a ship that is 12km long (or whatever they are...bigger than the range of an SB though).
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![Viridian Onyx Viridian Onyx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/237495954/portrait?size=64)
Viridian Onyx
Minmatar Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:53:00 -
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So let me get this straight...
You lost a shuttle to a Nyx with a Smartbomb?
Why the hell were you close enough to get SB'd if you know they can use SBs?
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Viridian Onyx
Why the hell were you close enough to get SB'd if you know they can use SBs?
Can't speak for the OP but the common method is for the Mothership to sit on top of the gate and smartbomb people as they warp to zero. IIRC they can pop cruisers and smaller like this almost everytime. Not sure how BCs fare...guessing they would probably live if they jump right away.
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![dalman dalman](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148709186/portrait?size=64)
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR And the named smart bomb are a problem too, they pop all small ship during the lag time we have when we warp on a gate.
Yea, ghad forbid that anyone engage brain and use the scanner to see that his sitting at the gate to smartbomb ppl![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
![Viridian Onyx Viridian Onyx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/237495954/portrait?size=64)
Viridian Onyx
Minmatar Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Yea, ghad forbid that anyone engage brain and use the scanner to see that his sitting at the gate to smartbomb ppl![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Q. F. T.
Those who do not use their scanner in low sec are simply begging to hear their ship go *pop*.
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Originally by: BABARR And the named smart bomb are a problem too, they pop all small ship during the lag time we have when we warp on a gate.
Yea, ghad forbid that anyone engage brain and use the scanner to see that his sitting at the gate to smartbomb ppl![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Except there is nothing you can do versus this. Even if you see him at the gate you cannot get by. Just dock or SS and quit EVE till he leaves?
Or do you consider calling up a sufficient force to run a Mothership off (cuz no way you will kill it no matter what you show with) a viable option? "Hey guys, can't play so everyone drop what you are doing, find your combat ships, assemble, fly over here, scare mothership off so I can warp through gate then go back to what you were doing." ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![VanNostrum VanNostrum](https://images.evetech.net/characters/586300420/portrait?size=64)
VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Originally by: BABARR And the named smart bomb are a problem too, they pop all small ship during the lag time we have when we warp on a gate.
Yea, ghad forbid that anyone engage brain and use the scanner to see that his sitting at the gate to smartbomb ppl![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
how can you scan other side of the gate? (ie another system)
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum how can you scan other side of the gate? (ie another system)
He gets people warping in to the gate. Generally not those leaving it. So you can scan ahead to the gate you are travelling to.
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![Viridian Onyx Viridian Onyx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/237495954/portrait?size=64)
Viridian Onyx
Minmatar Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: BABARR And the named smart bomb are a problem too, they pop all small ship during the lag time we have when we warp on a gate.
Yea, ghad forbid that anyone engage brain and use the scanner to see that his sitting at the gate to smartbomb ppl![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Except there is nothing you can do versus this. Even if you see him at the gate you cannot get by. Just dock or SS and quit EVE till he leaves?
Or do you consider calling up a sufficient force to run a Mothership off (cuz no way you will kill it no matter what you show with) a viable option? "Hey guys, can't play so everyone drop what you are doing, find your combat ships, assemble, fly over here, scare mothership off so I can warp through gate then go back to what you were doing." ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I don't know what you people do when there's a gate camp, then. Should CCP "fix" all low sec areas so nobody can camp? The risk of flying in lowsec is that there's a good chance you're going to get the PEWPEWs comin' at you.
If a Nyx wants to sit at the gate and pop noobs, well, it's their 25b ISK.
Besides, it's not like there's a lot of them.
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![MissileRus MissileRus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/898428769/portrait?size=64)
MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:15:00 -
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how many nos/nuke ships is needed to make a suprice jump and prevent a MS from warping? get it and some DPS and problem solved or not?
