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Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 02:09:00 - [1] (no special implants for me :( ) High 3 TE Standard missile launchers (cant use tech 2 ) Mid 1 named MWD (the catalyst one or whateve1 20km warp scramble 1 Webber 1 warp scrambler 20km Low 2 Tech 2 overdrive injectors 1 Tech 2 nanofiber I can only got 5200m/s Fastest Ive seen a crow is like 8500 m/s what do you guys fit yours with, how fast can you go, what implants do you use for the speed and how fast do you go without the implants?
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 02:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 02:22:06 Yay, crow e-peen thread... Angelus X, come here! As for myself... 3x arby standard gistii a-type mwd, true sansha warp disruptor, sensor booster II overdrive II, 2x beta cpr's 2x mass reduction rigs LG/HG mixed snakes... A bit over 11km without gang, close to 17km with battlecruiser with skirmish warfare mod + mindlink. Haven't tested with a claymore. Oh btw, it's possible to go faster if I drop one of the cpr's, but I prefer running scram+mwd forever outside of nos range, it kinda comes in handy often... Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Eternal Light Caldari Global Solutions	Posted - 2007.04.28 03:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Eternal Light on 28/04/2007 03:47:44 My Crow setup : 3x Arby standard 1x mwd Gistii, 1x cap recharger II, 1x Scramble II 2x Overdrive II, 1x better named Cap power relay 2X rigs mass reduction Speed : 9500 m/sec (no snake implant) EDIT : just 2 implants 3% boost speed of ab/mwd and 1 5%
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 02:22:06 Yay, crow e-peen thread... Angelus X, come here! As for myself... 3x arby standard gistii a-type mwd, true sansha warp disruptor, sensor booster II overdrive II, 2x beta cpr's 2x mass reduction rigs LG/HG mixed snakes... A bit over 11km without gang, close to 17km with battlecruiser with skirmish warfare mod + mindlink. Haven't tested with a claymore. Oh btw, it's possible to go faster if I drop one of the cpr's, but I prefer running scram+mwd forever outside of nos range, it kinda comes in handy often... why not fit 2 overdrives and 1 nano, ud go even faster.. im not sure how u go 11km/s with just 1 overdrive and a MWD... doesnt sound right, those implants u got must own
BlackHawk177 Zer0 ToLeRaNcE Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:32:00 - [5] 3x arby standard (or 2x t2 and 1x arby) gistii a-type mwd, true sansha warp disruptor, cap recharger (usually true sansha) 2x overdrive II or domination, true sansha cap relay 2x mass reduction rigs lg snakes minus the gamma/omega, plus other speed implants 11.7km out of gang, 12.9 in gang (without any command ships) haven't been in a gang with a command ship running stuff yet
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:49:00 - [6] Edited by: Atalius Vinelgo on 28/04/2007 07:46:57 why do u guys use cap power relays over a nanofibers and cap rechargers over a webber? (sorry im a newb crow pilot :)) what are u guys doing in ur crow? right now i do not go out by myself in my crow, i cant kill anyone cause im a wuss, i strictly am a scout/tackler that is all.. is this u guys setup for that? or is that ur setup for solo pvp? explain in as much detail as possible please
Teh Supah Thorku	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:55:00 - [7] with mwd u will gain more speed from nanos than from overdrives
BlackHawk177 Zer0 ToLeRaNcE Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Teh Supah with mwd u will gain more speed from nanos than from overdrives Not when you have 2 mass reduction rigs on, the stacking penalty makes it so you're better off using overdrives. Now, My crow is mainly used in solo pvp. Usually only take it into 1vs1's or 2vs1's I know I can win. Why we don't use a webber is b/c putting a paper-thin ship that relies on speed to survive into range to be slowed down is just suicidal. Also Cap relay over the nanofiber b/c of the stacking penalty, and b/c a disruptor and mwd use up a lot of cap; and you can't permarun the setup without it Ryysa, Can probably add a little more to this too.
