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Lunarra
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:21:00 -
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Hi everyone,
How is it possible to fit a broadsword that can kill pods in epire during wars?
Yesterday i bought a Vigil (yes even old players enjoy some Vigil goodness). That ship wasn't fitted yet when i crossed the way of a war target Broadsword on the other side of a gate. I thought, good luck catching me and proceed to warp.
First surprise: He warp scrambled me, ok fair enough, he might be super sensor boosted, and being an empty Vigil i thought well who gives a damn, so proceeded to spam warp until i pop so i can save my pod.
Second surprise: While i was spamming warp since he got me my pod should have been able to escape. Particulary in empire since there are no bubbles etc. Well no!!!!!! As soon as i popped my pod was locked!!!!!!!
I want to know how is that possible. Also, looking at my killer KB i can see that guy is the pro of empire pod killing, pretty much all his victime got pod killed in empire. If you wanna look for his name: Bulletproof Cupid
Thanks for your help! |
Alina Wize
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:28:00 -
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Being a member of The 0rphanage automatically grants you a non-penalized scan resolution bonus. |
Lunarra
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:32:00 -
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Can i join them?! I want that thing! |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:41:00 -
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If you have war against certain high sec corps/alliances it really means that high sec is no more safe place to move. |
Lunarra
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:48:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:If you have war against certain high sec corps/alliances it really means that high sec is no more safe place to move. I got that, I played since 2006 in 0.0 and empire but thanks for the advice!
I just want to know how someone with a broadsword can insta lock pods! |
Milo Caman
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.12.28 10:59:00 -
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Yeah, if HICs/Lokis/Whatevers fit enough SeBos and there's not much lag, they can indeed lock pods before they warp. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:02:00 -
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Probably had a whole bunch of Remote Sensor Boosters coming from a Neutral Alt on him. You can get lock time down too about 1.4 seconds on a Broadsword if you poor on the Rebo's |
Lunarra
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:03:00 -
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Milo Caman wrote:Yeah, if HICs/Lokis/Whatevers fit enough SeBos and there's not much lag, they can indeed lock pods before they warp.
Alara IonStorm wrote:Probably had a whole bunch of Remote Sensor Boosters on him. You can get lock time down too about 1.4 seconds on a Broadsword if you poor on the Rebo's
Even if we've been spamming warp before the ship destruction? I never had any issues with this well known pod saving tactic in 6 years of game. I thought that was making pod warp pretty much instant after destruction. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:05:00 -
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There was a thread over this pod not warping instantly earlier. Some said those commands spammed cause the server to lag out and wont happen as fast as you had hoped or something. Maybe you can go back and find it. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:52:00 -
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Well ... works as intended.
People who believe that their pods are safe, just because they spam a button ...
... well ... too bad, you're wrong.
Around 1700-2000 scanres should be enough to instalock, especially if he has a good connection.
I'm also pretty glad that it's not possible anymore to just spam a button to get the pod out ... it shouldn't be that easy anyway.
That said ... too bad .. hope you had implants! :) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:54:00 -
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ITT: delicious veteran tears =D
TL;DR Broadys with mass sebo > pods regardless of button spam
o7 Have a nice day |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:55:00 -
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from my experience it's working as intended, even if your gamelogs and screenshots will show you as in warp and sometimes tens of AU away when your pod goes pop, it cannot be verified on the server side. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +”slenska f+ķlkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Necrovian
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:58:00 -
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"unable to warp as interferance from bulletproof cupids warp disruptor produces tears"
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Miyahon
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:59:00 -
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This is a relatively new thing I have experienced and wonder if there has been a small change somewhere, unannounced by CCP. It's probably working as intended, as it has been for a while, but just takes the right circumstances to occur. A nice fast locking ship, perhaps a bit of lag somewhere, goodbye pod. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
1303
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:03:00 -
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Monkey bubbles!!