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 28/04/2007 00:12:02
Originally by: Viridian Onyx I don't know what you people do when there's a gate camp, then. Should CCP "fix" all low sec areas so nobody can camp? The risk of flying in lowsec is that there's a good chance you're going to get the PEWPEWs comin' at you.
If a Nyx wants to sit at the gate and pop noobs, well, it's their 25b ISK.
Besides, it's not like there's a lot of them.
Mustering a force to run off a camp of 3-5 pirates in battlecruisers/battleships is MUCH easier than mustering a force to run off a mothership (requires more people). With the 3-5 pirates a fun fight might ensue. With a mothership at best it'll run away till you leave as there is no reasonable means of stopping it (likely he'll see the gank squad coming anyway and just safespot). So essentially you need to muster a large force, have them run over to wherever this is to make the MS safespot for a few minutes till you clear the gate.
What's more I have a chance at running the camp of 3-5 pirates in normal ships. Might make it, might not but I can do things to get a shot at it. Nothing you can do to run a SBing mothership parked at a gate short of finding yourself a BC/battleship and tanking it to make that run (which may not be an option depending where your stuff is).
EDIT: An yeah, not a whole lot of them at the moment but over time that number will only increase.
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![dalman dalman](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148709186/portrait?size=64)
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.28 00:40:00 -
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First off, it's a 25B camp. It's not a 60-200M camp. (=some BS + support @ price-insurance)
Second, it's not really extremely hard to kill a mom. Say you jump in 10 battleships on him, each of them fitting something like 4x nos + 2x neut + 1-2x remote repairers. Already by the 2:nd neut cycle, he will be too low on cap to jump out. So, within 30 seconds he can't jump (lock time + 24s cycle). By then he's dead. Well, you'll need some damage dealing to arrive once you've got him pinned down.
The challange of course, is to catch him not immediately running (or spotting you with alts). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Second, it's not really extremely hard to kill a mom.
How many motherships have gone down to date? Two? Three? And those were in 0.0 with massive fleets and dictor bubbles and such.
Methinks MS are pretty damn safe overall and low sec motherships especially so.
I agre at 25 billion they should not be a pushover and take a concerted effort to kill but they should not be untouchable solopwnmobiles either.
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![BABARR BABARR](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1135675451/portrait?size=64)
BABARR
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Posted - 2007.04.28 01:48:00 -
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I don't know what you people do when there's a gate camp, then. Should CCP "fix" all low sec areas so nobody can camp? The risk of flying in lowsec is that there's a good chance you're going to get the PEWPEWs comin' at you.
The problem is a MS can't be TACKLED in low sec area, its simply a BIG flying WCS.
"Why the hell were you close enough to get SB'd if you know they can use SBs?" It's simply cause to take a gate you NEED to get close to the gate :), and whith named/officier smart you can smart the area around the gate (you can't active a smart closer than 5000m, so the ship go at 5500m and whith officier smartbomb you have a really decent area to pop ship who are downloading the gate area) Your ship can be hit by a smartbomb when your ship can't be locked yet.
"Besides, it's not like there's a lot of them." Not yet, but it's like nanoship, don't wait to see load of it to do something.
"Second, it's not really extremely hard to kill a mom. Say you jump in 10 battleships on him, each of them fitting something like 4x nos + 2x neut + 1-2x remote repairers. Already by the 2:nd neut cycle, he will be too low on cap to jump out. So, within 30 seconds he can't jump (lock time + 24s cycle). By then he's dead. Well, you'll need some damage dealing to arrive once you've got him pinned down." Uh. He still can warpout.
"If a Nyx wants to sit at the gate and pop noobs, well, it's their 25b ISK" True. But the noob who is poped by a BS can say himself : i can have a BS in 4 or 5 month, wait and see. But when he's poped by a MS what did he think?
Be sure i dont loss ship against this kind of gate camp, but i find it's a shame to have lamer who can pop ppl in a big ship who can't be tackled in low sec area. To see some ppl using capital ship to poping shutlle.