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:34:00 - [9] Originally by: BlackHawk177 Originally by: Teh Supah with mwd u will gain more speed from nanos than from overdrives Not when you have 2 mass reduction rigs on, the stacking penalty makes it so you're better off using overdrives. Now, My crow is mainly used in solo pvp. Usually only take it into 1vs1's or 2vs1's I know I can win. Why we don't use a webber is b/c putting a paper-thin ship that relies on speed to survive into range to be slowed down is just suicidal. Also Cap relay over the nanofiber b/c of the stacking penalty, and b/c a disruptor and mwd use up a lot of cap; and you can't permarun the setup without it Ryysa, Can probably add a little more to this too. wow thanks a lot for helping me out there man! yea, i understand u now, cause last night we went out and i webbed/scrammed a domi and he just used his NOS and sucked me dry of cap and i was then useless and had to run off.. so i should just use scram with cap booster, roger that to the other guy who said id gain more speed with 2 nanos, that is incorrect, i tried 2 nanos and i was like 400m/s slower, maybe more i cant remember but the 2 overdrives and 1 nano made me go the fastest, i tried 3 overdrives and that was no good either, but i believe ill go with these pros here and put on 2 overdrives and a cap relay then on mids a mwd, scram, and a cap charger.. they make sense now :) when u are scramming someone do you orbit them at 15km? ive tried orbiting at 20km and i always seem to get like 21km away from them sometime in that orbit and it screw up my scram any other hints and strategy in tackling/pvping in a crow would help a lot!! :))
BlackHawk177 Zer0 ToLeRaNcE Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:40:00 - [10] Biggest investment for a Crow is a 24km+ warp disruptor. The gistii and the rigs are all well and good, but the longer range disruptor is a lifesaver sometimes.
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 09:08:00 - [11] yea roger that bro, how much do you spend on all your fittings total? how often do you die? (Im guessing not that often, hard for me to get killed and im a newb) also if you did use a 20km scram, how would you effectively scram them? do you orbit at 15km? do you have your MWD on while orbiting them? all in all, im wanting to know your standard method of tackling/killing someone cause my friends was makin fun of me cause i was having such a hard time tackling some folks hehe
Helpdesk Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 10:57:00 - [12] Thank god everyone is flying light-missile crows. Rocket Launcher IIs have never been cheaper.
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:12:00 - [13] nice name btw, im working helpdesk nights right now :) why dont u answer some of the questions above eh? instead of just posting no helpful information..? anywho, why do u use rockets over light missiles? never seen this done in a crow...
Helpdesk Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:19:00 - [14] Edited by: Helpdesk on 28/04/2007 11:15:16 Linkage There you go.
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:52:00 - [15] thanks, ill check it out, u have a lot of abbreviations in ur post that i dont know wtf they are though lol
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 13:37:00 - [16] With 2x cpr you can run mwd+scram forever. Alternatively, you can also run them forever if you fit 1 cpr and 1 cap recharger in mid. However, the sensor booster is very useful, prevents you from having to re-lock all the time at those speeds. Also, in gang it does around 13. If you have ever flown a ceptor at this speed, you'll realize that having permamwd+scrambler is more important than 1k/s more speed, as you can tackle anything bigger than a cruiser that warps in at upto 150km before it turns around. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:34:00 - [17] nano-cap recharger crows.... some of the worst Crow setups I've ever laid my eyes on. What a waste of useful rig slots. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Leon 026 nano-cap recharger crows.... some of the worst Crow setups I've ever laid my eyes on. What a waste of useful rig slots. Orly. Well, that's not very constructive. And rocketcrows with flight time rigs suck. This ship is supposed to tackle, not do damage, we have vagabonds these days you know. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Leon 026 on 28/04/2007 15:42:50 Yes, and you can always use cap relays to sustain the cap, with a web to actually tackle things at gates. With the amount of money being spent on OD IIs, Nano IIs, and polycarbs for a tackle-ceptor with zero dogfighting capability (especially on those with t1 named launchers), a raptor would do a far far better job with its superior targetting speed and warp speed - not to mention with the double poly and nano/OD, the weight difference between crow and raptor would hardly become noticeable, if using the same polycarb-cap recharger setup. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:48:00 - [20] sabre: 7 200mm AC II, bubblemaker MWD II, web, 20k, MSE II 2 overdrive II 2 mass reduction rigs thats my best crow killing setup