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Man Milk
Sexy. Time. The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.12.29 03:56:00 -
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No remote sensor boosting alts. You have any idea how many pods/cloakies are targeted with no more than a muttering of "arse" "almost" or "poop"? Every now and again a get tha jackpot. There's no magic. It's 50/50, ya get tha lock, ya don't get tha lock. It's all fun tho, only a game, for every kill there's a load more ya miss. Hi 5's for taking it in ya stride and not rage quiting. Hopefully see ya around with some nice loots for Sexy. Time. to scoop up. :) |
Joz Yavavich
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Probably had a whole bunch of Remote Sensor Boosters coming from a Neutral Alt on him. You can get lock time down too about 1.4 seconds on a Broadsword if you poor on the Rebo's
When a warp field disruptor is active, no remote effects will work on the HIC.
No remote reps, no cap transfer, no shield transfer nothing.
This includes a scripted infinity point.
He had a rack of local sebo's. |
Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:11:00 -
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Man Milk wrote:No remote sensor boosting alts. You have any idea how many pods/cloakies are targeted with no more than a muttering of "arse" "almost" or "poop"? Every now and again a get tha jackpot. There's no magic. It's 50/50, ya get tha lock, ya don't get tha lock. It's all fun tho, only a game, for every kill there's a load more ya miss. Hi 5's for taking it in ya stride and not rage quiting. Hopefully see ya around with some nice loots for Sexy. Time. to scoop up. :)
Sigh...
I can't imagine people still buying the whole no neut rr, no remote sebo, no command bonus bul*sh*t. I mean, everyone who is anyone does it these days, it is not just a "privateers in Jita thing" anymore. It is a game mechanic and CCP has no problem with it, so accept the fact that people know that you do it and be a happier orphan.
I do it too. See how easy that was? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:21:00 -
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unfourtunately I dont own one of these marvelous ships nor have the skills to fly one or I be able to test it out for you. I am pertty sure I can reproduce it since Im only like a month away from completing electronics.
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Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:23:00 -
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Joz Yavavich wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Probably had a whole bunch of Remote Sensor Boosters coming from a Neutral Alt on him. You can get lock time down too about 1.4 seconds on a Broadsword if you poor on the Rebo's When a warp field disruptor is active, no remote effects will work on the HIC. No remote reps, no cap transfer, no shield transfer nothing. This includes a scripted infinity point. He had a rack of local sebo's.
Except, and do correct me if I'm wrong, but... don't you activate that infinity point after you've acquired lock? |
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Man Milk
Sexy. Time. The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:28:00 -
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Well, did tha person writing ths post see any fancy pretty lights or anyone else flashing red on screen? I'm guessing not but you'll have to ask them. So cynical.. :( |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:35:00 -
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Did you know that spamming the warp button actually tends to prevent you from warping off?
Tip: don't press warp more than once a second. |
Man Milk
Sexy. Time. The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:42:00 -
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Or don't spam warp at all. Autopilot is the best form of transport during a hi sec war dec. And make sure you don't rename your ship. It's the best way to scare off any would be aggressors... ;D |
Lunarra
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:54:00 -
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Man Milk wrote:No remote sensor boosting alts. You have any idea how many pods/cloakies are targeted with no more than a muttering of "arse" "almost" or "poop"? Every now and again a get tha jackpot. There's no magic. It's 50/50, ya get tha lock, ya don't get tha lock. It's all fun tho, only a game, for every kill there's a load more ya miss. Hi 5's for taking it in ya stride and not rage quiting. Hopefully see ya around with some nice loots for Sexy. Time. to scoop up. :)
Hope to see you around too for some revenge :)
For those who apparently didn't get it, there wasn't a bubble up since it was in empire :)
For other, sorry but no, didn't have any implants :p
For the last ones, no tears here, just wanted to know how it was possible and I got my answer!
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Man Milk
Sexy. Time. The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:15:00 -
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Being in a fleet with fleet boosting leadership skill trained to level 5 also gives a nice bonus to fleet scan resolution by the way. Not giving away secrets, it's just a deep game with much to learn so if this helps players old or new it's all good. High 5's for Eve, she's a ***** but we all keep coming back for more! :D |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:42:00 -
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From an empty ship the OP should have ejected.