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![dalman dalman](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148709186/portrait?size=64)
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.28 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Methinks MS are pretty damn safe overall and low sec motherships especially so.
low-sec moms that are camping gates are by game-mechanics alot more vulnerable than those used in 0.0
But they are in practise still safer, because the powers that could "easily" kill them can't be arsed to travel all the way to low-sec.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
![dalman dalman](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148709186/portrait?size=64)
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.28 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR Uh. He still can warpout.
No, since you'll be bumping him. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
![BABARR BABARR](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1135675451/portrait?size=64)
BABARR
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Posted - 2007.04.28 02:00:00 -
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Ahah, so you are going to move a little fleet, take the risk to loss some BS, make a plan, ect, and say to your gang "don't miss one bump during all the fight (whith drones, fighters, lag, ect) or this big **** going to warpout". Is it a joke ?
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![HaiMyNameIsBlindMan HaiMyNameIsBlindMan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1450016668/portrait?size=64)
HaiMyNameIsBlindMan
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Posted - 2007.04.28 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR Ahah, so you are going to move a little fleet, take the risk to loss some BS, make a plan, ect, and say to your gang "don't miss one bump during all the fight (whith drones, fighters, lag, ect) or this big **** going to warpout". Is it a joke ?
I would say no because it is the second biggest ship in the game and yeah its gonna take a lot of work to kill? some people..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![BABARR BABARR](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1135675451/portrait?size=64)
BABARR
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Posted - 2007.04.28 02:55:00 -
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"I would say no because it is the second biggest ship in the game and yeah its gonna take a lot of work to kill? some people.."
Yup, and its going to be harder to kill in low sec systeme than in 0,0. And you are going to tell me it's logic.
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![HaiMyNameIsBlindMan HaiMyNameIsBlindMan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1450016668/portrait?size=64)
HaiMyNameIsBlindMan
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Posted - 2007.04.28 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR "I would say no because it is the second biggest ship in the game and yeah its gonna take a lot of work to kill? some people.."
Yup, and its going to be harder to kill in low sec systeme than in 0,0. And you are going to tell me it's logic.
what ISN'T harder to kill in low sec than 0.0 ?
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![Imperator Jora'h Imperator Jora'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/123372088/portrait?size=64)
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.28 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 28/04/2007 03:47:41
Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Methinks MS are pretty damn safe overall and low sec motherships especially so.
low-sec moms that are camping gates are by game-mechanics alot more vulnerable than those used in 0.0
No bubbles in low sec so in practice the Mom is much safer in low sec despite other game mechanics arrayed against it.
Can you imagine a Mom soloing in 0.0? Or, put a better way, would you risk your 25 billion Mothership in 0.0 camping a gate by yourself?
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![dalman dalman](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148709186/portrait?size=64)
dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h No bubbles in low sec so in practice the Mom is much safer in low sec despite other game mechanics arrayed against it.
Can you imagine a Mom soloing in 0.0? Or, put a better way, would you risk your 25 billion Mothership in 0.0 camping a gate by yourself?
No!
Here's the deal. Mothership radius + 10km officer smartbomb radius > 20km bubble radius. Any bubble that can stop the MS from warping can be smartbombed by said MS. Which renders bubbling useless. All supercapital killing, be it in lowsec or 0.0, is based on bumping + cap draining.
And I would not sit like that. That's the type of risky behaviour solo which has caused 2 of the 3 MS kills in 0.0. But like I said above, ppl obviously dare to do it in lowsec.
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![Rod Blaine Rod Blaine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/240239798/portrait?size=64)
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:45:00 -
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You need to identify his cynoalt and locate the station it's at. It'll be in a system within jump range, docked or sitting outside a station, in a noobcorp, with a rather obvious cynoship.
Find it, put two ships there that can kill it extremely quickly, and only then spring your trap on his gate.
Good chance it won't work, but fair chance it will. If it does, he won't be back for a fair while, and you'll have killed the fourth MS in Eve.
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