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:01:00 - [21] Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 15:58:14 Originally by: Leon 026 Yes, and you can always use cap relays to sustain the cap, with a web to actually tackle things at gates. With the amount of money being spent on OD IIs, Nano IIs, and polycarbs for a tackle-ceptor with zero dogfighting capability (especially on those with t1 named launchers), a raptor would do a far far better job with its superior targetting speed and warp speed - not to mention with the double poly and nano/OD, the weight difference between crow and raptor would hardly become noticeable, if using the same polycarb-cap recharger setup. Well, to web stuff at gate you use... huginn or double sensor boosted rapier these days, crow just has to get the point on stuff. And I don't disagree, ares/raptor/crusader are just as good as crow for zoom zoom orbiting with 1 point on. But you don't go into webrange with an expensive ceptor and snakes, you just don't, it's retarded. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Leon 026 on 28/04/2007 16:09:14 Originally by: Ryysa Well, to web stuff at gate you use... huginn or double sensor boosted rapier these days, crow just has to get the point on stuff. And I don't disagree, ares/raptor/crusader are just as good as crow for zoom zoom orbiting with 1 point on. But you don't go into webrange with an expensive ceptor and snakes, you just don't, it's retarded. I'm not going to say that the 4th Generation ZoomZoomÖ Crow is a bad setup, because it obviously works with some people, but I'm going to have to express disappointment that a specialized setup is becomming the new "cookie cutter" crow (much like the previous plated rocket crow). It'll work with the best pilots with the specific skillsets... but honestly, on the lower skilled pilots, that setup becomes a miserable failure (because the better pilots can actually get out with their high speed, a 6km/s crow without the same setup with the snake / gistii investment.... ) ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 17:02:25 Well, I just mean that, with the introduction of minmatar recon ships, having web on inties is kinda pointless... And with lower skillset/isk investment a LMS crow has a lot higher survivability rate than rocket crow... Basically, if you die with a ceptor fitted to fight outside webrange while tackling a bigger target you pretty much suck. (Unless it was a minmatar recon, or something else anti-ceptor). It's so easy to doubleclick in space when you see your cap die and boat out of range on the remainder of the mwd cycle, then warp.... I think that the days when ceptors were used as damage dealer are pretty much over, there are many other ships (vagabond, speedhuginn, speedishtar, speedcurse etc) that can do the same thing much better. Interceptors for me only hold a niche as fast scouts and tacklers with incredible lock speed. They are needed, but you don't need more than 2 good inty pilots in a medium sized gang usually. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:18:00 - [24] Can you actually kill stuff solo with those because by the look of it my punisher could tank them.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Morreia Can you actually kill stuff solo with those because by the look of it my punisher could tank them. Yeah, punisher could tank long enough to move back to a gate etc. It's not meant to kill stuff solo... If you want to kill stuff solo I recommend neutron blaster taranis, or plated rocket crow. Realize that a ceptor can't kill much solo... Soloing with ceptor is more expensive and less rewarding than soloing with a stabber or thorax for example. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Morreia Can you actually kill stuff solo with those because by the look of it my punisher could tank them. Yeah, punisher could tank long enough to move back to a gate etc. It's not meant to kill stuff solo... If you want to kill stuff solo I recommend neutron blaster taranis, or plated rocket crow. Realize that a ceptor can't kill much solo... Soloing with ceptor is more expensive and less rewarding than soloing with a stabber or thorax for example. I was thinking more along the lines of tanking permantly, its just some ppl we're saying they take theirs into 1 vs 1's. I would have though soloing in any cetpor is pretty stupid apart from killing haulers cost most of the teir 3 frigs could beat most ceptors.