I recall a post from way back where somebody described everything in this game as happening down to a time unit if one second. So if it take you a second to go into warp an an opponent a second to lock you, it's roughly a 50/50 thing if not reliant on who clicked what first.
That post was in a thread started by someone who lost a Tech 3 ship to being instalocked at a gate. So even a Tech 3 can be caught with a sensor-boosting arrangement.
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:43:00 -
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From experience, a HIC pilot from the UK can point a pod or a frigate before it even appears on his Australian corpmates' screens. Post with your monkey. |
Taipion
Los Primitivos United Pod Service
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:12:00 -
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Lunarra wrote:Milo Caman wrote:Yeah, if HICs/Lokis/Whatevers fit enough SeBos and there's not much lag, they can indeed lock pods before they warp. Alara IonStorm wrote:Probably had a whole bunch of Remote Sensor Boosters on him. You can get lock time down too about 1.4 seconds on a Broadsword if you poor on the Rebo's Even if we've been spamming warp before the ship destruction? I never had any issues with this well known pod saving tactic in 6 years of game. I thought that was making pod warp pretty much instant after destruction. me neither, except once there was that bunch of intis on my ass, and a little lagg...
Ok, to clear this up, maybe soneone from CCP can confirm or disclaim this:
Order of things happening:
1.) Ships explodes 2.) Pod spawns
3.) Server notifies Pod-owner and aggressor simultaniously that there is now a pod and no ship (delay equals Ping of the respective player)
4.a.) Pod-owner klicks "warp" (has been klicking frenetically at least twice a second all along) 4.b.) Aggressor klicks the Pod ( to lock and then point in the moment the lock is active) (delay equals each pilots individual reaction time)
5.a.) Pod-owner sends "i do wanna warp" to the server 5.b.) Aggressor sends "i do wann lockit" to the server (delay equals Ping of the respective player, again)
6.) Server processes "warp" and "lock" requests according to the times of when the information was recieved, not sent
(assuming Pod warps instant = 0,0 seconds)
=> Real Lock Time = ( Lock Time - (Your Ping - Enemy Ping) * 2 - (Your Reaction Time - Enemy Reaction Time) ) => to survive, Lock Time - ( Your Ping - EnemyPing) * 2 - (Your Reaction Time - Enemy Reaction Time) ) must be above zero :D
Assuming you click "warp" twice a second, Your average reaction time would be 0,25 Seconds. Assuming the Enemy has insane Luck and/or insame Skills, we just assume 0,1 Seconds here. Lets further assume therese a slight, but not really noticable lagg on you side, we assume 150 ms = 0,15 Seconds here. For the Enemy we assume a standard connection with a Ping of just about 50 ms = 0,05 Seconds.
(Pod warps instant = 0) 0 > Lock Time - (0,15 - 0,05) * 2 - (0,25 - 0,1) <=> Lock Time < 0,35 => Lock Time needs to be below 0,35 seconds to get the Pod.
Now that 0,1 seconds is acutally no realistic reaction time, more accurate would be 0,3 but lets just say 0,2 (=1/5) and, You might klickt faster than twice a second, lets say every 2/5 seconds, for some simple numbers. (average reaction time would be 1/5 seconds then) Lets see how the Ping plays out in this case.
Then:
0 > Lock Time - (YourPing - EnemyPing) * 2 - (0,2 - 0,2) <=> Lock Time < (Your Ping - Enemy Ping)*2 <=> Your Ping > (Lock Time)/2 + Enemy Ping
This means, your Ping must be at least as high as Your enemys plus half his locktime, would be something between 500 and 2000 in most cases.
And one usually has a ping below 500, so therefore the Pod is safe. And as well, this proves: Lagg Kills! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1074
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:30:00 -
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Don't forget, the overview now updates more quickly than it used to.
Likely a contributing factor.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Taipion
Los Primitivos United Pod Service
55
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Don't forget, the overview now updates more quickly than it used to. Likely a contributing factor. apllied equally on both sides => 1-1=0 => does not matter |
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