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 17:03:38 Well, I just mean that, with the introduction of minmatar recon ships, having web on inties is kinda pointless... And with lower skillset/isk investment a LMS crow has a lot higher survivability rate than rocket crow... Basically, if you die with a ceptor fitted to fight outside webrange while tackling a bigger target you pretty much suck. (Unless it was a minmatar recon, or something else anti-ceptor). It's so easy to doubleclick in space when you see your cap die and boat out of range on the remainder of the mwd cycle, then warp.... I think that the days when ceptors were used as damage dealer are pretty much over, there are many other ships (vagabond, speedhuginn, speedishtar, speedcurse etc) that can do the same thing much better. Interceptors for me only hold a niche as fast scouts and tacklers with incredible lock speed. They are needed, but you don't need more than 2 good inty pilots in a medium sized gang usually. Btw, you can't call the setup cookie cutter either, there are very few people who actually afford and fly a such setup. It's more an e-peen setup... like eXtas said a while ago "Crow is just to show off how fast you can get it..." You might disagree with my philosophy, but that's how I view ceptors these days... tbh, I kind do (disagree with your philosophy), as I still personally cling on to the glory days of inties - and I still fly mine that way, albeit my approach to inties is a little different. I use my interceptor as a dogfighter, though I can use the vaga, huginn, and getting the sleip within a week, the interceptor class will always hold that special niche for me as a ship that takes a lot of skill beyond just SP, and personally I kinda want to see a revival of inty combat, both inty vs inty, but also inties vs other. Besides, I find it a lot more fun to have an adrenaline pumping inty vs inty fight, compared to my vaga ganking some thorax, even if I do use my vaga more than my crow these days mainly because of the huge huge DPS and survivability difference. I call the setup mainly cookie cutter because there are a LOT of people out there that try to play the Faction-Crow ball-game without the isk needed, and thus try to compensate with triple-OD setups or triple-OD T2 MWD polycarb setup and failing the tackling miserably - and lets face it, its a whole different ballgame between a T2 triple-OD crow, and a properly fit gistii-snake crow. One is actually useful and can evade while still tackling, the other either dies horribly to another inty, and/or goes into cap-failure. Sure you can get a crow to hit 17km/s, I know I took my own joke nano-crow to about 14.8k solo on SiSi, but realistically speaking, something like that is kinda too expensive, and too fragile. Should you get unlucky and you get podded, thats about a 1-2bil investment down the drain, depending on LG/FG snakes. Not that my post really has a point, but I think showing off the T2 inty pilots these super-uber faction-fit 12km/s crow setups is giving people the wrong idea and wrong approach to inty flying, because nano setups only really shine at stupid speeds and still remain useful - but at that point you're gonna have to weigh the cost of implants and faction module. For the record though, I fly a std. missile Crow, but with a drastically different setup approach. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 18:22:48 To that I can just say, I haven't lost my snakeset in a year, and I've pvped plenty. I much prefer a speed fitted vagabond for tackling though. It goes almost as fast and has dual lse II hitpoints :P Granted it does crap damage, but if all you want is tackling, then it's generally a good idea. I see where you are coming from with 1v1 inty combat etc, but that's 2 years old... Nowadays it hardly happens anymore. If you tell someone you solo in inty these days, he'll think you're a weirdo most of the time :P Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Leon 026 on 28/04/2007 18:37:05 Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 28/04/2007 18:22:48 To that I can just say, I haven't lost my snakeset in a year, and I've pvped plenty. I much prefer a speed fitted vagabond for tackling though. It goes almost as fast and has dual lse II hitpoints :P Granted it does crap damage, but if all you want is tackling, then it's generally a good idea. I see where you are coming from with 1v1 inty combat etc, but that's 2 years old... Nowadays it hardly happens anymore. If you tell someone you solo in inty these days, he'll think you're a weirdo most of the time :P Crap damage... Not with Hail M it doesnt :P But even if its not Deimos-class DPS, its still waaaay higher than a ceptor's, so it makes the dual 180 ZoomZoomÖ vaga a really nasty skirmisher. I've only lost my snake set once in the years I've been using them, but meh, inty dogfighting may be 2 years old, and it may be old-school, but thats what makes it stylin' :P ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
BlackHawk177 Zer0 ToLeRaNcE Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Ryysa If you tell someone you solo in inty these days, he'll think you're a weirdo most of the time :P I just got called a wierdo
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.28 19:24:00 - [31] inty dog fighting aint dead _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Helpdesk Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.29 00:01:00 - [32] I agree with Leon (hi!). I often still solo in my (way too expensive) crow and see what I can take on. It often ends in me just moving out of disruptor range and warp off. The (what was it, third?) hitpoint-boost finally did solo inty roaming in. I'm really disappointed in this. My crow is nothing but an extremely expensive tackler these days. To me, soloing stuff in a rocketcrow is the most enjoyable form of PvP. Shame that it's just not viable anymore.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.29 00:06:00 - [33] Edited by: welsh wizard on 29/04/2007 00:03:54 Get over 7km/s and any further speed mods are a waste of slots when you could fit extra agility and/or cap. It also increases the difficulty of flying the thing. The only benefit it provides is for chasing down faster ships or being on warp in positions before they turn around. (imo) Ryysa, I'm assuming you have a mix of H/LG snakes for that speed...? It sure as hell isn't base...
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.29 00:38:00 - [34] Well i read all that and it seems interesting, but I still have questions... I got 5km/sec and have a 20km scrammer on and i guess ill take my webber off and stick a cap charger on there and test out what u guys are saying but i still wanna no, do u guys orbit at say 15km with a 20km scrammer?
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.29 00:47:00 - [35] At anything below a 5,500m/s orbit speed a 15km set orbit is fine (notice i said orbit speed). If you start to go faster you'll begin to bob out of disruptor range while tackling and enterprising quarry will make good their escape. Just practice orbiting with a station gun battery or something similar.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.29 01:13:00 - [36] The last crow I flow had this setting: - 3 * arby standard launcher - gisti mwd, warp disruptor t2, cap recharger t2 - 2 * t2 nano, t2 overdrive rigs: one speed and one mass reduction Gave me a speed of over 12km/s (in gang over 18km/s) with some snake implants. Fun, but kinda expensive when you lose it
FuzzBuzz Caldari Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.29 02:52:00 - [37] i get 5k out of mine, and i fit it cheaply since im a noob, im never gonna get snakes or use a gisti mwd, and those mass reduction rigs, i dont wanna spend 300m on a inty that can get popped like ballon
Atalius Vinelgo Caldari Belly Button Fluff SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.29 03:04:00 - [38] obviously you didnt read the guys post who said he hadnt died in his inty in about a year... i myself being a newb have ran into some pretty rough players and have also yet to die... so i believe when i get my skills higher i will spend plenty of money on my inty, its my favorite ship i love being the tackler, hes the key component, without a good tackler, youll get way less kills
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.29 04:20:00 - [39] Originally by: welsh wizard Ryysa, I'm assuming you have a mix of H/LG snakes for that speed...? It sure as hell isn't base... Aye. Originally by: Atalius Vinelgo obviously you didnt read the guys post who said he hadnt died in his inty in about a year... Well, I haven't flown inties a huge lot after getting my snakeset, been mostly vagabond/huginn. I lost one inty due to me warping to station and getting warped to POS instead (!) and one inty when I was in my +3 clone, not my snake clone though... I mean, don't get me wrong, inties pop incredibly fast, and I think before you spend lots of isk on a snakeset, consider using that isk to get a vagabond maybe, lots of fun. As for vagabond doing a lot of dps... err.. if you speed fit it (all lows with speed mods), then it does like 200 dps at 15km... And HAIL? who the hell uses hail on their vagabond, you should never be that close to your target, unless you /know/ he has no web, but in that case, phased plasma/emp is better idea vs shieldtanks (since probably only shieldtankers don't have web). Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Akashyi	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:40:00 - [40] Well Ive only just started using ceptors much, but Id just got my crusader and I love this thing. Dogfighting might be old, but it still happens a lot (for me anyway) and I think its damn cool... I find bob intys quite often or at least other ppl red to me
Elles D Caldari angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.03 16:32:00 - [41] crow with 3 t2 rocket launchers and jav's - does better dps than fury lights and gets a range of about 30k. You keep you tackling power and can dogfight; problem solved. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Nahno	Posted - 2007.08.03 17:02:00 - [42] Dont worry about crow DPS, its getting buffed. I swear it! Win
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.04 07:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Elles D crow with 3 t2 rocket launchers and jav's - does better dps than fury lights and gets a range of about 30k. You keep you tackling power and can dogfight; problem solved. How are you intending to dogfight at a range of 30km with a weapon system that only has a base explosion velocity of 500m/s ? ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Helpdesk Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:06:00 - [44] Edited by: Helpdesk on 04/08/2007 09:06:34 Link New and improved. Could use a Kaikka's BCS instead of the current CN one, but this already works out to 100dps without overloading, which is about as much as a random Amarr Battleship with lasers ;) There are a few other things that could be improved a little. TS web could be Domi, J5 disruptor can be replaced by the slightly less cap using Fleeting and I could replace a the remaining low-grade snakes for high-grades, plus I would be better off using 5% implants of all sorts (currently use 3% missile velocity + 3% RoF, plus some speed-implants). There is, unfortunately, no way to get two tech II damage rigs on a Crow. All in all, it stands a good chance against light missile crows due to it's decent speed, high armor, faction web and high damage. Other interceptors are generally easy kills (rail-ranis would be the thing I fear most, crusader won't do much due to high EM resists on the fat armor-buffer).
Aakron Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Helpdesk rocket crow But you're cap lasts barely a minute running that tackling gear, and you're throwing an expensive inty around into web range, I'd have thought you'd be in trouble with crusader and taranis pilots with that. ---
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:36:00 - [46] Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/08/2007 11:42:20 Practically the same speed as Ryysa (closer to 12km/s) but I don't have the sensor booster and my cap doesn't last aslong. Hell of alot cheaper though. 3 standard II's, salvager :P gist a-type, WD II, CR II PDU II, 2x OD II 2x polys I use LG snakes with no gamma or omega and the 3% rogues. Every skill that effects speed or cap on a Crow is at V. I don't need to go any faster, makes life more complicated. Only real advantage of it is pursuing fast stuff and getting on sniper spots before they've landed. Get your Crow to 8,500m/s with minimal cost, high agility and half decent cap recharge and you don't need anymore imo.
Helpdesk Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.04 22:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Aakron Originally by: Helpdesk rocket crow But you're cap lasts barely a minute running that tackling gear, and you're throwing an expensive inty around into web range, I'd have thought you'd be in trouble with crusader and taranis pilots with that. With all skills maxed this setup can run for quite a while, though not forever. I must admit I do have to turn off MWD or Disruptor when engaging a well-plated cruiser in a 1v1 (which is generally not that much of a problem, really). As far as Taranii and Crusaders go, they're generally not as well fitted as I am, plus often lack the skills (I have +- 5 skills or so to go before literally everything that affects my crow is maxed - naturally these are the 5 least important ones). You'll see most enemies surprised when you're not dead in a second after shields are gone (like all speedfitted Light-Missile Crows).
NAFnist Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.05 08:07:00 - [48] there are two good crow setups; (low skilled) 3x standard II 1x mwd 1x disruptor 1x small cap injector w 100 2x overdrives 1x pdu (maxed skilled) 3x arby 1x mwd 1x disruptor 1x cap recharger 2x overdrives 1x relay Low skilled version can run untill you run out of boosters, but thats a pretty long time, if you micromanage them. High skilled version needs maxed cap skills (also mwd reduction, scrambler reduction) but then it will sustain mwd and disruptor indeffinatly. -
Helpdesk Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.05 20:49:00 - [49] Originally by: NAFnist there are two good crow setups; Indeed, there are only two good setups for this ship. Don't let us catch you with anything else fitted.
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.05 21:52:00 - [50] My last crow set-up is: 3caldary navy standarts @ caldary navy missiles gistii a-type mwd, 'canyon' MSE, DB disruptor VIGOR MAPC, overdrive II, TS caprelay 2polycarbon rigs around 8900 without snakes, almost 11km with 5 LG implants. Almost 1800 shield, near 70 dps. Ofc it's a setup for solo flights, for gang I'm putting a cap booster.

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